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When I saw the listing on the shop I got kind of excited. Games that use input on the lower screen with full top screen on the TV sounds pretty novel for specific games I'm thinking about. But then reality snapped into place and I saw the anemic section and the 6 month gap in releases between the last one. So Brain Academy is recently released, that's a good sign even if I don't care about it.

What I'm wondering is if there's even a shot at third party games getting released through this at all. I'm starting to think that I shouldn't even think of a list of hopefuls, because it'll be heartbreaking, ha. But man, the gamepad for the lower and TV for top screen sounds kind of rad!
 
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance got released to the Virtual Console so the sequel would make sense, but yeah, I don't think third parties have any interest. They don't have any interest really in the GBA, and there's not a ton of interest in the non-handheld platforms this generation either. I don't really know why, but them's the breaks.

The only one I have is WarioWare Touched which is fun, although it can be a pain in the ass for off-screen play. You have to put both the screens on the one GamePad screen and hold it sideways, and ugh, not into doing that. Some games you can mostly get away with using just the one screen though.
 
The DS selection for PAL regions is awesome, I have no idea why the NA selection is so behind.

We just got Advance Wars: Dual Strike and Pokemon Ranger.
 
NoA is incapable of focusing on more than one thing at a time on the VC. DS games are dead presumably for portable SNES, just as DS games aligned with them completely dropping Wii titles.
 
Threads that use any form of "uh..." "so.." should be psa'ed

I have starfox assault and it looks pretty bad. I think I'd rather just play ds games on a dsi xl.

If they had an option to increase rendering resolution I would be more interested in 3d games.
 
RomanticHeroX said:
NoA is incapable of focusing on more than one thing at a time on the VC. DS games are dead presumably for portable SNES, just as DS games aligned with them completely dropping Wii titles.
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Yeah kinda sucks that NoA never brought over Kiryb Epic Yarn yet, or even Xenoblade
 
It's so damn annoying GBA and DS games are only available on Wii U. The hell is the point of playing a portable game while being glued to a TV?
 
Sol1dus said:
It's so damn annoying GBA and DS games are only available on Wii U. The hell is the point of playing a portable game while being glued to a TV?
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Probably because the 3DS isn't capable of emulating GBA games properly and DS games already play on the 3DS...the entire DS library is available on the 3DS.
 
The virtual console is likely going to get rebooted on the NX since it'll have a cross platform OS now. So I'd wait if you want to see third party VC support for GBA and DS.
 
The GBA list in the US is absolutely huge by comparison. And there's third parties.
 
Sol1dus said:
It's so damn annoying GBA and DS games are only available on Wii U. The hell is the point of playing a portable game while being glued to a TV?
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A 2D portable game with good upscaling (and filters if that's your kick) can look amazing on the big screen. But that's not exactly Wii U's strength, but they look nice enough on the Gamepad.
 
I have a new 3DS but even I rather play my DS games on my Note 2 with the Spen (the phone is outdated but still manages it to do it well) and it runs the games fine even with HQ2X filter with the Drastic emu.

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Really sad that they're not having plans to do that officially (not even on the Wii U I guess).

DS games officially on mobile, Nintendo do it now.
 
I poured an ungodly number of hours into the free copy of Brain Training they gave everyone. Finished every Sudoku puzzle, trained the shit out of my brain. Stroop test ain't got shit on me.

But I'll be much more interested in a DS Virtual Console when they can get it on a handheld. If they can't get the Virtual Console wrapper working, I'd be totally fine with them just dumping DS .isos on the 3DS eShop. Same thing they currently do with digital Wii games on the Wii U. Plenty of DS games are hard to find these days, or just more expensive than I'm interested in paying, and I really don't want to be tethered to my TV when I'm playing handheld games.
 
Yudoken said:
O have a new 3DS but even I rather play my DS games on my Note 2 with the Spen (the phone is outdated but still manages it to do it well) and it runs the games fine even with HQ2X filter with the Drastic emu.

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Really sad that they're not having plans to do that officially (not even on the Wii U I guess).
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BRB, reporting this to Nintendo and the FBI.
 
matrix-cat said:
I poured an ungodly number of hours into the free copy of Brain Training they gave everyone. Finished every Sudoku puzzle, trained the shit out of my brain. Stroop test ain't got shit on me.

But I'll be much more interested in a DS Virtual Console when they can get it on a handheld. If they can't get the Virtual Console wrapper working, I'd be totally fine with them just dumping DS .isos on the 3DS eShop. Same thing they currently do with digital Wii games on the Wii U. Plenty of DS games are hard to find these days, or just more expensive than I'm interested in paying, and I really don't want to be tethered to my TV when I'm playing handheld games.
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What!?

EDIT: Oh, UK/Europe only.
 
RomanticHeroX said:
NoA is incapable of focusing on more than one thing at a time on the VC. DS games are dead presumably for portable SNES, just as DS games aligned with them completely dropping Wii titles.
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We've gotten several weeks with multiple retro releases at once this year, Wii games continued (and will continue) even after DS hit, and I'm positive we're going to start getting more DS games very soon now.
 
NOLA_Gaffer said:
Probably because the 3DS isn't capable of emulating GBA games properly and DS games already play on the 3DS...the entire DS library is available on the 3DS.
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My Ambassador games say otherwise. The lack of GBA games on 3DS VC is such a missed opportunity.
 
SPE said:
My Ambassador games say otherwise. The lack of GBA games on 3DS VC is such a missed opportunity.
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Your ambassador games aren't emulated, they're played through DS hardware in the 3DS. The 3DS cannot emulate GBA (or SNES) games to an acceptable level, nor can DS mode add features like sleep mode or save state.
 
ZeroX03 said:
Your ambassador games aren't emulated, they're played through DS hardware in the 3DS. The 3DS cannot emulate GBA (or SNES) games to an acceptable level, nor can DS mode add features like sleep mode or save state.
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Not emulated = Even Better. Perfect and amazing battery.

GBA games on the DS didn't sleep either, and not having save states is a really REALLY dumb reason to not release a game.

Edit: Plus, if Save States were the dealbreaker, Nintendo could probably add them if they wanted too. I owned a flash cart for an actual GBA (I hate carrying around multiple cartridges) which was able to do save states after you ran the games through a patching program on the PC.
 
NOLA_Gaffer said:
Probably because the 3DS isn't capable of emulating GBA games properly and DS games already play on the 3DS...the entire DS library is available on the 3DS.
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Isn't the trick that the Nintendo 3DS doesn't need to emulate Game Boy Advance games at all? It can run them natively.
 
Wowfunhappy said:
Not emulated = Even Better. Perfect and amazing battery.

GBA games on the DS didn't sleep either, and not having save states is a really REALLY dumb reason to not release a game.
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If they released GBA games without the sleep and save states, it probably wouldn't have been much of a deal breaker for me, but that's just me.
 
Wowfunhappy said:
Not emulated = Even Better. Perfect and amazing battery.

GBA games on the DS didn't sleep either, and not having save states is a really REALLY dumb reason to not release a game.
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It's not "even better". It's demonstrably worse. And there's no point trying to argue this with me, Nintendo have made it damn clear they're not going to budge on this.
 
NOLA_Gaffer said:
Probably because the 3DS isn't capable of emulating GBA games properly and DS games already play on the 3DS...the entire DS library is available on the 3DS.
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The entire DS library is playable on 3DS, not available. Huge difference. There are many, many titles that aren't readily available without paying double the MSRP with a 50% chance of a counterfeit game card.

There's really no good reason that the 3DS and Wii U eShops couldn't be loaded with shittons of DS and Wii games digitally repackaged and running natively. It's essentially free money and breaths new life into old releases.
 
Wowfunhappy said:
Not emulated = Even Better. Perfect and amazing battery.

GBA games on the DS didn't sleep either, and not having save states is a really REALLY dumb reason to not release a game.

Edit: Plus, if Save States were the dealbreaker, Nintendo could probably add them if they wanted too. I owned a flash cart for an actual GBA (I hate carrying around multiple cartridges) which was able to do save states after you ran the games through a patching program on the PC.
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It's not dumb at all. When they have an emulation service that is branded such as Virtual Console, customers expect continuity, which means they expect consistent features and possibly new features being introduced (such as Pixel Perfect with the SNES emulator on N3DS).

Stating what happened on old hardware is no excuse to not introduce new features. If you can make a GBA ROM have sleep status and save states, then you go straight ahead and add that shit in. Also you're comparing a flash cart with an emulator with access to a built-in system running straight off native hardware. Apples to Oranges.
 
MegaManTrigger said:
Also you're comparing a flash cart with an emulator with access to a built-in system running straight off native hardware. Apples to Oranges.
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I'm referring to a gba flash cart for playing gba games natively on a gba. No emulation. You don't need an emulator to do save states.

I will also point out that when you buy Wii games on the Wii U eShop, they don't support save states and I don't see customers revolting.

ZeroX03 said:
And there's no point trying to argue this with me, Nintendo have made it damn clear they're not going to budge on this.
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This is a gaming forum, where we discuss video games and the companies that make them. :P
 
This whole debate makes me sad every time I think about it.

If you're someone defending Nintendo on any of this, in any way, whether it's about GBA games NOT on 3DS or the lack of games on VC, then you can get the hell out.

DO. NOT. GIVE. THEM. A. BREAK.

This VC debate is almost as big of a deal as the lack of cross buy which is a separate discussion in and of itself: it's inexcusable. And too many asshats out there just give them break after break, and on and on.

Here's the thing: I want to play Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn on my Wii U, just like I have the option to play Metroid Prime Trilogy. I wanna buy it for $20. I don't want to (need to) track down a used copy of it from anywhere between $60-$100. But let me tell you a secret, that's likely not going to happen and here's why: the game sold like shit here in US and NoA sees no reason to release it digitally. It will probably be added in Japan and UK and never see another release here, and that's the dumbest thing.

I want to play almost the entire GBA library on my new 3DS but that's never going to happen simply because Nintendo (NoA) doesn't want it to. If you reply to this with some sort of link to an article suggesting with "facts" that its not possible to play GBA on the new 3DS, or say that it's "not possible", then you're part of the problem.

There's a trend here that started back with the release of the Wii U and 3DS back in 2012 (maybe even earlier than that).

Man... You know how bad I want to play Secret of Mana on anything?!? I'll tell you what I won't be doing though, I won't be spending 800 made up currency points, tracking down and goddamn stupid controller that attaches to another controller and then launching a system within a system to play it... What a clusterf@&k!
 
aggienader said:
Man... You know how bad I want to play Secret of Mana on anything?!? I'll tell you what I won't be doing though, I won't be spending 800 made up currency points, tracking down and goddamn stupid controller that attaches to another controller and then launching a system within a system to play it... What a clusterf@&k!
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Looks like you might be in luck though: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1195249&highlight=

No 'made up currency', no tracking down controllers, and no launching systems within a system.

Just gotta hope its not JP only...
 
From what I can tell, DS games on Wii U may be closer to ports than actual emulation. Sure they have to work with some sort of framework as a basis but I wouldn't call that an emulator if they have to touch the game's source code at some point.
Because of this, 3rd party games are highly unlikely.

It's a case of Nintendo being Nintendo considering there was one DS game you could download through the Club Nintendo in Japan.

But I'll be much more interested in a DS Virtual Console when they can get it on a handheld.
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Disney Vault

I believe Nintendo have it's own but somewhat similar policies when it comes to digital availability, VC, and ports/remakes.
 
GBA and DS games on the VC only make sense on a portable system. Maybe the original 3DS was not prepared for them, but they massively wasted the opportunity to sell properly with the New 3DS, especially because they could use the multiplayer capabilities of the portable device. The WiiU ports are just eunuch versions of the originals.
 
Its a bit like hey, heres this awesome thing that we can do, were totally gonna just show you its possible but do very little with it...

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I have NSMB and Wario Ware Touched and both work good on the Wii U. And obviously games like Prime Hunters (not out yet) and MKDS seem silly without multiplayer, so I haven't bothered (even though I love MKDS).

I think some games that are very multi-screen heavy might be hard to play, though.

KNT-Zero said:
GBA and DS games on the VC only make sense on a portable system. Maybe the original 3DS was not prepared for them, but they massively wasted the opportunity to sell properly with the New 3DS, especially because they could use the multiplayer capabilities of the portable device. The WiiU ports are just eunuch versions of the originals.
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I like being able to play Metroid Zero Mission on my TV.

Not that I couldn't before, I had a GB Player, but on a modern system it's nice without any bulky attachment.

And actually, given the choice between my 3DS and DSi for playing DS games, I still go with my DSi. I don't like how DS games look on a 3DSXL, even if I use the native resolution mode, while the DSi is an excellent system.
 
The only practical justification I can see for GBA and DS games on Wii U is eventual carryover to the NX. Otherwise, not having at least the DS games for sale on the 3DS eShop is mind boggling.
 
Too many systems to keep up, especially since they release VC games at a snail like pace (I guess it picked up a bit recently, but it's still slow). N64 games are also lacking on the VC. Plus, now there is going to be a shift to SNES games on the 3DS, so I don't expect many more DS games.
 
I just don't get why the DS VC isn't a thing on the 3DS. The system plays the cards just fine.

Really hope Nintendo gets their VC act together next gen.
 
clevbrowns94 said:
Too many systems to keep up, especially since they release VC games at a snail like pace (I guess it picked up a bit recently, but it's still slow). N64 games are also lacking on the VC. Plus, now there is going to be a shift to SNES games on the 3DS, so I don't expect many more DS games.
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For NX, I think they should (finally) consider NES and GB games like the $1-$2 games.
On Wii you had that program where you help friends connecting to the Wii Shop Channel.
IIRC, make that 20 times (!) and you got all first party NES VC games for free. I think it should be a start to have that library for early adopters.

My point is, time to stop micro-managing NES games releases and starts with the SNES this time.
And better make another low fee (or free) to transfer your Wii/Wii U/3DS purchases to NX.
Thinking about it, it's already a mess anyway.
 
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