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So...RE: Revolution specs/visuals etc
- Thread starter Ned Flanders
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Know what.... I'm is so sick of this IT'S not HD bull crap....
Cuz i honestly cant hardly tell the difference... On my 360... I have to go to the dashboard to make sure if it's running in 1080i or not... cuz i cant really tell the difference... It's a little sharper... but that's about it...
And guess what... WHen i watch tv on my old SD television... guess what... It still looks real.... So dont tell me games cant improve anymore on SD tv's... cuz they dont look real on sd's yet...
Cuz i honestly cant hardly tell the difference... On my 360... I have to go to the dashboard to make sure if it's running in 1080i or not... cuz i cant really tell the difference... It's a little sharper... but that's about it...
And guess what... WHen i watch tv on my old SD television... guess what... It still looks real.... So dont tell me games cant improve anymore on SD tv's... cuz they dont look real on sd's yet...
FallenOne666
Banned
TRU said:
So... they somehow... look... real right now... to you... on... your SD... tv, but... they... still... don't also? Huh?!
ellipses are fun!
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
hey so lets not forget we finally have solid confirmatioon and proof that the Rev actually has heat vents, so...!
yea, there ya go. vents = better right? right.... heh
yea, there ya go. vents = better right? right.... heh
The Bookerman
Member
Nightbringer said:
Fixed The Nintendo 64.
You're absolutely right!TRU said:
There are *far* more important things to be improved upon, before just mere resolution.
The only reason it is touted as much as it is, is because it is an easy and straight forward thing to do. Trouble is it takes bandwidth, shaderpower and RAM away from more important things, like textures, geometry and AA.
The system's downfall will be its limited ram. Although Nintendo will say they want to encourage unique software and the ram is sufficient for that, a lot of developers are going to skimp out of ports because of the effort required to alter a game that utilises 512mb of ram to become one that is limited to 100mb or so. People will say that it would be better if the developer made something unique for the platform, but not many but once revolution starts missing out on all these ports, its going to be the same old story as this generation.
Xrenity said:
I think if the console had a new(never used for video game consoles) way of displaying visuals, the cat would of been out of the bag already. There's no way someone could keep a secret that big unless they signed a piece of paper that says if they blab they'll lose their kneecaps as punishment. :lol
They can certainly "afford" a high end loss taker... they're just not interested. GameCube sort of flopped in that regard, no need to play third fiddle again. Revolution shows a much more insightful Nintendo in action.bengraven said:
Nothing about Revolution really screams "toy" so far either I'd say. Again, it seems Nintendo learned their lesson with GameCube.
DefectiveReject
Banned
Can we ban all Revolution topics until GDC now, unless something is solid ??
We know now that we are not gonna get anything until Iwata shows it. Its his own baby and he will be the one who gives us the low down, so until GDC can we cut the crap and speculative threads, and try and concentrate on finding real news about other things?
We know now that we are not gonna get anything until Iwata shows it. Its his own baby and he will be the one who gives us the low down, so until GDC can we cut the crap and speculative threads, and try and concentrate on finding real news about other things?
Nightbringer said:
pretty much.
PS1 is 1993-1994 tech
N64 is 1994-1995 tech
3Dfx Voodoo is also 1994-1995 tech (it was shown in 1995 as was Ultra 64/N64)
I hold out some hope that Revolution will be the same leap over Gamecube that SNES was over NES or that Gamecube was over N64. but maybe not.
Amir0x said:
So because I dont think my HD is the END all of gaming and everything else plus some... I'm blind... Come on...
It's clear that Hd's are better then a normal SD tv... I already own a 50" samsong HD tv.. off course it's the future...
BUT. Games and graphics still have a LOT to improve upon. And honestly, i rather have developers putting the system resources to making the games actually look better... they having they try to push less stuff at higher resolution..
TRU said:
Ok so you acknowledge HD is better than SD, yet you said you can "hardly tell the difference." You say games have a lot to improve upon, but you're arguing for keeping it at SD so devs don't have to worry about using extra power for HD?
Yes, you're blind because there is a huge difference between things in HD, and things in SD. So if you're going around like "uh, who cares man... not a big deal", then it's hard to take you seriously. Without any doubt, all next-gen systems should be in HD.
Cheebs said:
Thats a very good point actually, Nintendo have been throwing out curveballs recently, distracting everyone with one announcement and then blindsiding everyone with another. Announcing the DS then later on mentioning the touch screen, teasing us with info about the controller and then revealing the waggle wand. NOE stating they had no plans for a revised DS then the lite making an appearance, what, 1 week later?
OK so the DS lite wasn't that much of a shock announcement, but Nintendo does have a way of surpsing everyone
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Clearly from 640x480 to 1920x1080 or 1280x720 is going to involve some uneven scaling. Would having some weird resolution modes like 640x540 (x3 width and x2 height for 1920x1080), or even something slightly lower like 640x360 (x2 width and height for 1280x720) work better for some sets?Juice said:
What you call a contradiction, I just see as a different vague comparison made by a different person. If I see some new machine and say "It's about twice as big as the DS", and someone else says "It's about twice as big as the PSP", it doesn't mean there's some crazy inconsistency going on.Nightbringer said:
Amir0x said:
hehe... whatever man.. lol I really dont care if you take me seriously or not.. I was just throwing in my opinion... Cuz honestly, i'm a graphics whore... I want the animation, the lighting, the texturing, the modelling and EVERYTHING to be perfect..
And to me, having anything coming out any time soon only shows it's imperfections more when it's in HD. I rather they make it look better in SD first... Then push it into HD next generation... But i see where your coming from also... And i'm not saying your opinion is wrong...
But this is just my little opinion, as a 3d artist/animator.
TRU said:
in the real world you are 100% right!
in the Gaf world these guys are going to argue with you till you get so fed up you just stop writing back.
they have to do it, it's GAF and if those selct few don't have something to cling to , so they can bitch and moan then thier entire little world will implode around them.
:lol :lol :lol
The Bookerman said:
Well Pentium MMX introduced basically the same thing as those simple vector units in the N64 if the N64 vector units are very simple. Couldnt the N64 vector units only do the operations on two integers at the same time, and both had to be integers? That is exactly what the first MMX was. Correct me if I am wrong, I dont know much about the N64 at all..
Newzboyz99
Losers! My wife has me on lock!
I'm as big of a N fan as anyone on this board but I have to say that if it truly is only GCx2 then the damn thing better be fuc*king $99 bucks at launch. Anything other than that is just totally ridiculous imo. It will be an entire year behind 360 and possibly be less powerful...not acceptable.
Interactivity wise how do you know that the Revolution won't be years ahead of the PS3/360. Edge have already called the 360 controller archaic in comparison to the revmote.
Power doesn't mean shit to me, I want to get that feeling again like when I played Mario 64 for the first time, playing something I had literally never experienced before. The revmote looks like it is capable of taking game control to a whole other level. That more then makes up for the fact it can't push as many polygons or display in a higher resolution.
Why do you play games in the first place? To LOOK at them, or to CONTROL them?
Power doesn't mean shit to me, I want to get that feeling again like when I played Mario 64 for the first time, playing something I had literally never experienced before. The revmote looks like it is capable of taking game control to a whole other level. That more then makes up for the fact it can't push as many polygons or display in a higher resolution.
Why do you play games in the first place? To LOOK at them, or to CONTROL them?
Newzboyz99
Losers! My wife has me on lock!
I just don't understand how it can be THAT hard to have a system of 360's power a year after that system launches combined with that controller...unless, like I said, its 99 bucks at launch.
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
Mr Gump said:
:lol :lol :lol
Nintendo want to make a small, quiet and cheap console. So its pretty much the opposite of a 360. $99 sounds way to cheap for it to be profitable, i'm guessing it will be around the 199 mark - there is still stuff we dont know about the console and the technology it uses so talking about what its worth doesn't really make sense right now.
Nintendo probably could have made the Rev as powerful as a 360, but why would they waste their money doing so? The PS2 has already proven that having the most powerful hardware isnt the most important thing.
Nintendo probably could have made the Rev as powerful as a 360, but why would they waste their money doing so? The PS2 has already proven that having the most powerful hardware isnt the most important thing.
PhoenixDark
Banned
TRU said:
"HD, SD, color TV, black and white - it's all the same"
Would the high RAM requirements be due to big-ass textures etc. required for HD? Actual game code pales in size to the game assets, and as the Revolution doesn't need to deal with resolutions of 1280x720 or 1920x1080 or whatever it is, but instead a mere 640x480ish, then perhaps 128MB of RAM is infact all that is really needed.Mr Gump said:
One only needs to look to the steadily increasing RAM in Video Cards to notice a correllation.
edit: And lets be honest, downsampling higher resolution textures and models can be done so easily it's not funny. So lots of effort? I wouldn't think so. Not with the sheer amount of middleware available.
And while I remember, I hope the Rev has one of those PhysX chips on it. That would kick ass.
Everybody is shitting on Nintendo 'cos of this lack of HD thing. To me, these same people should be whining about X-BOX 360 'cos it proclaims to be a "HD-era" console without the fullest HD resolution (1080p), without a HD format (HD-DVD strap-on only works for movies, not games), didn't even come with a HD cable and launched with some of the lead titles not even being truly HD. The hypocricy is almost sickenning.
You guys aren't dogging Nintendo 'cos you think it really matters...you're complaining JUST for the sake of complaining.
Like WindyMan said, there's more to the future than HD and Nintendo is going with something other than the promice of the "HD era". Instead of bitching about something that YOU can't/won't change you should just come to terms and compliment Nintendo's efforts with the new interface as their future. If you truly worried about "the future" of games so badly why aren't you equally bitching about Sony & MS's ~LACK~ of controller interface changes/innovations?
"Because I don't want things to change"
That's the heart of it...FEAR!
You guys aren't dogging Nintendo 'cos you think it really matters...you're complaining JUST for the sake of complaining.
Like WindyMan said, there's more to the future than HD and Nintendo is going with something other than the promice of the "HD era". Instead of bitching about something that YOU can't/won't change you should just come to terms and compliment Nintendo's efforts with the new interface as their future. If you truly worried about "the future" of games so badly why aren't you equally bitching about Sony & MS's ~LACK~ of controller interface changes/innovations?
"Because I don't want things to change"
That's the heart of it...FEAR!
JoshuaJSlone
Member
There's a shitload of maneuvering space between 99 and 299/399.Newzboyz99 said:
DrGAKMAN said:
Wow, people actually buy into Sony's PR bullshit? 720p and 1080i are no less HD than 1080p. By all NTSC standards, 1080p isn't really HD (For TV broadcasting).
Just because Sony says 1080p is "true" HD doesn't mean it's true. Plus, if you're expecting all PS3 games to be 1080P, well.. . :lol
Next gen DVD's aren't here yet. 360 is. Nobody who has HDTVs cares, since they know damn well built in extra media players ahve always been garbage, and as high end equipment owners, won't hamper their multi-thousand dollar set-ups by not getting a decent stand-alone player. On the converse, joe-six pack could care less. And, component is just as "HD" as HDMI or DVI, it's just analog and not a pure digital signal.
Some = 1.
*yawn*
All the fanboys clinging to the hope that the Revolution is still going to be some uber-powerful beast are in for some serious disappointment. It's not happening, it flies in face of EVERYTHING we know about the machine.
Don't be too disappointed though, after all the most powerful machine has only ever won a generation once in the history of videogames, and that was the SNES, and even then only just.
Don't be too disappointed though, after all the most powerful machine has only ever won a generation once in the history of videogames, and that was the SNES, and even then only just.
Hypocrisy?
All I've read about MS over the past 9 months is "They're rushing it.", "They rushed it.", "Launch disaster, why couldn't MS have waited and given us a true next-generation system?"
MS had a legitimate reason (in their minds) for not going with an HD format. What the Xbox 360 does however is provide truly next-generation graphics and games that are compatible with high-definition television sets.
Nintendo has the benefit of observing Microsoft's successes and blunders, then modifying the Revolution in any way the company saw fit. No one's scrutinizing them because of their market share potential (as with MS), so the company can do whatever it wants.
Their decision? Forego the opportunity to add a strong foundation of visual technology to their innovative control schemes.
All I've read about MS over the past 9 months is "They're rushing it.", "They rushed it.", "Launch disaster, why couldn't MS have waited and given us a true next-generation system?"
MS had a legitimate reason (in their minds) for not going with an HD format. What the Xbox 360 does however is provide truly next-generation graphics and games that are compatible with high-definition television sets.
Nintendo has the benefit of observing Microsoft's successes and blunders, then modifying the Revolution in any way the company saw fit. No one's scrutinizing them because of their market share potential (as with MS), so the company can do whatever it wants.
Their decision? Forego the opportunity to add a strong foundation of visual technology to their innovative control schemes.
SnakeXs said:
Instead of focussing on my loose examples, you should look at my overall point. It's not that I believe that PR garbage about the "HD era"...I'm just saying, in general, people should be whining about X-BOX 360's lack of faith in "HD era" in comparison to PS3, especially after MS so boldly proclaimed the future was HD. Likewise, people should be complaining just as much about PS3/X360's lack of controller innovation going by this "let's piss'moan'complain about something we can't change" mantra.
DrGAKMAN said:
I for one didn't ask for controller innovation. I'm just fine with the Xbox 360 controller and PS3 controller as they are.
If Revolution pulls of some kind of miracle, hey good for Nintendo. Maybe I will enjoy it. If it turns out like crap then I don't have to buy it and I still have two other consoles to look at. HD on the other hand I know I like and I know I want in my movies and gaming.
DrGAKMAN said:
I would agree with this. If they had launched a year later I would bet anything that HD-DVD would have been the standard drive.
MS does get flack for lack HD movie playback. Will be even more apparent when the HD-DVD add on hits. Sony/MS doesn't get criticized for lack of something new/innovative with their controllers because why should they? Nintendo's controller is unproved, don't confuse N-fan hopes and dreams with reality, you put the cart before the horse. So far the 360 controller has some new features that are pretty cool for a standard controller. Ring of light on controller, on/off switch, a standard wireless controller with premium pack, plug and play pack. And to my knowledge no has even used a final PS3 controller yet so no judgment calls can be made there for now.
Polari said:
Where is it that I (or any other level-headed Nintendo fan) cling to this "hope" of Revolution being powerful? We know Nintendo wants cheap, we know Nintendo wants small, we know there's not gonna be HD...that pretty much instantly tells us it's not going to be as powerful.
Speevy said:
They did rush it. And that was most likely the reason there was no HD-DVD included...not 'cos they had a legitimate reason.
But that doesn't really matter...I was just saying that Nintendo get's alot of bad press 'cos of this lack of HD thing and I'm wondering why MS *also* doesn't get bad press for half-hearted HD and (more my point) why Sony/MS haven't been criticized for their lack of doing something new/innovative with their controller interfaces.
I couldn't think of a great answer to your question.
MS and Sony haven't been criticized for not doing anything with their control interfaces because no one cares.
Both have a console. Each has games, online, and media capabilities.
Will unconventional control schemes really make an impact when there are 10x as many games on another console?
Keep in mind that among those games will be titles like Guitar Hero, Katamari Damacy, and Gitaroo Man.
Those are non-traditional games, right? So why criticize Sony or MS for not pushing the boundaries of control and gameplay when developers are every bit as capable of creating innovation on their console.
And with more developers and a larger userbase, unique and interesting titles are just as likely to appear on the PS3 or Xbox 360.
MS and Sony haven't been criticized for not doing anything with their control interfaces because no one cares.
Both have a console. Each has games, online, and media capabilities.
Will unconventional control schemes really make an impact when there are 10x as many games on another console?
Keep in mind that among those games will be titles like Guitar Hero, Katamari Damacy, and Gitaroo Man.
Those are non-traditional games, right? So why criticize Sony or MS for not pushing the boundaries of control and gameplay when developers are every bit as capable of creating innovation on their console.
And with more developers and a larger userbase, unique and interesting titles are just as likely to appear on the PS3 or Xbox 360.