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So who do you think will have the better launch line up, Sony or MS?
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ChosenPredator
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MS seems to be hibernating at the moment..just waiting in the shadows so i think it will be them.
(all those dev pickups have me curious)
(all those dev pickups have me curious)
Monumental
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There's going to be so much backpedaling and broken dreams in a few months.
Let's just say that one company has been rumoured to be ahead in the schedule, has worked a lot more closely with 3rd party devs, and has had a better history of console launches than the other.
Let's just say that one company has been rumoured to be ahead in the schedule, has worked a lot more closely with 3rd party devs, and has had a better history of console launches than the other.
So Microsoft is going to have the better launch? Wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm hoping Microsoft have some tasty new IPs waiting to be unveiled.
Monumental
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It's no surprise to anyone that Sony has cultivated quite a few first party studios and established some strong teams. Microsoft has made better business decisions but in the end, 3rd parties exclusives are not as reliable as first party and that's why they've been establishing multiple studios over the past few years again.
But at the end of the day, a launch is all about organization, communication, software tools, and adherence to schedule. Things which Microsoft is infinitely more adept at than Sony.
The people mocking Microsoft ad laughing at their prospects are either too young, or too vested in their own biases to realize this. I do agree that Sony is in a better positions to plan out subsequent game releases in the first 16 months of release.
As many people are astutely pointing out, Microsoft will likely have the much better launch, its the post-launch schedule where they (and their newly created studios) will have to prove themselves against Sony.
Thinking the same. MicroSoft know how to have a great launch and they court 3rd parties like noone does. Plus this place is Sony central so its no too surprising to see which way they sway. No worries. Microsoft will be there come launch day. And with so many neew studios formed by them its gonna be a fun ride seeing new fresh IPs. But yeah come launch they'll be good to go. Their track record is pretty with console launches. Should be good.
Monumental
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Well no one can argue against the QUALITY of another Genji and Motorstorm. Maybe gamers are just too casual and stupid to have not bought those gems. I mean, what is a diverse launch such as PGR3, COD2, Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, Condemned, and Geometry Wars compared to the hardcore awesomeness of Resistance, Genji, and Motorstorm.
Or maybe more recently, gamers just weren't hardcore and smart enough to buy LBP Kart, or PSAll Stars or Wonderbook, instead they bought the gimmicky Halo and the casual Forza.
Give your snobby and elitist tone a rest.
Apparently, Sony supporting 3-4 New IPs near the end of this gen means that Microsoft has gone all casual, has absolutely no worthwhile IPs aside from Halo, Forza, and Gears, every one of their studios is making Kinect sequels, RARE only makes shit games, Microsoft has ADS everywhere, and their new console merely a Windows 8 trojan horse.
Let's forget the abysmal year Sony first party had in 2012.
Let's forget that Sony also tried to shoehorn Move and 3D into everything, and made a shitload of Move shovelware.
Let's forget all the focus Sony has spent over the past decade to make a casual and media-centric console (Eyetoy, Singstar, Blu-Ray, Move, Wonderbook, Kutaragi specifically saying PS3 is not a game console, it's a computer)
Let's forget the Microsoft has been harvesting big name talent for the past few years specifically to create hardcore titles.
Let's forget that pretty much every single RARE title released this gen has been 80%+ (Kameo, PDZ, Viva Pinata, B&K N&B)
Let's forget that pretty much every dev has come out in support of Durango and made claims that both next-gen systems are very close in power.
But no, let's just completely rewrite history and pick and choose which narratives we want to support to highlight the company we love and discredit any "rival" console.
Your post is as bad as theirs though. You're right on a few parts, but you're exaggerating a lot too.
SpinningBirdKick
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Both Sony and Microsoft will be disappointing in their own special way.
Launch and launch window software is always meh.
Launch and launch window software is always meh.
Microsoft.
MS has been putting dollars into setting up studios for next Gen.
Sony has been concentrating on PS3.
Sony has shown they're not quick to learn from mistakes, and look at the PS2 and PS3 launch titles, compared to the Xbox and 360 launch titles.
Happy to be proven wrong.
MS has been putting dollars into setting up studios for next Gen.
Sony has been concentrating on PS3.
Sony has shown they're not quick to learn from mistakes, and look at the PS2 and PS3 launch titles, compared to the Xbox and 360 launch titles.
Happy to be proven wrong.
I'm not sure Microsoft rushing to ditch the 360 whilst Sony continues supporting the PS3, is necessarily a mistake on Sony's part.
You're reading stuff from my post that I never said, and isn't true, and isn't even related to the OP' s question.
You're right.
Crackdown, Alan Wake, Banjo, Perfect Dark, Viva Piñata, Kameo, Forza, Gears, Dance Central, Project Gotham and Blue Dragon all suck balls.
Then all the other long dormant IPs they own that they could or could be resurrecting suck too.
How dare anyone not think Sony is the only company with quality IPs that also back up their unquestioned quality with sales that also match and or surpass their Microsoft counterparts.
CambriaRising
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Ms has been showing a lot of Sony-circa-2005 vibes as of late. Next gen is going to be interesting.
They've been around for 2 generations.
Both times they used the first year or two to launch their new IPs.
Right now I see no reason for things to be any different for the next generation.
SolarPowered
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Sony has more first party studios and they'll probably get competent third party ports. They have to be aware of Nintendo's flubs and they probably want to avoid that.
Well, I hope you're right.
Microsoft's got a bunch of guys working on next-gen stuff. They backed off during the financial crisis in 2008-2009, which is why we didn't see many games from them in 2010-2011, and by then, they'd solidified their Nextbox plans, so even if people had started developing games in 2010 for launch in 2012, it's likely that Microsoft held the stuff off for the next fall--the Nextbox's launch window.
Everybody from Rare to Black Tusk to 343 is working on AAA stuff. Plus, Harrison, who was responsible for Sony having a nice, diverse portfolio of games (granted, most of Sony's games aren't really up to par with traditional AAA games--it's not like Infamous tops Arkham City or anything), is now running things at Microsoft Europe.
On top of that, Microsoft tends to experiment with a LOT of different stuff, then abandon what fails and focus on what works. They did it with the Xbox (stuff like Munch's Oddysee, Fable, Shenmue 2, Otogi, Jet Set Radio Future, etc), and then with the 360 (Crackdown, Kameo, Viva Pinata, etc).
Sony is most likely to launch some new shit, and it'll get the Sony fans all excited, but I'm willing to be that Microsoft will have both more experimental and more successful games (dat 360 attach rate).
Everybody from Rare to Black Tusk to 343 is working on AAA stuff. Plus, Harrison, who was responsible for Sony having a nice, diverse portfolio of games (granted, most of Sony's games aren't really up to par with traditional AAA games--it's not like Infamous tops Arkham City or anything), is now running things at Microsoft Europe.
On top of that, Microsoft tends to experiment with a LOT of different stuff, then abandon what fails and focus on what works. They did it with the Xbox (stuff like Munch's Oddysee, Fable, Shenmue 2, Otogi, Jet Set Radio Future, etc), and then with the 360 (Crackdown, Kameo, Viva Pinata, etc).
Sony is most likely to launch some new shit, and it'll get the Sony fans all excited, but I'm willing to be that Microsoft will have both more experimental and more successful games (dat 360 attach rate).
The bolded is true, but that's not a bad thing and definitely not an indicator of their PS4 focus by any means.
And also people keep bringing up third party exclusives for the next xbox, and I agree. It will be a very strong part of their line up. But Sony will have those too. All in all I think we will get two great launch line ups where only personal taste will be the determining factor of which is the better one.
tired of Gears, tried Viva Piñata (not my type of game) and Kameo (underwhelming), mildly interested in a new Forza and PGR game. Banjo is the only franchise of those listed here that I really care about. I'm not convinced
Obviously, as my last post said, I'm expecting Microsoft to start announcing a lot of new IPs. They were a lot more conservative with their game spending last gen, and it made sense--no need to take a risk. While most people were complaining about them not having many exclusives, I was trying to get over my favorite developers, Ensemble, FASA, and ACES, get shut down. Microsoft decided to batten down the hatches.
Now, though? They're launching a new console, and the PS3's been catching up with the 360 worldwide. This is do or die time, and most of their gaming side has been pretty much silent for the past three years or so.
But, even if they were [AND THIS IS SO FUCKING UNLIKELY I CAN NOT BEGIN TO EXPRESS JUST HOW MUCH] just going to do the same old IPs they owned...
I don't know how anyone can't love Viva Pinata. Trouble in Paradise fixes all of the original's problems and is one of the best games I have ever had the pleasure of playing.
Forza Horizon was a really fucking cool game. I haven't had such a huge, stupid grin on my face in ages.
Rare is working on one or two new AAA games. We don't know what they are yet.
I guess you haven't played Crackdown, Alan Wake, Dance Central, or Blue Dragon?
Now, though? They're launching a new console, and the PS3's been catching up with the 360 worldwide. This is do or die time, and most of their gaming side has been pretty much silent for the past three years or so.
But, even if they were [AND THIS IS SO FUCKING UNLIKELY I CAN NOT BEGIN TO EXPRESS JUST HOW MUCH] just going to do the same old IPs they owned...
I don't know how anyone can't love Viva Pinata. Trouble in Paradise fixes all of the original's problems and is one of the best games I have ever had the pleasure of playing.
Forza Horizon was a really fucking cool game. I haven't had such a huge, stupid grin on my face in ages.
Rare is working on one or two new AAA games. We don't know what they are yet.
I guess you haven't played Crackdown, Alan Wake, Dance Central, or Blue Dragon?
I never said it was a bad thing.
I'm working off the assumption that if they're putting more effort into PS3 and Microsoft is putting more into the NEW Xbox, then the next Xbox would most likely have a better launch line up.
Sorry didn't mean to put words in your mouth. Was a general statement more than anything. It just shows they are comfortable enough with what they have for next gen to release games like GOW and TLOU for the ps3 so late in the gen.
And they have SO many first party devs working on unannounced titles for years now. I think they will take the Orbis launch very seriously, much more so than the ps3 one. For example
GG: Rumored to be making KZ for ps4 + a game with RPG elements
Sony Santa Monica: Stig is making a game
Sucker Punch: Rumored to be working on two titles as well. Been a good while since Infamous 2 and FOB
MM: R&D Project
Evolution Studios: Definitely 1-2 games in the making
Naughty Dog: One team is free after UC3 in 2011
you get the idea
I think we are in for a real treat. I expect some solid titles from the Eastern third parties as well.Also at this point I wouldn't be surprised if games like Versus (I still think this will go multi) and The Last Guardian are next gen, or at least ps3/4 multiplat releases
edit: Almost forgot, Planetside 2 is heavily hinted too
on paper, I should have loved Trouble of Paradies, but I stopped playing after a day. It's tedious, the game tells you exactly how to build your garden in order to get new pinatas instead of rewarding free play, and then all you do in Viva Pinata is unlocking pinatas. You don't build your own ecosystem, you just follow instructions. Besides, the garden size is very restrictive.
Forza Horizon is very likely one of the next games I'm going to get since someone wants to play it online with me
played a bit of Crackdown and Dance Central, but I don't really want any of these
Gemüsepizza
Member
I am not so sure Microsoft will get many exclusives from Epic this time. I could imagine they are a little bit disappointed with the hardware (if those rumors about the weaker hardware are true).
should have put them to work on Vita.
Phaethon0017
Member
I'm guessing Sony. All those games that never made it this generation must be accruing somewhere right?
Microsoft should have made Halo 4 a launch title. I don't see either having very compelling software. 3rd party to the rescue?
Microsoft should have made Halo 4 a launch title. I don't see either having very compelling software. 3rd party to the rescue?
Phonomezer
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Yeah. It's waaaay too early to call anything, we don't even have concrete information on the new consoles yet, at least, not from the manufacturers themselves.
PS3 launch games were dreadful tho.
I think/hope they learned their lesson. PS Vita was pretty decent.
I obviously haven't been paying attention. I mean there's the new London studio, but that seemed last time I looked to be focused on non-console gaming. And of course 343.
What other studios have they setup lately?
I foresee a wide swath of third party titles being readied for launch. If that's the case, the console makers would be better served to only put out a few first party titles each. Put out too many at once and they risk cannibalizing sales from other games, since most people will likely only buy one or two at launch. So I see Microsoft having Gears, Forza, and maybe Alan Wake 2 or Ryse, while Sony will similarly have a shooter, a racer, and an action game. I could also see Microsoft putting out a few Kinect games at launch, but that's supposing they decide to push Kinect from the very beginning. If they do push Kinect out of the gate, I can see those games being Ryse, Dance Central 4, and Kinect Sports 3. They wouldn't focus on kids' games at launch, since most kids aren't going to be getting $450 consoles as Christmas presents. But the kids' games will certainly come in year two or three.
Within the first year, we'll see Microsoft subsidize some high profile third party exclusives. I imagine they're in talks with Ubisoft, Capcom, and perhaps Bioware to fulfill this end. Sony will rely solely on its in-house developers, and they could have any number of projects cooking.
On the downloadable front, Microsoft probably already has a few games in the chamber. I bet they hold back some Summer of Arcade games to launch with their new system. Sony will make some efforts in this regard, but will likely be outdone by Microsoft.
They bought Twisted Pixel, and they've set up something like 10 studios working on untitled projects. I may be wrong, but most of them don't seem like AAA oriented studios. The majority of them are probably being set up to make Kinect games, or just to aid other studios in development. If a third party is having trouble making its first 720 game, Microsoft could even conceivably shift these resources to help them release in a more timely manner. I wouldn't be shocked if several of these studios get shuttered or consolidated within a few years after launch.
Within the first year, we'll see Microsoft subsidize some high profile third party exclusives. I imagine they're in talks with Ubisoft, Capcom, and perhaps Bioware to fulfill this end. Sony will rely solely on its in-house developers, and they could have any number of projects cooking.
On the downloadable front, Microsoft probably already has a few games in the chamber. I bet they hold back some Summer of Arcade games to launch with their new system. Sony will make some efforts in this regard, but will likely be outdone by Microsoft.
They bought Twisted Pixel, and they've set up something like 10 studios working on untitled projects. I may be wrong, but most of them don't seem like AAA oriented studios. The majority of them are probably being set up to make Kinect games, or just to aid other studios in development. If a third party is having trouble making its first 720 game, Microsoft could even conceivably shift these resources to help them release in a more timely manner. I wouldn't be shocked if several of these studios get shuttered or consolidated within a few years after launch.
ChosenPredator
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lots of people doubting Microsoft lately which I think is a good thing right now because if they hit it off great at E3 it can take a lot of people by surprise.
lots of positive vibes with PS4 though which isn't bad but I don't think Nintendo or Microsoft should be underestimated
lots of positive vibes with PS4 though which isn't bad but I don't think Nintendo or Microsoft should be underestimated
jeremy1456
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Maybe it would be best to compare both companies' last two home console launches. It wouldn't be very favorable to Sony to do so though.
Yeah, I don't think the last few years' output is at all indicative of what Microsoft will offer at the beginning of next gen. It would be foolish to rely almost entirely on third parties at the beginning of a console cycle.
ezekielpacman
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Sony based on Vita.
I want a 4k Fantavision, imagine the delights.
I want a 4k Fantavision, imagine the delights.
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