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So this petition to stop dog eating in Yulin
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M0nochromatic
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yeah that festival is real gross. Stealing pets and other abhorrent treatment of animals is a valid thing to be upset about.
Eating dog isn't really as much of a problem.
Eating dog isn't really as much of a problem.
Considering that owning dogs as pets in China isn't really a thing I'd be a little sceptical about them being stolen for this festival. Undoubtedly some are, but unless there is some solid evidence saying otherwise I think it's probably Western media reporting vague rumours as fact. Also, the sheer scale of it makes it seem impractical.
CherryWoodFuton
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Some people have said it...they have problems eating dog yet have no qualms eating chicken, pig, etc etc which are slaughtered pretty much the same if not worse than the dogs in Yulin
I'm not vegetarian but at least I can respect the ones that are because they aren't hypocritical in their criticism
I'm not vegetarian but at least I can respect the ones that are because they aren't hypocritical in their criticism
starchild excalibur
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Seriously, some heinous shit goes on in the world under the umbrella of culture - the hunting to death of certain elephants because of how prized their ivory is, the persecution of albinos in some parts of Africa due to how "magical" they're perceived as being, etc. If you don't agree with the petition, that's fine. But fuck the perspective of "It's culturally insensitive of you, so therefore you're wrong."
The way animals are treated for mass market consumption in the US needs an overhaul, too. And you're right, I'm sure many of us are being hypocritical by taking more issue with what's going on in Yulin without realizing the process that some of our meat undergoes to reach our dinner plate. But to be honest, part of me suspects that a few people raising this point don't care about either - they merely raise the point to justify their indifference and why others should be indifferent.
Both places are guilty of animal mistreatment. I don't see how raising awareness about at least one of those is somehow worse than just ignoring both incidents entirely though.
Owning dogs as pets is definitely a thing in China, especially for the past few years.
Langdon Alger
Banned
Would you have a problem with people eating chimpanzee or dolphin?
No. But the former makes me sick thinking about it. Dolphin doesn't sound too great, but Id try it.
Langdon Alger
Banned
You have no problem eating an animal that's nearly as intelligent as a human? That's messed up.
But not quite. In fact still very far.
Link1110
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Mentioning dolphin here along with dog goes with he reservations I have about condemning people who eat those things Of course I love dogs and couldn't imagine eating one, but I imagine I'd be quite dismissive if India started petitioning the rest of the world to stop eating beef, and I don't really like saying that other countries can't have their cultures as well.
That's what he was banned for?
Langdon Alger
Banned
If people in India had good reasons why people should stop eating beef, reasons that weren't based on something irrational or that had no evidence, then they should start a petition to stop the rest of the world from eating beef, and the rest of the world should listen. Also, I'm sure that there are cultural practices that you would probably object to, female genital mutilation for example, so I'm sure there's a line you draw where you don't want people to "have their cultures as well". You just draw that line at a different point than the people who want to stop dog eating. "It's their culture" is just not a good argument.
do people forget the petition isnt to stop eating dog but to stop treating them like shit and stop stealing them?
still like i said before chinese government isnt going to care about 20k signatures from the us and the people who steal these dogs and do this probably arent going to care either. as mean as it may sound... its kind of meaningless
still like i said before chinese government isnt going to care about 20k signatures from the us and the people who steal these dogs and do this probably arent going to care either. as mean as it may sound... its kind of meaningless
This has close to a million signatures. And it sounds like, yes, they want to flat out end the tradition and festival and compare it to foot binding and arranged marriage.
Fudgepuppy
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I generally stay away from pork. My diet is almost entirely based around chicken, fish and crustaceans.
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Well said doge.
Goddamnit. I'd usually say eat what you want so long as its not endangered, or suffering for the sake of your quick snack but eating dogs or pigs and other intelligent creatures just makes me sick. Saying dogs are the same as chicken is nearly like saying Humans are the same as Pig.
I always hate these thread because its just one big group of people trolling.
Sword Familiar
178% of NeoGAF posters don't understand statistics
I might be affected by this if I didn't live in Sweden.
DonMigs85
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There are a lot of purebreds mixed in as well as dogs with fancy collars. It's an abhorrent and barbaric event. The people buying dogs to save them are also creating an evil market
How do you feel eating pork, since studies show that pigs are genetically close to humans?
kunonabi
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except of course for the vegetarians that eat fish.
Pescetarians.
The only place where I saw people call themselves "vegetarian that eat fish" is France, but these guys are way behind on the matter.
Before I judge, I'd like to know if the dogs being used for meat are being treated humanely. Or, at least, as humane as other types of meat in the area.
Sure, there are reports that dogs are being kidnapped and burned/boiled alive, but those reports don't seem very reliable. If you're believing these things blindly, I think you've already made up your mind on this issue.
Sure, there are reports that dogs are being kidnapped and burned/boiled alive, but those reports don't seem very reliable. If you're believing these things blindly, I think you've already made up your mind on this issue.
DonMigs85
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Dude, we have first-hand reports of dogs being beaten to death or skinned alive right on the street. Not only at this festival of course.
dreamcastmaster
Banned
LOL WUT? I live in China and can tell you lot's of people own dogs for pets.
The festival defense force in the is thread is strong. People just defending the torturing of animals without actually even know what they're defending.
Like cmon. This video is on multiple pages. Watch it
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YfaZeIxHFUM
Like cmon. This video is on multiple pages. Watch it
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YfaZeIxHFUM
David Ricardo
Member
I can't. I pressed play and stopped it before it even started because I know that if I see any of the things people are talking about here I will feel shitty for a long time.
I understand people kill animals to eat everyday. Millions of animals. If you want to eat meat you have to kill something. But I can't stand people torturing innocent defenseless animals. It's son inhumane.
Do you eat meat? If yes, I'd really advise you to actually watch these kind of documentaries until you realize that you're fully taking part in the torture of innocent defenseless animals.
You seem to be in the right mindset.
clay_ghost
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Pigs are more intelligent than dogs.
I won't eat a dog unless my life depends on it or something.
You know that it is true, and still. About dem outdated social constructs, huh.
i mean.. not for the faint of heart:
honestly dogmeat doesnt look appealing. but im also not against it. because china and US has different culture.
honestly dogmeat doesnt look appealing. but im also not against it. because china and US has different culture.
so become vegan? im sure a cagefree chicken thats get slaughtered humanely as opposed to a chicken stick ina cage its whole life till its big enough to kill and packaged. there are humane ways of dealing with this.
Irishmantis
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Right I get and understand why people are defending eating a dog.
it's already being stated with people's feeling on thow they treat the Dogs I won't repeat that, but how come it seems everyone is skipping over the whole stealing Dogs from loving families.
Imagined your Dog was stolen from your home to be totured and eating.
This thread is to not defend your views on eating Dogs I can kind of understand that I guess, but this seems to cover the cruelty and stealing from family's so if you gonna defend in this thread at least defend all the aspects of it, especially the stealing Dogs part since I have not seen that yet.
it's already being stated with people's feeling on thow they treat the Dogs I won't repeat that, but how come it seems everyone is skipping over the whole stealing Dogs from loving families.
Imagined your Dog was stolen from your home to be totured and eating.
This thread is to not defend your views on eating Dogs I can kind of understand that I guess, but this seems to cover the cruelty and stealing from family's so if you gonna defend in this thread at least defend all the aspects of it, especially the stealing Dogs part since I have not seen that yet.
I don't think people are reading much other than the first post.
Even if it's a small farm who "humanely" kill their chickens, what do you think happens with the male chicks when they're born?
Cage free chickens is a joke in the US, btw. Just a label to make you think you're buying "humane" meat.
DonMigs85
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At least it's a quick death
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