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So who else is tired of ebonics in films ?
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I despise Wanda Sykes more than any living actor or actress. I don't know if the drivel that falls out of her mouth is ebonics or what, but listening to her purposefully butcher the English language while playing the same shitheaded role in everything she does is irritating beyond belief.
So yeah, I agree OP.
So yeah, I agree OP.
Why would you do that?
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TxdoHawk said:
That's amazing.bjork said:
Edit: I meant KevinCow's video, but accidentally quoted Bjork. Oh well.
Sho_Nuff82
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I have a friend who hates Boondocks because he thinks that all of McGruder's work is a minstrel show, even though he makes fun of the black thug stereotype whenever possible. He says it's harmful to blacks to allow others to make light of our perceived cultural shortcomings and language quirks, a similar rationale used by Dave Chapelle (ie they're-laughing-at-us-not-with-us).
On the other hand, he religiously watches documentaries on famous black gang members, Tupac, and Notorious BIG, downloads Cash Money's semi-daily international tour bus/plane footage (w/ Baby and Lil Wayne), and listens exclusively to gangster rap.
I really wanted to send him a umad.jpeg after his reaction to the "Nigga moments" clip.
I don't really see anything wrong with people speaking in slang (I grew up doing it too), but to cling to it like it's some kind of sacred cow that needs to be preserved at all costs, just seems silly to me. I wouldn't expect to be taken seriously in the world if I spent my entire professional career speaking like a valley kid, a guido, or a country bumpkin, and I don't think the pressure to conform to those regional dialects to be seen as "real" is as strong as it is in the black community.
On the other hand, he religiously watches documentaries on famous black gang members, Tupac, and Notorious BIG, downloads Cash Money's semi-daily international tour bus/plane footage (w/ Baby and Lil Wayne), and listens exclusively to gangster rap.
I really wanted to send him a umad.jpeg after his reaction to the "Nigga moments" clip.
I don't really see anything wrong with people speaking in slang (I grew up doing it too), but to cling to it like it's some kind of sacred cow that needs to be preserved at all costs, just seems silly to me. I wouldn't expect to be taken seriously in the world if I spent my entire professional career speaking like a valley kid, a guido, or a country bumpkin, and I don't think the pressure to conform to those regional dialects to be seen as "real" is as strong as it is in the black community.
polyh3dron
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Censored-for-TV ebonics is way better.
Anyone here ever seen Juice on TV where every instance of "shit" is replaced with "spit"?
Anyone here ever seen Juice on TV where every instance of "shit" is replaced with "spit"?
BattleMonkey
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Jibril said:
If we can make it illegal in real life too.
faridmon said:
Technical definition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebonics
Personal definition: A term used to legitimize illiterate uneducated morons within the black community all over the world.
Sho_Nuff82
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Himuro said:
I wouldn't call him a hypocrite, just misguided. Despite being educated, he idolizes the lavish lifestyle, jet-setting, and womanizing of these so-called gangstas, and I think he naturally takes offense to anything that pokes fun at them.
As far as hip-hop heads go he's definitely into the music.
A little butthurt goes a long way.
Black professors of political science etc., should not be allowed to invent really lame sounding terms like "Ebonics."
It's like the world's laziest branding. "Ebonics! It's a derivative of the word "Ebony" because you know, black!"
It already had a name. It was called "colloquial" which not only didn't rely on lazy stereotyping of a myriad of cultures based solely on actual color, that is to say hue, but also acceded to the fact that "ebonics" has more to do with income and infrastructure than any misguided idea of genetics or nationalism.
I'm dead wrong right now, because black history in America is tainted not only by the period leading to the civil war, but by the South's recalcitrance until as recently as like, yesterday. But I hope to fucking god that we're not still separating the poor in this country by skin tone and completely imagined "differences" in a hundred years or so.
What does Barrack Obama have in common with 50 Cent, other than a vague spectrum of skin color? Sweet fuck all. Neither of them even understands what the other is really about. But the media, and I guess we, lump people into groupings based on that shade, not their background, their education, their income, any of the shit that actually exists outside of our eyeballs.
I come from a country where everyone is effectively white. And guess what? Our poor and undereducated people all have a very distinct accent and set of colloquialisms too. And our rich elites speak with distinct accents and dialects too.
If we can't as a society get over actual Pantone variants, then we all need to start humping each other until we're golden brown with silky luscious curls, IMO. I already put my money where my mouth is.
It's like the world's laziest branding. "Ebonics! It's a derivative of the word "Ebony" because you know, black!"
It already had a name. It was called "colloquial" which not only didn't rely on lazy stereotyping of a myriad of cultures based solely on actual color, that is to say hue, but also acceded to the fact that "ebonics" has more to do with income and infrastructure than any misguided idea of genetics or nationalism.
I'm dead wrong right now, because black history in America is tainted not only by the period leading to the civil war, but by the South's recalcitrance until as recently as like, yesterday. But I hope to fucking god that we're not still separating the poor in this country by skin tone and completely imagined "differences" in a hundred years or so.
What does Barrack Obama have in common with 50 Cent, other than a vague spectrum of skin color? Sweet fuck all. Neither of them even understands what the other is really about. But the media, and I guess we, lump people into groupings based on that shade, not their background, their education, their income, any of the shit that actually exists outside of our eyeballs.
I come from a country where everyone is effectively white. And guess what? Our poor and undereducated people all have a very distinct accent and set of colloquialisms too. And our rich elites speak with distinct accents and dialects too.
If we can't as a society get over actual Pantone variants, then we all need to start humping each other until we're golden brown with silky luscious curls, IMO. I already put my money where my mouth is.
NekoFever
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The first Transformers is guilty of this. One of the guys randomly keeps slipping into Spanish when talking about eating his grandmother's alligator. And he keeps getting told to speak English.gdt5016 said:
Couple it with Revenge of the Fallen and we can conclude that Michael Bay hates... everyone, for subjecting us to that shit.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
I'm tired of ebonics period.
English mother fucker do you speak it?
English mother fucker do you speak it?
Phobophile
A scientist and gentleman in the manner of Batman.
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT.
Killa Sasa
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This honky grandma BE TRIPPIN
But actually, it is starting to get annoying when its used in a non-sarcastic way in films
But actually, it is starting to get annoying when its used in a non-sarcastic way in films
victreeb3l
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Damn N****, be easy.
The Take Out Bandit
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xelios said:
I was thinking Two Girls, One Cup.
Yeah, just speak the common English please folks.
Phobophile said:
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT.
:lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUjh9Id6Id8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYuA2KD7jpA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QpWKu98h3I
The Take Out Bandit
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:lol :lol :loljon bones said:
Metalic Sand
who is Emo-Beas?
Im tired of it in real life.
Sho_Nuff82
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jon bones said:
Honest to god one of my friends dated a guy in a Journey cover band. So I say to her and her friends, "A Journey cover band? Don't they really only have that one song?" and I got DAGGERS stared through me.
LiveFromKyoto
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I like ebonics. In fact, I think we need more of it. Every movie should have a Samuel L character. Like, how much better would all those Sandra Bullock romcoms be with that? Or Kirk Cameron movies?
SapientWolf
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I think there's some cultural elements to slang that transcends education or economic status. It can be a type of social bonding. People want to talk like the people they identify with the most.OuterWorldVoice said:
I've also noticed that most people drop their slang when they're conducting business on the phone.
Hmm, this is how I talk. But I can also speak "properly," so to speak. So I'm not annoyed by it (it's what I grew up around).
Unless it's really really bad, in which case it's natural (but still annoying), and that's not what OP is talking about, since in films it's simply imitated.
Also, the sarcastic posts of "ebonic speak" aren't even close to funny.
Unless it's really really bad, in which case it's natural (but still annoying), and that's not what OP is talking about, since in films it's simply imitated.
Also, the sarcastic posts of "ebonic speak" aren't even close to funny.
Why would you do that?
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Fixed.RbBrdMan said:
viciouskillersquirrel
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For the record, linguists hate the word “ebonics” and prefer etymologically correct terms like Black American English for the dialect. Ebonics is basically a portmanteau of the words “ebony” and “phonics”, neither of which describes adequately what the dialect is.
ItÂ’s a valuable cultural artifact and needs to be preserved in art (you could make the same argument about Cajun or Canadian French), but should never take the place of Standard American English in business, academia or national life (you shouldnÂ’t teach it in schools for instance).
So yeah, if a movie wants to accurately portray, describe or capture the way a vernacular is used, let it, especially if it enhances the art. HugoÂ’s Les Miserables did this well with its description of the Parisian vernacular dialect Argot. If itÂ’s inserted for the sake of playing to a stereotype, however, itÂ’s rather a different situation.
ItÂ’s a valuable cultural artifact and needs to be preserved in art (you could make the same argument about Cajun or Canadian French), but should never take the place of Standard American English in business, academia or national life (you shouldnÂ’t teach it in schools for instance).
So yeah, if a movie wants to accurately portray, describe or capture the way a vernacular is used, let it, especially if it enhances the art. HugoÂ’s Les Miserables did this well with its description of the Parisian vernacular dialect Argot. If itÂ’s inserted for the sake of playing to a stereotype, however, itÂ’s rather a different situation.
Oh, so that's what it's called. Don't like it in movies, don't like it in real life. I especially cringe when my friends use something like "Yo, Bro" *vomits* even though they don't even talk in that kind of language normally. In my experience so far, douchebags like to use that kind of greetings ("Bro") and I don't want my friends to turn into one.
Why would you do that?
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Yeah, that's mostly what I care about, or if you have that one character that awkwardly speaks in ebonics all the time, kind of comedic relief, and is out of place within the movie. Otherwise, I don't care. I don't understand all of the people saying that they hate ebonics as a whole, but then again, I live in a neighborhood where most speak that way, so yeah...viciouskillersquirrel said:
Man, Barret was the shit. How did they do it in the Japanese version?Catalix said:No medium is safe.
Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGrwfqGIx1M
loosus said:
No, not really. Have you grew up around it, though? I hate 'ebonics' but like AAV (African-American Vernacular). It's an entirely different language in itself. Now before ppl jump on me for condoning the destructive language that's plaguing the community blah..blah..blah, I think it's full of color and rich with the history of black southern ancestors. Of course you can't use the language in class or on a job/interview but I'd say it's acceptable amonst the community, friends and family and the like. Most ppl don't know this but there are actually rules and guidelines to AAV. As long as people are taught that there's a time and place to speak it, I don't have a problem with it.
Like my linguistics professor told me: There's no "correct" way to speak.
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