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[Chichikov]

It's easy to say that. But the first page is filled with people saying they think the petition is stupid knowing full well these dogs are, in fact, stolen and tortured to provide the meat.

I've been to Yulin and I don't know full well that these dogs are stolen and tortured.
Some of them might, and again, it's terrible if that happen, but at most I've seen people doubting the claim that all these dogs are being stolen and tortured, find me one post here that justify such practices.
One.

China don't care about an online petition. the people torturing dogs to eat don't have the internet

Of course they do. Yulin is a big modern city, it's not some backwater tribal area.
There's a very spirited and angry debate going on Chinese social media about this festival, with people arguing both sides.

 

[Dawg]

People actually think a petition will change things?

Doubt it. I sure as hell don't think it will. Why would they care. What I do think is awful is people saying "china don't care", "lol online petition", "you can't be against this if you eat cow meat/whatever", ...

Using arguments such as "we used to eat dogs in the past as well" is just... awful? Y'know, we used to eat humans in the past too. History is history for a reason. We should learn from our mistakes, not use them as justification to still do these things.

I eat meat. You can call me a hypocrite for eating chicken meat while not being OK with eating dogs. But that's because I think there is a reason... dogs are not equal to chickens. Not everything is black and white. Would you eat another human? You probably wouldn't. Why not? Because it's a terrible thing to do, right? Because humans are more advanced than animals? Because of the emotional band. I'd like to know how far this reasoning goes. Unless some of you are OK with cannibalism.

If scientists finally create a way to artificially create meat, I'll never eat animals again.

 

[Braag]

I have no problem with them eating dogs if they would only kill them humanely.
I have a problem with them skinning them alive and shit however. Apparently adrenaline makes the dog meat taste better so they beat them to death or boil them alive, seriously fuck those people.

 

[Ikael]

The petition is hypocrite, retarded and reeks of western-centrism since it focus around a dog meat festival (a cultural event) and demand its extinction, rather than about ceasing cruelty per se (demanding better animal treatment).

Yulin can eat all the dog meat that they want and keep going on with their festival, as long as dogs are not subjected to cruel conditions. And by "cruel" I meant "worse than we treat cattle".

 

[Moff]

Would you eat another human? You probably wouldn't. Why not? Because it's a terrible thing to do, right? Because humans are more advanced than animals? Because of the emotional band. I'd like to know how far this reasoning goes. Unless some of you are OK with cannibalism.
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human eating human is cannibalism. cannibalism is not ok for a variety of reasons. It has 0 do to with eating "advanced" reaces. I have 0 problems with sharks and lions eating "advanced" humans, more power to them.

you don't need to justify your love for dogs, that's obvious, dawg. but don't try to justify your desire to not eat them somehow with some bogus scientific reasoning just to make other cultures look bad and inferior. that's exactly what makes you a hypocrite.

 

[Can Crusher]

Is it any different thay eating any other animal?

Is this a joke?

There's no difference between a dog and a chicken? Why are we different? Would you think eating a chimpanzee the same as eating a rabbit?

And some of these motherfuckers skin and boil these dogs alive. If I could I would literally do the same to the people who do it. At least be humane about it.

 

[Schweinehund]

Dog's just seem like a crappy food source, though an efficient way to get rid of strays.

Personally I wouldn't eat it, the association I have with my pet being eaten is too strong. I'm sure there's people out there who feel the same about pigs & cows.

Nothing morally wrong (unless they aren't killing them humanely or their living conditions are inhumane) and I don't see what ground these petitioners stand on other than it "offends" them.

 

[whatsinaname]

Doubt it. I sure as hell don't think it will. Why would they care. What I do think is awful is people saying "china don't care", "lol online petition", "you can't be against this if you eat cow meat/whatever", ...

Using arguments such as "we used to eat dogs in the past as well" is just... awful? Y'know, we used to eat humans in the past too. History is history for a reason. We should learn from our mistakes, not use them as justification to still do these things.

I eat meat. You can call me a hypocrite for eating chicken meat while not being OK with eating dogs. But that's because I think there is a reason... dogs are not equal to chickens. Not everything is black and white. Would you eat another human? You probably wouldn't. Why not? Because it's a terrible thing to do, right? Because humans are more advanced than animals? Because of the emotional band. I'd like to know how far this reasoning goes. Unless some of you are OK with cannibalism.

If scientists finally create a way to artificially create meat, I'll never eat animals again.

You have to be incredibly dense or intentionally obtuse to make that logical leap from "People can eat dogs if they want" to "People can steal and torture and eat dogs if they want."

And the assumption that a dog is equal to a human is based on you and your upbringing in a society that holds those values. Other societies don't hold those same values. Why do you judge them on that? Do you feel morally superior for doing so?

 

[Dawg]

human eating human is cannibalism. cannibalism is not ok for a variety of reasons. It has 0 do to with eating "advanced" reaces. I have 0 problems with sharks and lions eating "advanced" humans, more power to them.

you don't need to justify your love for dogs, that's obvious, dawg. but don't try to justify your desire to not eat them somehow with some bogus scientific reasoning just to make other cultures look bad and inferior. that's exactly what makes you a hypocrite.

Well, I'm obviously biased and too emotional... you're probably right I should... calm down. I just... it hurts me when I see stuff like this happen, y'know?

 

[Dawg]

You have to be incredibly dense or intentionally obtuse to make that logical leap from "People can eat dogs if they want" to "People can steal and torture and eat dogs if they want."

And the assumption that a dog is equal to a human is based on you and your upbringing in a society that holds those values. Other societies don't hold those same values. Why do you judge them on that? Do you feel morally superior for doing so?

Morally superior? I don't think I have any right to feel like that.

 

[Into]

Are they signing this petition because they really believe that people in a foreign land give a fuck what some westerners think?

Or are they signing this petition because it scores them some "good person!" points, so they can showcase to the world how good they are for caring for dogs?

The first one is plain and simple ignorance, to think that online petitions would work. They almost never work even in their own countries let alone China.

The second one is pretty disgusting and shallow. To use a different culture and dead animals to propel yourself higher, to showcase how sensitive and well meaning you are. Its kinda crummy.

Id prefer if it was the first one, and this is just idealistic kids dreaming of a better and more fair world, thinking that social media carries this massive power.

 

[MrChom]

Oh no, western-centric viewpoint and moralities, oh no. Guess what....many people being from the West of the Northern Hemisphere that's going to happen. There dogs are friends and not food. To everyone who says you shouldn't judge someone else for their culture...well...why not? We have every bit as much a right to think torturing and eating dogs is barbaric as other people do to think slaughtering and eating cows is.

Personally I find the idea of eating dog distasteful, but then I find eating all animals distasteful...I still do it, but I restrict myself to breeds that exist solely for that purpose in modern times and would likely not have survived were they not food.

The part I find to be abhorrent, though, is the poor conditions, and the torture as well as the methods of slaughter. If you're going to kill something to eat it then at least give it a quick and as painless as possible death as possible. I do think this should be extended to all feed animals, though, they should be as free range as possible.

 

[Prime crotch]

Yeah one poster who himself said he didn't really go look for it vs a documentary and numerous articles and pictures on Google. And this all because historical racism?

Yeah, numerous articles that have been popping up because of the media outrage, which tend to have a sanctimonious tone to it. So I'm not exactly going to dive head first, even the petition could elucidate some points like how the local authorities apparently don't enforce any of the already existing laws. Even that had to find it amidst a lot of emotional loaded articles.

 

[Fenderputty]

I'm with you.

If you sign this petition but aren't already a PETA-loving vegan, you're a hypocrite.

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[n00bsauce87]

We have every bit as much a right to think torturing and eating dogs is barbaric as other people do to think slaughtering and eating cows is.

So tell me your thoughts on Halal slaughter. Does your your personal rights even go to religions and how they prepare their food?

 

[Mecha]

ITT, people compare the intelligence and relationship between chicken and human to dog and human.

I've always had dogs, I love them and could never eat them, but it isn't the eating that pisses me off, it's the cruelty of how it is done.

And as said, chickens are like fish in that they are basically non-sentient and completely brainless. Dogs are companions for a reasons, while chicken aren't. That is why I have tremendous empathy for dogs and not chickens and fish.

And stealing the dogs is just the icing on the cake. You don't see KFC stealing privately owned egg-laying chickens from homeowners to make nuggets.

Are you joking? Research has shown that chickens are smarter than 4 year olds.

 

[HideyoshiJP]

Ugh. Because China (or America for that matter) listens to what other people tell them to do.
While we're at it, let's free all the meat dogs from South Korea. I feel like these people do not know how the world works. 😒

Edit: I will say the torture aspects are pretty horrible. If You're eating a dog as meat, it should be buchered humanely and not stolen - preferably raised as a meat dog.I don't care that they eat dog, though. It's not for me, but I have no feelings on the matter, despite liking dogs. I've pet cows destined to be hamburgers when I was growing up, too.

 

[Clearos]

I don't see the petition doing much minus letting people feel that they accomplished something with putting as little effort as possible into something before forgetting about this practice within 1 week.

 

[anaron]

love Ricky <3

some of you are such idiots, anything is worthy of criticism regardless of "culture." if an aspect of your culture is that fucked up and harmful, it deserves indignation.

 

[God Dayumm]

Eating dogs does not belong in modern civilization, because dogs are humans

 

[Azulsky]

You guys/gals realize we slaughter animals in pretty inhumane ways here in the West too right?

In the US chickens are slaughtered by electrocution for paralysis, then having their throats cut, then scalding. Many skip the first step and some the second as well.

Big birds like turkey are the same except they can be gassed for paralysis.

Pigs and Bovines at least get the Bolt Gun.

Look up Halal slaughter for the poultry info.

 

[IISANDERII]

Petition signed. Thanks for bringing attention to it.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I agree with this.

Edit:

This changes things.

and apparently it's not uncommon for pet owners to have their pets stolen for the festival.

Shit's fucked for many reasons, eating them really isn't one of them (unless you will also concede that eating pigs and chickens are equally as inhuman)

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Dawg, run, this place isn't safe for you!

 

[hydrophilic attack]

I've heard dog is delicious. Why would you ban delicious food?

 

[Owari]

China isn't going to give a shit about some petition, thats fer sure. Fun to try, though. Animal rights are cool when it's convenient.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I've heard dog is delicious. Why would you ban delicious food?

Because we've failed to create a cognitive dissonance with dog

 

[daniels]

I made the mistake of clicking an article about this 'festival'. Dogs set on fire alive, dogs 'hogtied' with their legs broken behind their back, people walking around with sticks and live dogs hanging on metal wires from it. Dogs being boiled alive.

Yeah we should respect this 'ancient' cultural feast. It is exactly the same as eating chicken.

Well that blows the chicken, cow and pig comparison away wtf

 

[OldAsUrSock]

I watched the Vice doc and them eating dogs is curbing the insane stray population. Some are against how they do it and others just cant stomach eating dogs. Either way you shouldn't impose your culture on another.

 

[web01]

Isn't it bad to eat animals higher up on the food chain like dogs?
Basically animals that eat alot of other animals.

 

[waypoetic]

It's the pictures that they post that gets me angry. I KNOW that that shit happens but MAYBE you shouldn't throw that in peoples Facebook/Twitter feeds.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I watched the Vice doc and them eating dogs is curbing the insane stray population. Some are against how they do it and others just cant stomach eating dogs. Either way you shouldn't impose your culture on another.

Depends, some cultural practices need to fucking go. For example, burning dogs alive in this festival.

Or something more human, the insane and horrible practice of female genital mutilation in Africa (most prominently in Africa).

 

[danwarb]

This is making rounds on social media. I personally think its dumb as fuck and shows how culturally incompetent most people are. So what if they eat dog? Is it any different thay eating any other animal?

Yes it is different. Dogs are unique in their domestication. Over the last several thousand years they've developed the ability to read humans better than other animals, even our closest cousins. Their recent evolution is toward working with people, and as pets that develop strong emotional bonds with humans.

I'd also sign a petition to stop eating other animals for the sake of minimizing cruelty and environmental damage.

Also, fuck culture if it's harmful and cruel.

 

[Hilti92]

Eating dogs does not belong in modern civilization, because dogs are humans

 

[i am unagi]

I don't understand how signing a petition is going to put pressure on China to stop this?

If 5,000 people from China signed a petition to stop Americans from eating cows, it would do nothing.

I still signed it though because if someone stole and skinned my dog, I would go full Liam Neeson in Taken.

 

[sometimes i game]

In a world of reddit, neogaf, twitter and change from "bitching," how can so many people in this thread be questioning the value of a petition, news coverage or social conversation?

No one knew about this a few days ago, now millions do. That's good. And maybe a "Blackfish" will come from this, and things can change. Maybe not. But wow at all the "lol petition" comments. Talk gets light shed, it gets things done, welcome to 2015.

 

[Daweex]

You can see how many people here have never had a dog in their life.
The relationship between dogs and humans is so deep that recent studies show how the psychological bond between a dog and its owner is the same as a child and their parent.
So you can undestand why so many people are repulsed by the idea of eating dogs.

 

[Hilti92]

Some of you guys really think it's just about people eating dogs? That it has nothing to do with how they're prepared, tortured, and in some cases, stolen from people who have them as pets?



It's myopic to think that just because they're thousands of miles away, it's not worth raising awareness about.

There's also a VICE mini doc on it that's interesting to watch.

Holy shit. Got about 2 mins in where the dog gets taken and couldn't watch any more.

 

[btrboyev]

Eating dogs does not belong in modern civilization, because dogs are humans

More human than most humans, agreed.

 

[kiunchbb]

If this petition does anything, it would just make people eat even more dogs to retaliate.

At least now you know how vegetarian felt when we see you eating kfc.

 

[linsivvi]

In a world of reddit, neogaf, twitter and change from "bitching," how can so many people in this thread be questioning the value of a petition, news coverage or social conversation?

No one knew about this a few days ago, now millions do. That's good. And maybe a "Blackfish" will come from this, and things can change. Maybe not. But wow at all the "lol petition" comments. Talk gets light shed, it gets things done, welcome to 2015.

Because if you want someone to stop doing something, the sensible way is to do it in a language that they understand, at a platform that they use.

Making a petition using a language these people don't use, at a site that they do not visit, which is blocked anyway, is about as ridiculous as petition goes.

 

[scotcheggz]

No offense but as a vegetarian and GAF member for many years, it's a little glaring to see the double standards here. These guys eat dogs, meat eaters eat many other animals that are kept in piss poor conditions, bread to be killed for your short lived gratification in the billions per year. You fucking think battery farmed chickens live it up? Just having a banging time partying with their 23 million other buddies that are getting slaughtered per year in the UK alone for KFC. Or do you think KFC have acres of golden meadows full of pixies that pluck a chicken out of the lush grass now and then to feed it's chain restaurant for it's newest limited edition chicken dipper shit sponge that will get a thread here on GAF about how delicious it is?

You can cry all you want about these being skinned alive, but all you're doing is drawing a line in the sand for how much cruelty you're willing to accept to fill your stomach full of smashed up arseholes.

Believe it or not, I'm not a combative vegetarian, eat what the fuck you want, but I have seen GAFs record for shitposting in vegetarian threads, but dogs, in CHINA! Now that's a step too far huh guys? Fucking LOL.

 

[crimzonflame]

No offense but as a vegetarian and GAF member for many years, it's a little glaring to see the double standards here. These guys eat dogs, meat eaters eat many other animals that are kept in piss poor conditions, bread to be killed for your short lived gratification in the billions per year. You fucking think battery farmed chickens live it up? Just having a banging time partying with their 23 million other buddies that are getting slaughtered in the UK alone for KFC. Or do you think KFC have acres of golden meadows full of pixies that pluck a chicken out of the lush grass now and then to feed it's chain restaurant for it's newest limited edition chicken dipper shit sponge that will get a thread here on GAF about how delicious it is?

You can cry all you want about these being skinned alive, but all you're doing is drawing a line in the sand for how much cruelty you're willing to accept to fill your stomach full of smashed up arseholes.

Believe it or not, I'm not a comative vegetarian, eat what the fuck you want, but I have seen GAFs record for shitposting in vegetarian threads, but dogs, in CHINA! Now that's a step too far huh guys? Fucking LOL.

But you dont understand. Dogs and humans evolved together and one day we will become one.

 

[nel e nel]

They are burned and boiled alive as well I guess.

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[MrChom]

So tell me your thoughts on Halal slaughter. Does your your personal rights even go to religions and how they prepare their food?

Yup. It's deeply unpleasant. Guess what? Still allowed to think it's barbaric.

Nothing happens.

The world doesn't explode, it keeps on-a turning regardless of what's in the brains of us near chimps hopping about on its surface. Thinking that something is barbaric does not change that 1. It happens, 2. It will probably happen tomorrow, and 3. It will probably continue for a very long time.

If I could stop it tomorrow...I probably would. I also recognise that's unrealistic, and what humans as a whole should probably be doing is looking, long term, at a way of removing animals from our food chain all together provided suitable alternatives can be found to basically sidestep this whole issue....whether that's synthetically cultivated meat or not is a whole other issue.

 

[Lesath]

Because if you want someone to stop doing something, the sensible way is to do it in a language that they understand, at a platform that they use.

Making a petition using a language these people don't use, at a site that they do not visit, which is blocked anyway, is about as ridiculous as petition goes.

Well, to be fair, ignoring the possibilities that the people who sign the petition are either stupid or are in it only to feel morally superior to some hicks living halfway around the world, a petition might be an outlet for people to express themselves in a situation in which they realistically have zero power and influence.

 

[Delta Assault]

I'm sure all those dog kidnappers are really going to stop because some people halfway around the world signed a petition.

 

[kiguel182]

Spain will ban bullfighting within a decade. Because it's a relatively progressive democracy and pressure of this kind is effective. It causes people to think about details in detail.

Bullfighting is in complete different level than this or any other problem with the meat industry.

We are talking about torturing an animal in front of a cheering crowd for no other purpose than entertainment.

 

[kiguel182]

No offense but as a vegetarian and GAF member for many years, it's a little glaring to see the double standards here. These guys eat dogs, meat eaters eat many other animals that are kept in piss poor conditions, bread to be killed for your short lived gratification in the billions per year. You fucking think battery farmed chickens live it up? Just having a banging time partying with their 23 million other buddies that are getting slaughtered per year in the UK alone for KFC. Or do you think KFC have acres of golden meadows full of pixies that pluck a chicken out of the lush grass now and then to feed it's chain restaurant for it's newest limited edition chicken dipper shit sponge that will get a thread here on GAF about how delicious it is?

You can cry all you want about these being skinned alive, but all you're doing is drawing a line in the sand for how much cruelty you're willing to accept to fill your stomach full of smashed up arseholes.

Believe it or not, I'm not a combative vegetarian, eat what the fuck you want, but I have seen GAFs record for shitposting in vegetarian threads, but dogs, in CHINA! Now that's a step too far huh guys? Fucking LOL.

I mean, I'm not a vegetarian but yeah I agree. Pretty much what needs to be said about this petition.

 

[norm9]

I'm going to sign this silly petition and then pat myself on the back for a job well done.

 

[1044]

I imagine this is what it would look like if the internet existed back in the day and people found out another country wasn't all god-fearing christians.