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So uh...Hollywood Writer's Strike anyone?

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The Storyteller said:
BSG may be highly serialized but its Sci-Fi flagship show, its won Emmy's and its acclaimed as on of the best dramas on TV. A large chunk of the fans are people who dont usually watch Sci-Fi and they love it because it doesn't have too much of that (which is probably why a lot of people were turned off by season 3's direction).
Not to really get into it, but IIRC BSG's ratings aren't any better than Farscape's were (solid first 2 seasons, then a downslide). Neither one is really approachable to newcomers if they are watching an episode after Season 2. While both shows got more serialized, Farscape has plenty of standalone episodes that were very solid.....OTOH BSG's standalones are downright terrible -- the Starbuck/Apollo boxing match lovefest....the labor dispute in the mining division....uggggh. At the same time, I still tend to feel like FS's "mythology" episodes were still more approachable than BSG's. All you really had to know for later FS was that Scorpius had a mental clone inside John's head and that clone wanted wormhole information. For BSG, you can't really afford to miss an episode and it's more difficult to keep up. And let's be honest -- if BSG hasn't broken into "mainstream" appeal by now, neither show is going to.

Farscape won a couple Hugos, and had heavy accolades from the likes of TV Guide but couldn't really retain its numbers with the retarded ways SciFi went about airing it. (Not to say that TV Guide is a big important critic, but it represents the mainstream pretty well). What Emmys did BSG win? I don't recall that happening, but I don't keep up with awards...

At the end of the day though, BSG is pretty much getting the Farscape treatment. SciFi doesn't want more than 4 seasons, they just want enough to push into healthy syndication territory. FS got similarly insulting renewal offers after Season 4 where they only wanted to commit to a half season (the producers refused....something I have a hard time forgiving them for). Farscape was a flagship show, much like BSG.....but for whatever reason SciFi just doesn't care about that sort of thing. If a show is a money-loser they look to drop it, no matter how much prestige and attention it brings the network.

If they dump BSG, it will probably get the same deal as Farscape -- some 4 hour miniseries to tie things up in a fairly hasty and unsatisfying way. I doubt they'll let it go "unfinished".....but if you think they are gonna pony up for the remaining 8-12 episodes I would not be so certain.
 
Nope.....but it's supposedly looking good.

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/urgent-my-report-on-todays-talks/

I am thrilled to give you a report on how today's contract talks went between the writers and the producers. And they went well, according to my sources. "It was very productive, very level-headed, and it seemed as though the producers came ready to bargain," an insider told me tonight. "Reasonableness ruled the day."

In fact, the AMPTP reps for the studios and networks showed up to the negotiating session with what was described to me as "a very comprehensive proposal which laid out to all the entire roadmap to the deal. Over the course of the session, the producers addressed every single issue, and the writers listened and kept getting up to caucus."

According to my sources, both sides spent the day recapping where they'd left off negotiations back on that Sunday November 4th, which was the last time the WGA and AMPTP faced each other. "So they basically went through all the proposals on the table: what they'd already agreed upon, and where they needed to go from here," an insider explained to me. "Tomorrow, they really start advancing the ball forward."
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
I was thinking more of the TV-on-disc business, which certainly seems a lot bigger for BSG than it did for Farscape, at least from my perspective. I'll freely admit I don't have hard numbers to back it up, but that's my impression.

I sure don't want to buy multiple DVD or HD-DVD sets of a serialized show that gets cut off with no resolution.

yeah farscape just missed out on the dvd money by like 2 or 3 years.
 
Green Shinobi said:
How have the studios not become completely vilified in the public eye by now?
Because most shows are still airing new eps. Give it a couple of months of reruns, then the masses will start to pay attention.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071201/tv_nm/leno_dc

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - A couple of days after the Writers Guild of America strike began November 5, the star of "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno" told some 80 of his idled staffers that they need not worry about their finances.


Leno was so adamant about paychecks being safe, many didn't bother looking for new jobs even though NBC was forecasting layoffs.

So it came as quite a shock Friday when the entire staff was told that they were not only out of a job but also that they weren't guaranteed of being rehired once "The Tonight Show" returns.

"Some people were crying. Some people were screaming," said one employee speaking on condition of anonymity.

NBC declined comment on the firings beyond a brief statement that it had "regretfully informed the people who work on 'The Tonight Show With Jay Leno' and 'Late Night With ***** O'Brien' that their services are not needed at this time due to our inability to continue production of the shows."

According to several staffers, tensions at "Tonight Show" have been mounting for weeks, and matters weren't helped by news that other late-night hosts have been preserving the jobs of their nonwriting staffs or paying those who had been laid off. O'Brien confirmed Thursday, for example, that he would pay the salaries of at least 50 nonwriting "Late Night" staffers out of his own pocket on a week-to-week basis.

Some "Tonight Show" insiders are angry at Leno, because of an upbeat conference call he held shortly after the WGA strike began.

"He was on speaker phone," a staffer said. "There were 80 of us. He told us not to panic. He said to trust him. He said: 'I can't get into details, but nobody will miss a car payment or lose their house. We're family. Trust me. I'm going to take care of this.' But that was the time we should have been looking for new jobs."

More recently, a letter NBC sent to now-laid-off staffers said, "If your services are needed, we will contact you."

"That's standard boilerplate," said Joe Medeiros, a striking writer who has worked with Leno for 18 years. "It's corporate butt-covering."

According to insiders, the early confidence that Leno expressed stemmed from several options in the works, including the hiring of guest hosts. Leno himself guest-hosted for "The Tonight Show With Johnny Carson" during the 1988 writers strike, according to the WGA. This time around, comedian Wanda Sykes was a top pick, but she turned down the offer. Using rock stars on a rotating basis also was considered, insiders said.

Another option was having Leno do a show without a monologue or writers, relying heavily on musical acts and stand-up comedians.

None of the options, though, came to fruition, and "The Tonight Show" has continued airing reruns.

Beyond Leno's misplaced optimism about the financial well-being of his staff, he further damaged himself -- in the eyes of some workers -- with his public behavior. While he privately expressed concern for the jobs of all staff members, to the media he seemed preoccupied with supporting striking writers, including handing out doughnuts to picketers and mugging for press photos.

"He even joked that because of the writers strike, he had more time to work on his car collection," a staffer said. "That didn't sit well with us."

Medeiros said that Leno made his doughnut appearance on Day One of the strike at his request. "I asked him to come out and he did. We thought it sent a message to end the strike."

Asked if writers would object to Leno working without them during the strike in order to save jobs, Medeiros said: "I can't answer that. The story to me is that the corporations are doing this in order to pit groups against each other and break the strike."

The fact that some of Leno's writers are paid $500,000 or more annually also didn't sit well with suddenly out-of-work production staffers who make a fraction of that amount. Writers also are getting residuals on "Tonight Show" reruns that air during the strike.

The final indignation was a Christmas bonus that many thought lacking. Staffers with a couple of years on the job were given $200. Some higher-paid employees were awarded three days of salary or a bit more, about the same bonuses they got last year.

The Leno representative defended the bonuses as well, pointing out that they amounted to $500,000 in aggregate out of Leno's pocket. He also noted that Leno handed out $2 million five years ago to staffers in celebration of his 10th year as host.

"Jay is a very generous man," added Medeiros. "I don't know what people expected. How much more should he give over a situation that he didn't cause?"

But, said one staffer: "When the most powerful man in TV tells you to relax, then you relax. That's why we expected the bonuses to cover us through the strike. He could've at least covered us through Christmas. That would have been nice."
 
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icarus-daedelus said:
You can't really trivialize the importance of DVD (and internet, come to think of it) sales, though, which Farscape never had and never will have due to the utterly retarded method of packaging the DVDs for that show. DVDs result in direct profit, whereas with tv airings producers mostly care about whether or not you're watching the advertisements, which no one with a dvr and a right mind would do anyway. I think you're overestimating the importance of syndication these days, which has continued to dwindle.

Not to mention that Farscape has as many if not more elements (science fiction premise, the overt sexuality, muppets, etc.) going against any kind of mass appeal than BSG, and that by the third season the focus changed from episodic to serialized, which I imagine helped lead to fewer viewers in spite of the increase in quality (don't you just love America?)


Gaaaawd I wish Farscape dvds were easier to get.
 
Linkhero1 said:
Better get Lost on time. I seriously don't know what to do if I don't get my weekly Lost in the spring.

we will get 8 episodes probably if the strikes continues, the ones that were already shoot.
 
Gexecuter said:
we will get 8 episodes probably if the strikes continues, the ones that were already shoot.


They've said if the strike goes on into next year they'll push those 8 episodes to the fall and have a 24 episode season
 
robochimp said:
They've said if the strike goes on into next year they'll push those 8 episodes to the fall and have a 24 episode season
As painful as that would be, I'd prefer it to seeing eight episodes and having to wait another six or more months for any resolution.

Oh, and Leno sucks.
 
Salmonax said:
As painful as that would be, I'd prefer it to seeing eight episodes and having to wait another six or more months for any resolution.

Oh, and Leno sucks.

I think you misunderstand. There were supposed to be 16 episodes for next year, but only 8 have been completed. ABC will be showing those 8 next year no matter what. If the other 8 episodes aren't completed in time, ABC will push them back to 2009. In other words, the second half of season 4 will be merged with season 5.

Either way, we're definitely getting 8 episodes next year. Whether or not we get the full 16 depends on how soon the cast/crew can get back to work.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
seriously. both ***** and letterman are paying their employees out of their own pockets..



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.. why is co_nan filtered?

Because it's the name of a game from E*dos.
 
Question: What does the strike mean for Lost? Any idea how many episodes they finished pre-strike? Is it still scheduled to air some time in February? — Mike

Ausiello: Why do I suddenly feel as if I'm talking to myself, Mike? Why do I also suddenly feel like I'm not going to like what I have to say? At least I know the answer to that second part — it's because I don't like what I have to say. If the strike extends into the new year, there is a slight chance ABC may opt to hold the eight completed episodes until 2009 (that's not a typo). Under that scenario, Lost would have 24 original episodes (eight from this season, 16 from next) that could run uninterrupted from January until May — much like a certain Fox drama that features a ticking clock. Says Lost cocreator Carlton Cuse, "Damon [Lindelof] and my concern about running the episodes we will have made is that it will feel a little like reading half a Harry Potter novel, then having to put it down. There is a mini cliff-hanger at the end of Episode 8, but it's like the end of an exciting book chapter; it's not the end of the novel. Damon and I didn't write [the ending of Episode 8] differently [with the looming strike in mind]. We wrote it to be the ending of Episode 8." In any case, he concedes that the decision to hold or air the episodes isn't ultimately theirs. "It's really [ABC honcho Steve MacPherson's] call," Cuse notes, adding, "No one was happy with the six-episode run last season."


This could mean no Lost for this season
 
robochimp said:
That is not what has been said. They have 8 made. If the strike gets to a point where they can not make this season a full 16. They are moving the whole thing back to next fall. Which means no Lost at all for this season


"ABC said that as of now, it is sticking with its plan to air the eight episodes it has of Lost -- this coming on the day that Fox announced that it will bench its own serialized midseason thriller, 24.
Lost

Lost executive producer Damon Lindelof said Wednesday that the final episode that has been written ends in a cliffhanger that will not be resolved for viewers until after the strike."

Source: DarkUFO
 
Blader5489 said:
I think you misunderstand. There were supposed to be 16 episodes for next year, but only 8 have been completed. ABC will be showing those 8 next year no matter what. If the other 8 episodes aren't completed in time, ABC will push them back to 2009. In other words, the second half of season 4 will be merged with season 5.
Ah, I thought it was the original (finished) eight being pushed back. This is painful considering they were finally going to approach this season the right way (no breaks, no repeats).
 
Salmonax said:
Ah, I thought it was the original (finished) eight being pushed back. This is painful considering they were finally going to approach this season the right way (no breaks, no repeats).
Lost can't catch a break with its broadcast schedule no matter what they do.
 
I think this strike has a dangerously high chance of back firing on the Writers.

There's so much more forms of entertainment now then previous strikes. There are also massive amount of back logs of TV people have now with Season sets of most TV shows, new or old.

Plus there's all the reality tv and game shows that studios can use as well as the large amount of movies that can be shown by the networks. Not to mention the the many sport channels, showing hundred of games for the popular sports as well as cover stuff as obscure as water polo.

Personally for me and most of the people I know, we won't seriously care about the strike until as least a year later. We just have too much backlog of entertainment and too little time to watch it. Sure it will be an annoyance to see the house episode is a rerun the first few weeks but later I'd just start watching my hundreds of episodes of various shows or my over 50 backlog of video games. Then again college basketball season already started and maybe I'll watch more games, I mean its not like there is a night without at least 3 games to choose from.
 
ccbfan said:
I think this strike has a dangerously high chance of back firing on the Writers.

There's so much more forms of entertainment now then previous strikes. There are also massive amount of back logs of TV people have now with Season sets of most TV shows, new or old.

Plus there's all the reality tv and game shows that studios can use as well as the large amount of movies that can be shown by the networks. Not to mention the the many sport channels, showing hundred of games for the popular sports as well as cover stuff as obscure as water polo.

Personally for me and most of the people I know, we won't seriously care about the strike until as least a year later. We just have too much backlog of entertainment and too little time to watch it. Sure it will be an annoyance to see the house episode is a rerun the first few weeks but later I'd just start watching my hundreds of episodes of various shows or my over 50 backlog of video games. Then again college basketball season already started and maybe I'll watch more games, I mean its not like there is a night without at least 3 games to choose from.

studio execs want money. They get less money if they dont have novel things to sell. They get novel things from writers. Thus, the strike is likely to benefit the writers in the end.
 
Jasoco said:
OMG that was great... but wasn't it technically written? So didn't someone just cross the line by creating that? OMG universe implodes on itself.

Writers can still write, just not for any of the companies they are in strike against. So youtube videos promoting the strike are perfectly fine
 
Poniewozik on some things that might happen to scheduling because of the strike.
James Poniewozik said:
So we all know that the writers' strike has shut down some of your favorite shows and that it's cost the jobs of numerous below-the-line workers in the TV business. (The writers are making a counteroffer as negotiations resume today.) But it may claim a bigger casualty: TV critics may not have an excuse to go to L.A. in the middle of winter!

The New York Times' TV Decoder blog reports that as a result of the strike, so many networks are bailing on the scheduled January TV Critics' Association press tour that it may not happen. I kid the TCA, but even though I only go to press tour occasionally--I went for a couple days last winter while in L.A. to interview Sarah Silverman--this is a big deal to newspaper reporters around the country who rely on the tour for access to producers and stars. And if the January tour is canceled, many of their editors may take that as a reason to cut costs by not sending their critics to future tours.

But that's just one of the many unintended consequences the strike may have. For instance, TV Week postulates that if the strike is resolved this winter, the networks may extend the seasons for at least some shows--cough! Lost! cough!--into the summer. With that move may come the end of the arbitrary September-to-May Nielsen TV season, which--with the scads of viewers cable has been able to draw in the summer--looks more and more like a dinosaur.

There are a lot of things that, at this point, the TV business does simply because they've always been done that way. To take another: the May "upfronts" presentations, in which the networks persuade advertisers to pay billions of dollars based on their anticipated performance of shows that will not air for another four months or more. Why? Because the networks had leverage to get advertisers to do it. But more and more advertisers have grown tired of the practice, and if there's no fall season to announce come May, they may have an excuse to drop it.

It's not so much that a long strike will radically change TV so much as it may accelerate changes that were likely to happen in the next five or ten years anyway. The boundaries between network and cable are becoming more porous too, what with NBC signing up with the producer of Deadliest Catch, and calling take-backsies on Law and Order: Criminal Intent, which returns to NBC from USA Network in January. And we've seen the first Internet show, quarterlife, migrate to TV--a move in the works before the strike, apparently, but certainly given urgency by it.

Whatever the deal the studios and writers reach may end up being relatively tiny in the big picture. The TV business they return to could be different in far bigger ways that neither of them can control.
 
Whats really bad about this strike is that many of these writers will most likely come back to there jobs where as many others low on the scale will lose theirs. And I don't get it. In which other industry are workers entitled to a bigger piece of the pie? Because we post on GAF should we get a cut of the advertisement revenues if there is any? I just don't get why the writers think they are entitled to more. If they are the creators or producers I can say ok but they are not. They are hired help paid to do a job.
 
RumFore said:
Whats really bad about this strike is that many of these writers will most likely come back to there jobs where as many others low on the scale will lose theirs. And I don't get it. In which other industry are workers entitled to a bigger piece of the pie? Because we post on GAF should we get a cut of the advertisement revenues if there is any? I just don't get why the writers think they are entitled to more. If they are the creators or producers I can say ok but they are not. They are hired help paid to do a job.

They provide a necessary service and are unionized, so they are in a position to bargain for better wages? It isn't complicated.
 
Trident said:
They provide a necessary service and are unionized, so they are in a position to bargain for better wages? It isn't complicated.


i read that as un-ionized

:lol oh boy.. chemistry is starting to get to me.
 
You can't act, direct or produce something that hasn't been written.

Anything else would just be an attempt at abstract art.
 
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