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[Whitman's Ghost]

How is raising an animal to eventually slaughter/eat it ever humane? Either you are a straight vegetarian or you can't complain about shit like this. Sure grass fed free range meat tastes better but you are still killing the thing and eating the meat off it's bones.

I'm more of a grass fed fan at like 85/15 to be honest. I just prefer it as this point. Most of it made well but some of it is not quite up to par for sure at certain seasons. I don't mind cornfed. I do feel better the thing didn't have to live in total filth at least. But it's not always a truth and yes the thing still meets its end.

 

[nico1982]

To be perfectly honest, I really think "It's DOGS!" take a much higher precedence than "The way they are killed" for many doing this protest.

Which is perfectly reasonable as well, unless we ignore the last 40K years of human history.

After becoming the first domesticated animal, we hunted together, we played together, we fought wars together. We basically evolved together. This had some tangible effects like an unmatched capacity to understand each other. We naturally feel a dog anger, pain, happiness or fear not because they are cute, fluffy creatures, but because it has become instrumental to our survival, both as species and as individual. I'm sure someone had his children play with a pig (a very intelligent animal) or with chickens, but we don't employ police-pigs, guide-chickens or rescue-cows.

It is normal for people to get upset when dogs are considered mere food. Exactly because they are dog

 

[Whitman's Ghost]

This boils down to an entirely philosphical question, I feel: Is the very act of killing an animal inhumane?

If you feel that is is then of course there won't ever be a humane fashion to kill an animal.

I don't think the act of killing an animal itself is inhumane all by itself, so in this context I'd define a humane fashion of killing an animal as "a way to kill the animal with the least amount of pain possible", in the best case the animal isn't even aware that it's being killed. In this context I think flooding the room with Nitrogen gas is pretty damn humane. Not painful at all, the animals just go to sleep and don't wake up again, at no point feeling anything.

You are scaring me of reptilians bro. We are doomed.

 

[KHlover]

You are scaring me of reptilians bro.

What tells you I'm not already a reptilian though? Maybe I killed my host in this exact way and just don't know it because all I remember is falling asleep and then waking up since the memories of my host overwrote mine after I took his body?

If that's the case, maybe we're ALL reptilians who don't remember it

 

[Whitman's Ghost]

What tells you I'm not already a reptilian though? Maybe I killed my host in this exact way and just don't know it because all I remember is falling asleep and then waking up since the memories of my host overwrote mine after I took his body?

If that's the case, maybe we're ALL reptilians who don't remember it

Banned.

 

[teruterubozu]

Which is perfectly reasonable as well, unless we ignore the last 40K years of human history.

After becoming the first domesticated animal, we hunted together, we played together, we fought wars together. We basically evolved together. This had some tangible effects like an unmatched capacity to understand each other. We naturally feel a dog anger, pain, happiness or fear not because they are cute, fluffy creatures, but because it has become instrumental to our survival, both as species and as individual. I'm sure someone had his children play with a pig (a very intelligent animal) or with chickens, but we don't employ police-pigs, guide-chickens or rescue-cows.

It is normal for people to get upset when dogs are considered mere food. Exactly because they are dog

In modern western culture, sure. Plenty of other cultures viewed dogs as food, as well as pets throughout 40K years of human history though.

 

[Whitman's Ghost]

In modern western culture, sure. Plenty of other cultures viewed dogs as food, as well as pets throughout 40K years of human history though.

It seems more and more to me that human evolution has little to do with culture on the whole, whatever that means.

 

[Daweex]

The ''it's a different culture'' argument used in this thread is funny and ironic considering how people here condemn the Netherlands for their Zwarte Piet tradition.
Dat hypocrisy.

 

[Apt101]

It's OK to find something another culture does cruel, harmful to the environment, etc, and ask them to stop, without it being a "cultural issue". Many want the Japanese to stop killing whales, or people in Costa Rica to stop chopping off shark fins, or people in China to stop purchasing pieces of endangered species for folk remedies. I can get behind trying to stop a large group of people from eating dogs. This isn't being insensitive to their culture. It has nothing to do with "their culture".

 

[teruterubozu]

The ''it's a different culture'' argument used in this thread is funny and ironic considering how people here condemn the Netherlands for their Zwarte Piet tradition.
Dat hypocrisy.

I never even heard of Zwart PEt or whatever. Stop generalizing.

 

[plasmawave]

The ''it's a different culture'' argument used in this thread is funny and ironic considering how people here condemn the Netherlands for their Zwarte Piet tradition.
Dat hypocrisy.

How do you know they are the same people?

 

[Derwind]

It's OK to find something another culture does cruel, harmful to the environment, etc, and ask them to stop, without it being a "cultural issue". Many want the Japanese to stop killing whales, or people in Costa Rica to stop chopping off shark fins, or people in China to stop purchasing pieces of endangered species for folk remedies. I can get behind trying to stop a large group of people from eating dogs. This isn't being insensitive to their culture. It has nothing to do with "their culture".

The other examples you provided have mostly to due with the fact that the practices are not sustainable and making the animals in question endanger or threatened.

Simply eating dog meat doesn't do that.

The outrage should rightfully be focused on the fact that the dogs been slaughtered are stolen property and they're being cruelly treated.

 

[Sword Familiar]

How do you know they are the same people?

Because GAF is a person, obviously.

 

[dreamcastmaster]

So do we have any proof of these dogs for this festival being skinned alive? Doesn't seem very practical.

No, it's the protesters over egging the pudding. Very hard to get citation that what they claim is common practice actually happens all the way in China.

 

[teruterubozu]

The other examples you provided have mostly to due with the fact that the practices are not sustainable and making the animals in question endanger or threatened.

Simply eating dog meat doesn't do that.

The outrage should rightfully be focused on the fact that the dogs been slaughtered are stolen property and they're being cruelly treated.

This is true, although our own consumer-based pet culture isn't all that great either. Lots of abandoned dogs getting gassed everyday and kept in deplorable shelter conditions.

 

[Dilly]

How do you know they are the same people?

Regardless, claiming we can't protest aspects of a different culture is a very slippery slope.

 

[linsivvi]

Eating dogs is monstrous behavior. People will excuse anything in the name of multiculturalism.

It's not multiculturalism. They aren't doing it in your country.

 

[Timbuktu]

People in the west can say what they want, but any pressure to stop this festival would be from within China as more middle class city dwellers have pet dogs.

 

[Derwind]

This is true, although our own consumer-based pet culture isn't all that great either. Lots of abandoned dogs getting gassed everyday and kept in deplorable shelter conditions.

I agree with that, I just mean I can understand why people would feel that is something that should be addressed. Which I can also agree with.

 

[Busaiku]

The ''it's a different culture'' argument used in this thread is funny and ironic considering how people here condemn the Netherlands for their Zwarte Piet tradition.
Dat hypocrisy.

Eating dogs and resoecting people aren't the same thing.

 

[richiek]

I can't wait until cloning animal tissue for meat becomes a reality.

 

[Moff]

The ''it's a different culture'' argument used in this thread is funny and ironic considering how people here condemn the Netherlands for their Zwarte Piet tradition.
Dat hypocrisy.

I couldn't care less about zwarte pie, but I still don't think that's the same thing.
this is not about excusing every cruelty of other cultutes because it has tradition.

for instance, I don't welcome traditional bullfights in spain either but I think it's fine for the chinese to eat their dogs.

in my culture we don't kill animals live on stage to entertain the masses, so I don't think it's cool for spain to do that.
zwarte pie is similiar, we don't make fun of the ethnic and racial background of other people, so it's ok if we think it's not cool for the netherlands to do that with zwarte pie.

in china they eat dogs, but I have a very hard time pointing a finger at them when we eat all kinds of animals.

I hope you see the difference and that this has nothing to do with apolozizing for a cruelty just because it's different cultute, it's about poiting a finger although we are not one bit better. that's hipocrisy.

 

[Chuckie]

For people who think this is just about eating dog.

Type in Yulin in Google Images.

 

[Sword Familiar]

I can't wait until cloning animal tissue for meat becomes a reality.

"Cloning", or just growing meat would be ideal if we can somehow drive the costs down. We could even start eating lab grown human meat if we so wanted. I'm sure the quality of the meat could potentially be much better as well. This or replicators, whichever comes first.

 

[AGoodODST]

The ''it's a different culture'' argument used in this thread is funny and ironic considering how people here condemn the Netherlands for their Zwarte Piet tradition.
Dat hypocrisy.

Are you seriously comparing the eating of a dog, an animal and perfectly viable food source, to a racial issue?

 

[Derwind]

Are you seriously comparing the eating of a dog, an animal and perfectly viable food source, to a racial issue?

Eating an animal = Blackface entertaining a rich history of Dutch Colonialism in Africa.

Didn't you read the memo?

 

[Dawg]

People in this thread who are OK with dogs being stolen, tortured and eaten are fucking disgusting, mang.

I have no respect for any of you. Doesn't matter what your reasoning behind it is.

 

[Chichikov]

Which is perfectly reasonable as well, unless we ignore the last 40K years of human history.

After becoming the first domesticated animal, we hunted together, we played together, we fought wars together. We basically evolved together. This had some tangible effects like an unmatched capacity to understand each other. We naturally feel a dog anger, pain, happiness or fear not because they are cute, fluffy creatures, but because it has become instrumental to our survival, both as species and as individual. I'm sure someone had his children play with a pig (a very intelligent animal) or with chickens, but we don't employ police-pigs, guide-chickens or rescue-cows.

It is normal for people to get upset when dogs are considered mere food. Exactly because they are dog

You also ignored that we ate dogs, throughout history, everywhere.
There is a very simple reason why dog is not staple meat, and it has nothing to do with our special evolutionary bonds or whatever (that again, exists with other domesticated animals as well) - it's just that dogs are carnivores, and carnivores are very inefficient sources of meat. But throughout history, whenever there was even a hint of food shortage, humans turned on dogs, pretty much everywhere, including Europe, including the US, as late as the 20th century.

I'm not saying that's a reason you should eat dogs, I'm not saying it's a reason for anyone to eat dogs, I just think that you argument as to why no one should eat dogs is pretty weak.

The ''it's a different culture'' argument used in this thread is funny and ironic considering how people here condemn the Netherlands for their Zwarte Piet tradition.
Dat hypocrisy.

I think you misunderstand the argument.
It's not that it's okay because it's a different culture, but rather that the line of taboo meat we drew that put pigs and rabbits on side and dogs on the other is arbitrary and based on nothing but cultural traditions.

People in this thread who are OK with dogs being stolen, tortured and eaten are fucking disgusting, mang.

I have no respect for any of you. Doesn't matter what your reasoning behind it is.

I'm pretty sure no one is okay with in this thread.
But I get you, I also have no respect to rhetorical strawmen I erect.

 

[Dawg]

I'm pretty sure no one is okay with in this thread.
But I get you, I also have no respect to rhetorical strawmen I erect.

No one is okay with it?

The OP himself said "So what if they eat dog? Is it any different than eating any other animal?"

Dumb as fuck. Dogs are meat why the hell shouldn't people be able to eat them?

if it's got four legs I'll eat it

I'd like to try dog.

 

[Ryan_MSF]

People in this thread who are OK with dogs being stolen, tortured and eaten are fucking disgusting, mang.

I have no respect for any of you. Doesn't matter what your reasoning behind it is.

agreed man, disgusting.

 

[plasmawave]

No one is okay with it?

The OP himself said "So what if they eat dog? Is it any different than eating any other animal?"

Where do they say they are OK with them getting tortured?

 

[Chichikov]

No one is okay with it?

The OP himself said "So what if they eat dog? Is it any different than eating any other animal?"

There are a lot of people in this thread who are okay with eating dog meat, I'm one of them, but I haven't seen a single person who is okay with stealing and torturing them though.

 

[Talon]

Outrage about outrage.

We have become ouroboros.

 

[Daweex]

Are you seriously comparing the eating of a dog, an animal and perfectly viable food source, to a racial issue?

As a matter of act, I am.
Meddling with a country's tradition is not fine but if it hurts your social justice feelings then it becomes totally fine.
And that, my friend, is nothing but pure hypocrisy.

 

[Dawg]

Where do they say they are OK with them getting tortured?

There are a lot of people in this thread who are okay with eating dog meat, I'm one of them, but I haven't seen a single person who is okay with stealing and torturing them though.

It's easy to say that. But the first page is filled with people saying they think the petition is stupid knowing full well these dogs are, in fact, stolen and tortured to provide the meat.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I don't think I would eat dog.

 

[plasmawave]

It's easy to say that. But the first page is filled with people saying they think the petition is stupid knowing full well these dogs are, in fact, stolen and tortured to provide the meat.

You're making a wild assumption here.

 

[Chuckie]

There are a lot of people in this thread who are okay with eating dog meat, I'm one of them, but I haven't seen a single person who is okay with stealing and torturing them though.

But the petition where this topic is about is to stop the Festival in Yunlin, the festival where thousands of dogs reportedly get tortured, boiled alive, burnt alive etc.
So when people react with: Meh, it's all good, other people might assume they are ok with the torture.

I don't know whose fault this is, either the petitioners for not making a clear petition or the OP for not making clear what the petition is about.

I am not against eating dog but I am having lots of doubts about that festival.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Will a petition in the states even have an effect overseas? They barely work here.

 

[Prime crotch]

But the petition where this topic is about is to stop the Festival in Yunlin, the festival where thousands of dogs reportedly get tortured, boiled alive, burnt alive etc.
So when people react with: Meh, it's all good, other people might assume they are ok with the torture.

I don't know whose fault this is, either the petitioners for not making a clear petition or the OP for not making clear what the petition is about.

I am not against eating dog but I am having lots of doubts about that festival.

Maybe people are wary because those claims are kinda loaded with historical racism, I don't doubt there's animal abuse going on, but I'd be cautious as to how widespread it actually is.

 

[linsivvi]

Will a petition in the states even have an effect overseas? They barely work here.

Of course not.

If they feel so strongly about this, learn Chinese/find a translator and post in Chinese social media.

Otherwise it's just a way for some people to feel good about themselves.

 

[Chuckie]

Maybe people are wary because those claims are kinda loaded with historical racism, I don't doubt there's animal abuse going on, but I'd be cautious as to how widespread it actually is.

Mmmm. So all those pics I saw and the actual Vice documentary are also loaded with historical racism? So I see dog torture at the Yunlin festival and I say it sickens me... that is racist how?

 

[Ivan Amiibo]

China don't care about an online petition. the people torturing dogs to eat don't have the internet

 

[entremet]

People actually think a petition will change things?

 

[Moff]

It's easy to say that. But the first page is filled with people saying they think the petition is stupid knowing full well these dogs are, in fact, stolen and tortured to provide the meat.

how we treat our animals could easily be described as torture as well. I honestly do not know about the stealing and skinning, I think it's probably overblown to make the evil chinese even worse.
however, needless to say if true that is VERY bad.

and I think it's definitely true that the chinese generally treat their animals much worse, just like they treat their humans and their nature much worse. my problem is, is that this is only focused on dogs and I am pretty sure there would be zero outrage if this was a beef eating festival with equally treated cows or chicken.

this makes me think this issue is more about "these monsters eat dogs!" and less "these animals are not treated well" than some pople in this thread are trying to make us believe.

 

[Fudgepuppy]

ITT, people compare the intelligence and relationship between chicken and human to dog and human.

I've always had dogs, I love them and could never eat them, but it isn't the eating that pisses me off, it's the cruelty of how it is done.

And as said, chickens are like fish in that they are basically non-sentient and completely brainless. Dogs are companions for a reasons, while chicken aren't. That is why I have tremendous empathy for dogs and not chickens and fish.

And stealing the dogs is just the icing on the cake. You don't see KFC stealing privately owned egg-laying chickens from homeowners to make nuggets.

 

[Prime crotch]

Mmmm. So all those pics I saw and the actual Vice documentary are also loaded with historical racism? So I see dog torture at the Yunlin festival and I say it sickens me... that is racist how?

You also have at least one poster here relating his own experience at the festival, so maybe it's not as linear as a vice documentary made it look.

 

[richiek]

ITT, people compare the intelligence and relationship between chicken and human to dog and human.

I've always had dogs, I love them and could never eat them, but it isn't the eating that pisses me off, it's the cruelty of how it is done.

And as said, chickens are like fish in that they are basically non-sentient and completely brainless. Dogs are companions for a reasons, while chicken aren't. That is why I have tremendous empathy for dogs and not chickens and fish.

And stealing the dogs is just the icing on the cake. You don't see KFC stealing privately owned egg-laying chickens from homeowners to make nuggets.

How do you feel about eating pork, since studies show that pigs are as intelligent as dogs?

 

[dyergram]

This is making rounds on social media. I personally think its dumb as fuck and shows how culturally incompetent most people are. So what if they eat dog? Is it any different thay eating any other animal?

It's diferent because they skin them alive.

 

[Chuckie]

You also have at least one poster here relating his own experience at the festival, so maybe it's not as linear as a vice documentary made it look.

Yeah one poster who himself said he didn't really go look for it vs a documentary and numerous articles and pictures on Google. And this all because historical racism?