Godzilla's Left Toe
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Jan or Feb 2016 like what Sony did
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So when will Nintendo reveal it's next hardware ? console, NX ?
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Maybe they can find around it similar to how MS did on xbox one
No way Xbox one and PS4 last 5 years, 360 was like 7 years and PS3 was 6 years, I see these system going closer to 10 years
Well I'm willing to bet the farm that we won't see a brand new Smash Bros within the first two years of the NX's release at least. That is why a port makes sense. Add a subspace emmisarry with all DLC released to that point and that is an easy $60 purchase for many. Heck if they really wanted to reward Wii-U owners, give those who purchased the game $20 off the NX port. Then promise to continue supporting that game for a couple more years. Now you aren't spending a large number of resources making another smash game and put those assets to better use.
Mario Kart is tricky. It is easier to make another Mario Kart game than Smash but releasing MK8 and MK 9 within a 3-4 year gap might hurt current Mario Kart 8 owners. If you release MK8 at the NX launch, it better include all the DLC and maybe something extra to get people to double dip. That or launch with a $40 price tag (not happening). But if you wait and really make MK 9 different, like a Diddy Kong Racing campaign and an add actual battle mode maps, you might be able to sell it. Do the same thing with Smash and support it for a couple years. The MK8 DLC is phenomenal. I think the better move is to launch with F-Zero and wait until 2018 to make a super big Mario Kart 9.
Splatoon is tricky too. If the NX releases next year, it might be hard to sell another $60 Splatoon purchase, especially if they are still rolling out free content right now. They could either release a Splatoon port around launch or just wait and make Splatoon 2 for 2018. That is a tough move either way because you want more people to experience the new IP but you don't want to damage the relationship with the early adopters.
Ideally, the best way for Nintendo to get the best of both worlds is to offer a free/well-discounted download of the ports for Wii-U owners who bought the game. Having some of these multiplayer games at launch is huge like you said. I think the best case scenario for launch is....
Zelda
F-Zero
Smash
Wii Sports/Nintendoland-esque game
TheSpecialOne
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You might want to go to spec savers yet because while these consoles will have a 10 year life cycle, new consoles will launch at latest by 2019. Most likely Christmas 2018 with Microsoft attempting to launch first.
My two cents about Nintendo's schedule for NX:
2015 Fall
-DeNa-based Club Nintendo account presented and launch before year's end. Since Iwata's passing we didn't get any Nintendo Direct and I'm not sure if we'll get more of these or they'll adopt a different way for promoting new games and services... Anyway, I think this account system (tied with old Club Nintendo and NNID) will be the first pillar for the NX, and maybe the Wii U and the New 3DS could later get a big OS update to transform these systems in some kind of "basic NX devices". That way they should keep selling this hardware even if the newer and more expensive SKUs are out (ala Gameboy Micro, 2DS, Wii mini).
2016
-January: They do a Nintendo Direct -or equivalent- showing 2016 line-up for Wii U and 3DS (SMTxFE, Pokken, Zelda, DLC for Mario Maker...). Also they'll introduce three or four currently unknown games planned for this year. No mention of the NX yet, but many rumors will begin at CES and beyond.
-February: More rumblings at D.I.C.E. but still no word from NCL. Maybe the classic Japanese newspaper leak will happen around this time like with previous hardware.
-March/April: Reaching FY's end Nintendo's new president will finally make a public statement about NX, but without showing anything: just a cryptic concept description that will make the internet explode in speculation. As they need to announce FY shipments for new hardware (if they plan to launch before Spring 2017), they should at least announce some basic plans (I'm thinking a speech at GDC maybe), or at least an announcement of an announcement.
-June: Before E3 starts, Nintendo could make a special event to officially unveil the NX systems: the handheld and the stationary console. Even if they're not launching them at the same time I think they need to show both to make a clear point of what is NX about. At E3 they should show some prototypes and games, and give us a provisional date for more information.
-Summer: There're several conferences and fairs at summer where Nintendo could show the machines and its games to build some hype, if they're smart. Spending some money to promote the systems as much as they can.
-September: If they plan to launch at least one of the SKUs before 2017, this month should be the best one to show us the final details and set a final price, date and line-up. And start the final marketing campaign.
-November: Lauch of at least one of the systems (I'd pick the stationary console above the handheld for many reasons). Announce a price drop for the Wii U (with Zelda U console pack) and New 3DS, maybe with a re-branding as NX-devices.
2017
-Launch of the other SKU before the end of the fiscal year.
/Trelawney possession off
2015 Fall
-DeNa-based Club Nintendo account presented and launch before year's end. Since Iwata's passing we didn't get any Nintendo Direct and I'm not sure if we'll get more of these or they'll adopt a different way for promoting new games and services... Anyway, I think this account system (tied with old Club Nintendo and NNID) will be the first pillar for the NX, and maybe the Wii U and the New 3DS could later get a big OS update to transform these systems in some kind of "basic NX devices". That way they should keep selling this hardware even if the newer and more expensive SKUs are out (ala Gameboy Micro, 2DS, Wii mini).
2016
-January: They do a Nintendo Direct -or equivalent- showing 2016 line-up for Wii U and 3DS (SMTxFE, Pokken, Zelda, DLC for Mario Maker...). Also they'll introduce three or four currently unknown games planned for this year. No mention of the NX yet, but many rumors will begin at CES and beyond.
-February: More rumblings at D.I.C.E. but still no word from NCL. Maybe the classic Japanese newspaper leak will happen around this time like with previous hardware.
-March/April: Reaching FY's end Nintendo's new president will finally make a public statement about NX, but without showing anything: just a cryptic concept description that will make the internet explode in speculation. As they need to announce FY shipments for new hardware (if they plan to launch before Spring 2017), they should at least announce some basic plans (I'm thinking a speech at GDC maybe), or at least an announcement of an announcement.
-June: Before E3 starts, Nintendo could make a special event to officially unveil the NX systems: the handheld and the stationary console. Even if they're not launching them at the same time I think they need to show both to make a clear point of what is NX about. At E3 they should show some prototypes and games, and give us a provisional date for more information.
-Summer: There're several conferences and fairs at summer where Nintendo could show the machines and its games to build some hype, if they're smart. Spending some money to promote the systems as much as they can.
-September: If they plan to launch at least one of the SKUs before 2017, this month should be the best one to show us the final details and set a final price, date and line-up. And start the final marketing campaign.
-November: Lauch of at least one of the systems (I'd pick the stationary console above the handheld for many reasons). Announce a price drop for the Wii U (with Zelda U console pack) and New 3DS, maybe with a re-branding as NX-devices.
2017
-Launch of the other SKU before the end of the fiscal year.
/Trelawney possession off
I keep struggling over this. Part of me thinks that it might be a shorter generation depending on how the hardware tech develops. Another part of me says that this generation started really really slow for AAA games so it might be here a while.
Personally I'm fine with my PS4 sticking around for a while. 2016 is where it is going to start hitting it's stride.
ShockingAlberto
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I sadly believe that ND's are a Iwata thing and Nintendo doesn't feels like doing it anymore (as Iwata Asks interviews). Or they don't want to do it until a new president is elected. Shibata should be a good candidate. I'm afraid that they delay some things like DeNa account system because NCL is just adapting itself and all their current plans are frozen.
Yeah, I agree. They need to talk about the NX every other week between E3 and launch day. Maybe not all the launch info, because some details won't get finalized until launch is near, but they definitely can't stay silent for so long like the painful summer of 2012.
Weekly "Nintendo Minute" videos with developer interviews, quick demos of games, details on the OS features, some secrets not unveiled at E3, even new game announcements... They don't need to make big events, just show some details every week to keep people talking about the console and games. And let the people play the demos at summer conferences or make a worldwide tour like they did in the past with 3DS.
Dr. Feel Good
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Not sure how anyone can think the system isn't launching next year.
The Wii U lineup is dead.
The Wii U lineup is dead.
Nostremitus
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I just want Wii U eshop compatibility.
In a perfect world I should just be able to connect my Wii U external HDD to the NX, sign in to my NNID account, and have access to all of my games.
Edit: wrong thread
In a perfect world I should just be able to connect my Wii U external HDD to the NX, sign in to my NNID account, and have access to all of my games.
Edit: wrong thread
Agreed. They could use Nintendo Minute to show smaller (but very important) details. Some subjects could be:
Virtual Console (Please for the love of God get this right)
NX eshop layout/features
Mii functionality (if they return)
New Miiverse layout/features (again, if they return)
OS walkthrough (could easily be a two part event)
Launch game previews (multiple weeks for sure)
More info on the new Club Nintendo
Your idea of weekly videos is very smart. Hype is going to be extremely important. Don't believe me? See PS4 at E3 2013.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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Direct/Digital Event should be hardware revisions/Software announcements only . New hardware they should have a live press conference for it. Even if they announce the NX in early 2016 E3 2016 they should have a live press conferences
Rest of 2015 is great. 2016 is Zelda, Project Treasure, SMT x FE. If the NX is supposed to come out in 2016, they could just release whatever they plan to release for the NX for the Wii U instead, theoretically. A full-fledged 3D Mario, for example. Line-up itself is hardly a factor here. You should have just said that the Wii U is dead which is certainly the case.
Milly Osworth
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So what are the odds of a 'normal' controller? No useless huge screen, no waving around, just a normal controller to play Mario and Zelda well.
I hope that's how they do it. I would like to know a bit more about the controller, the mobile part, and possibly even some mention of QoL.
Miyamoto or Reggie, although it would be a good time to push someone else into the spotlight.
Wii X and 3DX it is, then. ;D
Theognosis
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NX platform announcement is on E3 2016.
NX handheld (runs all Wii U games on eShop including Splatoon and Zelda U) will be released on holiday 2016.
NX home console with higher spec will be released on holiday 2017.
NX will be cartdridge-based. To save on space, all FMV's will be streamed while game content will be stored locally.
NX handheld (runs all Wii U games on eShop including Splatoon and Zelda U) will be released on holiday 2016.
NX home console with higher spec will be released on holiday 2017.
NX will be cartdridge-based. To save on space, all FMV's will be streamed while game content will be stored locally.
The ds4 isn't even a normal controller. Get used to it already
No way we are goin 10 years on this gen. It'll be lucky to last 6 or 7 before all 3 9th gen machines are out
The Artisan
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what?
to my knowledge it's been selling fine and it's got and is getting a slew of good games..
I unfortunately think that your postulation is lazy and dumb. "hand held in 2016 and console for 2017 for no intelligent reason".
1. The 3DS is outselling the Wii U by a good margin. The 3DS has higher profile first-party and third-party games coming out this year. The 3DS has a recent revision hardware with better specs.
2. The NX console and NX hand held have the same software library likely, why would it make sense to launch them a year apart. Plus, perhaps the systems have added connectivity - which again is ridiculous to separate them by a year.
3. The hand held has no competition. The console is clearly in a tech race with SONY and Microsoft. Delaying the console version a year is suicide.
Do we really think Nintendo will be in a position where they have a solid internet infrastructure, a new account system, two finished platforms with software, advertising, etc, in place for a 2016 holiday launch?
I hope they do, but it sounds like a pretty tall order, tbh.
Exterminieren
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It's not selling fine any more. While not as dead as the Wii U, it's still struggling hugely, and in need of replacement; particularly in the West, but even Japanese sales aren't what they were.
As for the upcoming software, the platform has had a very quiet year, and everything coming up is either a quick cheap game utilising assets developed for other games (AC:HHD, Triforce Heroes) or is being developed by a third party partner (Mario and Luigi, Federation Force). In terms of internal development, Nintendo essentially moved away from the 3DS back in 2013.
Hell, if you need evidence that the platform is on its last legs and they're just trying to drag it out for as long as possible, look at the New 3DS; a new hardware revision with a grand total of one piece of software for it. If the 3DS had a long-term future, would they not be investing more in the New 3DS?
Kissenkopf
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Their online is already fine. They just missing options in their games but their games have no server problems, their shop works fine and miiverse is the same so I don't know what you are talking about.
The software is the biggest problem...but if the rumor is true and you can play the gameson the console AND the handheld then they don't need to make games for two consoles anymore which should increase the output.
Graphics Horse
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Based on what? Nobody is saying they started yesterday. What kind of logistics information do we have that makes 2016 sound any less likely than 2017? The only thing I thought we knew was we'd see the beginnings of a new account system once the smart device games come out.
And Nintendo's internal efforts starting to slow down for both the Wii U & the 3DS.
Exterminieren
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They've been talking about the broad goals of the NX for years now. I wouldn't be surprised if they began speccing out the hardware and getting all their ducks in a row far earlier than we appreciated.
They're putting in the new infrastructure and account system into place with DeNA this year, at any rate.
ShockingAlberto
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It's down significantly YOY, especially in the west.
There's not a "slew" of great games. The big Christmas game this year is a several year old localization. The next big game is a spin-off of another big seller. The last big game was the maligned Codename STEAM which had a recent sale of $30 so the retailer could clear out its giant, unmoving inventory. The remainder of the 3DS lineup is pretty much just experimental spinoffs and compromised ports.
Yeah, theoretically you could leave it to wither on the vine like the Wii did with no good software for its last few years. As evidenced by history, that's a great way to hobble a successor right out of the gate.
ArkhamFantasy
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Very very low. I cant remember exactly what he said, but Iwata was talking about changing the way we play games again or something like that.
Nintendo's own 2016 lineups for both 3DS and Wii U are looking thin, with mostly contracted games. They do seem to be picking up more and more 3rd party 3DS localizations to fill things out, unfortunately that isn't an option on Wii U.
edit: listing it out.
3DS 2016
Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright / Conquest
Hyrule Warriors Legends
Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam
Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games
Metroid Prime: Federation Force
Picross 3D 2 (potential localization)
Rhythm Heaven: The Best+ (potential localization)
Style Savvy 3 (potential localization)
Bravely Second: End Layer (3rd Party)
Little Battlers Experience 2 (3rd Party potential localization)
Monster Strike (3rd Party potential localization)
Yo-Kai Watch 2 (3rd Party potential localization)
Yo-Kai Watch Busters (3rd Party potential localization)
Wii U 2016
Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games
Pokkén Tournament
Project Giant Robot (on hold?)
Project Guard (on hold?)
Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
The Legend of Zelda
Just Dance: Yo-Kai Watch Edition (3rd Party potential localization)
edit: listing it out.
3DS 2016
Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright / Conquest
Hyrule Warriors Legends
Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam
Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games
Metroid Prime: Federation Force
Picross 3D 2 (potential localization)
Rhythm Heaven: The Best+ (potential localization)
Style Savvy 3 (potential localization)
Bravely Second: End Layer (3rd Party)
Little Battlers Experience 2 (3rd Party potential localization)
Monster Strike (3rd Party potential localization)
Yo-Kai Watch 2 (3rd Party potential localization)
Yo-Kai Watch Busters (3rd Party potential localization)
Wii U 2016
Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games
Pokkén Tournament
Project Giant Robot (on hold?)
Project Guard (on hold?)
Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
The Legend of Zelda
Just Dance: Yo-Kai Watch Edition (3rd Party potential localization)
They won't wait until E3. The leaks will likely ramp up so much before then that it's probably better to do a big direct a bit earlier. Didn't Nikkei leak a ton of 3DS early and they denied it only to reveal it like a week later? Maybe I'm misremembering, but I doubt they want a repeat of that
MisterR
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The announcement of a new console is the biggest announcement a games company can make. You're kind of staking the future of your company on it. You don't do that on a recorded video. You want to hype this through the roof. They will have a special stage show for it like Sony and MS.
Milly Osworth
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Uh Id call the DS4 normal..
ArkhamFantasy
Member
They dont consider themselves competitors with Playstation or Xbox though.
E3 or around it 2016 and release Nov 2016 if Nintendo has the hardware ready for mass production. The console will need to be significantly more powerful than PS4, releasing 3-4 years later. Nintendo will still have a tough time if third-party aren't on board, trying to release when PS4/XB1 will continue getting big support.
Uh...what? lol
Uh...what? lol
Calamari41
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Or they could release a revision with those specs three years later, that can still play all the same games.
Oh man, I'd absolutely love it if Nintendo started localizing Taiko games out of desperation. Total dream scenario.
Exterminieren
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If the NX project goes as planned, they can release new SKUs around that time that play the same games, if they want.
Reading between the lines of what Iwata was saying about the NX program, they're playing this one similar to Apple's policy towards upgrades, with regular incremental updates.
Right, a big point was made about generational reset and the risk that brings every half decade or so. Nintendo wants to lock in their audience going forward and divorcing the platform (NX) from the discrete device (handheld, console, tablet, etc) is a smart way to go about doing that.
In theory NX should help solving two of Nintendo's biggest issues this gen: platform content droughts and generational audience retention. Both were huge pitfalls going from DS/Wii to 3DS/U.
Calamari41
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sörine;176275139 said:
Exactly. Generational transitions will be as smooth as a 3DS to 3DS XL transition going forward.
But how will 3rd parties respond to that?On the other hand most of them release on pc as well, so it might help with the scalability of the games
Calamari41
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Selling the same game to the combined audience of the NX Home, NX Handheld, NX Home 2, and NX Handheld 2 down the line should be pretty attractive. If all of this works out as planned, of course.
POWERSPHERE
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Man, that just hit me.