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So, why are boss names considered spoilers now?

I think that the intended order of storytelling is important, especially games with a more measured level of pacing. Its always better for a game to unfold on its own terms, rather than your prior knowledge creeping its way into your expectations.
 
Because people want to explore the universe themselves, bosses in Souls game have a lot of back ground story, some possibly even have connections to previous games.

Bosses in Souls games aren't just generic big monsters for you to kill. They are the story, they are the character, they are the universe.

It's not like Megaman games where bosses are there just to challenge you, nothing more.
Souls games are more like Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, where every boss is a surprise and there's a sense of reward finding secret areas and secret bosses on your own.
Not to mention each area and bosses have their own lore and story.
 
I'm going to be really upset if the title of the FFVII Remake isn't "Aerith dies"

Actually, is that claimed yet?

I've gone on media blackout, I get it. And in a lot of genres (RPGs and action games mainly) Boss names can be spoilers. But sometimes the information just isn't a big deal. I don't want to see people in the crash remake threads upset that someone mentioned Tiny Tiger being the third boss.

And at some point, you do need enough info to know whether you want to buy the game or not after all.
 
CanUKlehead said:
I was annoyed when I got names of characters in the friggin Logan film.

Knew nothing of Star Wars 7 except for what was on the poster.

When I stared reading a preview of Dishonored years ago in Edge, it caught my eye and I avoided media on it afte; didn't even realisse there were powers.

I go in cold as much as I can.

That said, I understand I'll accidentally run into spoilers.
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Going completely blind on Logan made me hate the movie. Was expecting a regular xmen movie and ended up with a realistic take on the super hero theme... we almost left mid movie.
 
Soul of the Beast said:
Because people want to explore the universe themselves, bosses in Souls game have a lot of back ground story, some possibly even have connections to previous games.

Bosses in Souls games aren't just generic big monsters like ''Big snake'', ''Big bat'', ''Big Troll'', they are the story, they are the character, they are the universe.
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There are quite a few bosses with names like that though. Taurus Demon, Tower Knight, Ancient Wyvern, Bloodletting Beast, etc.
 
Toxi said:
There are quite a few bosses with names like that. Taurus Demon, Tower Knight, Ancient Wyvern, Bloodletting Beast, etc.
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Yeah no doubt, they are there to make unique bosses feel more unique. That doens't mean they don't have back ground story though.
The story of Tower Knight is very interesting because he is a major character in the Kingdom of Boletaria that we heard about quite a bit.

Some people take spoilers to far, but I think not wanting to see the boss names is very a reasonable feeling.
 
Well, I mean, bosses are often named with intention behind their name. There's a lot in a name, as it may describe the bosses temperament, characteristics, type of creature he is, or just give a general idea of the bosses' characteristics. For many gamers like myself, I do believe that I want everything to be a surprise.

For example, if I was playing BioShock 4 released in 2017 (MAKE IT HAPPEN!), there's no way in hell I would want to know the names of any of the bosses until I got to them in the level (well, good bosses anyway). Say, if each main stage had a unique boss at the end, I only want to the information leading up to an encounter to keep me guessing. Sometimes, you just want everything to remain a mystery until you see it first hand.
 
BassForever said:
Games where ganon/ganondorf isn't the final boss

Zelda 2 The Adventure Of Link
Link's Awakening*
Majora's Mask
Four Swords
Minish Cap
Link's Crossbow Training
Phantom Hourglass
Spirit Tracks
Skyward Sword**
A Link Between Worlds
Triforce Heroes
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Oh man look at all these spoilers.
 
Toxi said:
...Just use the spoiler tags and discuss it anyway?
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it makes it hard to have any discussion because people don't know what they can and can't click. you just have to hope someone is willing to take the risk

in the BOTW OT people were posting like:
regarding
the enemy in the place with the thing and the stuff
can i
use the weapon that i found
in
the town
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people were spoiler-ing stuff like
Zora
and
Ganon
.
 
DarkoMaledictus said:
Going completely blind on Logan made me hate the movie. Was expecting a regular xmen movie and ended up with a realistic take on the super hero theme... we almost left mid movie.
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Definitely a risk.

LIke buying a game without knowing about (not necessarily reading) reviews, though. I wouldn't watch a movie or play a game if I had completely no idea, to be fair.

Sucks for you though, man :(
 
Toxi said:
...Just use the spoiler tags and discuss it anyway?
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How do you discern what to tag and how do others discern what to click? If the amount of Korok seeds in Zelda can be considered a spoiler, then do you tag every mundane thing and annotate it? Why would someone who would be upset with that kind of information even enter a thread about the game (although it does get harder in miscellaneous topics)?
 
snow in jamaica said:
How do you discern what to tag and how do others discern what to click? If the amount of Korok seeds in Zelda can be considered a spoiler, then do you tag every mundane thing and annotate it? Why would someone who would be upset with that kind of information even enter a thread about the game (although it does get harder in miscellaneous topics)?
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Well that's an extreme case. You just write vague but specific details that the initiated can recognize. Here's an example of putting spoilers for said game.

OMG! I just traveled to that place south of Hateno Bay!
Not going to put the spoiler here but you can see the point

With just the location, people who know the place will already know what you're talking about and can check it out without fear of getting spoiled by something else. The uninformed know there's something south of that bay but they still don't know what. They might forget reading your post too since it doesn't relate to them so that location may not stick with them.
 
Korok seed one was a thread title. I avoid all Zelda threads and expect thread titles to avoid such potential spoilers. Could have easily been 'man discovers all korok seeds in BOTW' amd served its function fine.
 
Yoshimitsu126 said:
Well that's an extreme case. You just write vague but specific details that the initiated can recognize. Here's an example of putting spoilers for said game.

OMG! I just traveled to that place south of Hateno Bay!
Not going to put the spoiler here but you can see the point

With just the location, people who know the place will already know what you're talking about and can check it out without fear of getting spoiled by something else. The uninformed know there's something south of that bay but they still don't know what. They might forget reading your post too since it doesn't relate to them so that location may not stick with them.
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Yeah, I guess I don't really know I was trying to say. Tags do get inconsistent though so it gets weird trying to figure out what to tag sometimes.
 
Reminds me of the dude who made the Zelda OT freaking out in the Eventide thread. He clicks on the thread, reads the OP and is mad because now he knows there's an Eventide island. Spoiler tagging random ass location names is super annoying to me.
 
The Zelda thread is out of control with the spoiler tags. You can't click on anything before you finish the game because a post might be spoiling either the gibberish name of a shrine or the ending of the game. If you don't want to know absolute basic info, which includes shit on the back cover of the game case (I shit you not), get the fuck out of the official thread.
 
Hazmat said:
The Zelda thread is out of control with the spoiler tags. You can't click on anything before you finish the game because a post might be spoiling either the gibberish name of a shrine or the ending of the game. If you don't want to know absolute basic info, which includes shit on the back cover of the game case (I shit you not), get the fuck out of the official thread.
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Are they seriously spoiler tagging the shrine names? Don't know if I should laugh or cry.
 
Because some people take the concept of what is a spoiler to the extreme and what constitutes spoiler culture is ridiculous.
 
Spoiler culture does tend to get ridiculous to the point of prohibiting conversation but...let's say the names of the bossed from Dark Souls 3's the Ringed City got leaked. If one of them was called Velka, the Furtive Pygmy, Primordial Serpent, Gwyn---- it'd be a big deal for story and lore so should be a spoiler.

Demon in Pain and Demon from Below on the other hand say very little to nothing. It would be cool if Gaf had something where is a thread was marked with a spoiler tag, it'd make you click OK when you clicked on it. Galf the time it seems like people go into spoiler threads without realising.
 
Because we've been too accommodating to spoilerphobes. Remove the spoilerfunction and don't change thread titles on GAF for, say, 3 years and the balance will be restored.
 
I can still understand some Souls' boss names being spoilerish, but someone told me that Nioh boss names were spoiler. What the hell? Has everybody become an expert in Japanese culture?
 
guess i must pretty annoying to some people here sadly.... Most of the games i want to play, i go totally blind, i try to know as little as possible

Persona 5, i don't know anything outside the very first trailer, don't even know the full cast! Didn't listened to any music, and so on!

Same for MGSV, didn't knew anything (and i'm glad i didn't, the trailers spoiled A LOT of things)

Also i was spoiled about BOTW.... sure, it's not a big thing, but it's still pretty annoying to be robbed from the surprise, like i was spoiled about the
deku tree
being in the game! Like i said, not a big thing but i wish i had the surprise while playing the game (especially since it's all about exploration and finding new things)

And yes boss names are spoilers, since you can learn about them long before facing them!

either use spoiler tag, or go to the spoiler thread, it's not that hard! I won't act like it's the end of the world if you spoil me or someone else, i'm not crazy, but just try at least

Also the most simple thing is not putting spoilers in the thread title, no matter how tiny it is... Inside the thread, you could argue that it's our fault since we willingly come into the thread were there's a risk, and i understand that.... but a thread title, we don't have any choice about that, we're spoiled regardless if we want it or not
 
JayhawkerStL said:
It's the the dumbest thing in all media.

I took an honors English class, Novels into Film, where we read Victorian literature and contrasted them with their film versions. Great class. I shit you not, there were times when people had not done the erasing that the professor held back, so as not to spoil the book.

You have people hiding their eyes during movie previews, enforcing spoiler warnings for scenes of next weeks' episodes of shows and the names of actors hired for films, and equating that with revealing surprise twists in stories and the final score of basketball game.

It is entitlement gone mad. So of course it is prevalent in gamer culture.
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Agreed. It's not even like it's proven that spoilers "spoil" the experience. In fact, most research into spoilers agrees that the more people know about a tv show/book/film/game, the more people enjoy them.
 
Yoshimitsu126 said:
Well that's an extreme case. You just write vague but specific details that the initiated can recognize. Here's an example of putting spoilers for said game.

OMG! I just traveled to that place south of Hateno Bay!
Not going to put the spoiler here but you can see the point

With just the location, people who know the place will already know what you're talking about and can check it out without fear of getting spoiled by something else. The uninformed know there's something south of that bay but they still don't know what. They might forget reading your post too since it doesn't relate to them so that location may not stick with them.
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But even that would be a spoiler for some. There's gonna be folk that don't know what Hateno Bay is and you just named off something that they haven't experienced.

I shit you not I got yelled at for a FF15 spoiler from the first 5 min of the game...in a Final Fantasy thread!
At that point I just wanted to give the fuck up. The worst part was that I was just making an observation, yet somehow it was considered a spoiler because my observation might have been correct and we weren't necessarily supposed to know.....

Wtf....

The "spoiler" by the way was
I asked if that could possibly be Ifrit at the beginning
 
Only seems relevant if the boss is someone that was considered an ally to the main characters or at least a good to neutral character. I'd also throw in the unexpected bosses (though in a way some of it is due to a terrible implementation).
 
JayhawkerStL said:
It's the the dumbest thing in all media.

I took an honors English class, Novels into Film, where we read Victorian literature and contrasted them with their film versions. Great class. I shit you not, there were times when people had not done the erasing that the professor held back, so as not to spoil the book.

You have people hiding their eyes during movie previews
, enforcing spoiler warnings for scenes of next weeks' episodes of shows and the names of actors hired for films, and equating that with revealing surprise twists in stories and the final score of basketball game.

It is entitlement gone mad. So of course it is prevalent in gamer culture.
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I'm guilty of that, even blocking my ears with my hands, i know it sounds and probably looks ridiculous, but i don't bother anyone by doing that at least! Or does it looks like that when i do it ?

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This kind of stuff mainly annoys me because I want to know elements like this going into a game, but not plot-specific details, and I basically have to avoid the former by accident sometimes because people will mark it as spoilers or it won't be allowed in non-spoiler discussion topics.
 
Yeah, "spoiler culture" has really gotten nuts. The people who avoid spoiling press conferences are probably the most bizarre to me. I def prefer not to have a story spoiled but I put the burden on myself to avoid them as best I can. I haven't started Zelda yet, so I'm not going to read the OT, articles, or other topics about it.
 
Something like "Old Guardsman" isn't a spoiler and shouldn't count. Something like "Joey" that character from the first five minutes who was your best friend who ends up being the final boss in a shocking twist definitely counts.
 
Zomba13 said:
Something like "Old Guardsman" isn't a spoiler
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You son of a bitch how god damned dare you! I was just starting "Ninja Warrior X: Samurai's Revenge 3: Revenge Hardest", and I had no idea he would be the opening boss of the tutorial level despite being in every trailer of the game, the e3 reveal, on both the front and back of the boxart, talked about in previews, featured in internet ads, and was personally quoted by the game's director as an interesting boss fight a year before the game came out. You are a fucking monster, what the fuck is wrong with you?! Ruining people's video game times?! Come on man, just COME ON!!!!!!
 
I once mentioned "Lava Centipede" in a Souls Thread and some guys flipped, because now the knew there would be a Centipede Boss, that is fire based..
 
Randam said:
I once mentioned "Lava Centipede" in a Souls Thread and some guys flipped, because now the knew there would be a Centipede Boss, that is fire based..
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As someone who's put over a hundred hours into every souls game and bloodborne, I can not stand the community for this reason.

The OT is *always* unreadable because "spoilers" and discussions on what they are dominate everything to the point the entire thing is black barred to the point it's like reading a National Security Memorandum on the JFK assassination. I wish the mods would do their jobs and clean it up, but I guess 100 pages of 25% readable text on first glance is considered "discussion" around these parts, I don't know ?_?
 
Yoshimitsu126 said:
Well that's an extreme case. You just write vague but specific details that the initiated can recognize. Here's an example of putting spoilers for said game.

OMG! I just traveled to that place south of Hateno Bay!
Not going to put the spoiler here but you can see the point

With just the location, people who know the place will already know what you're talking about and can check it out without fear of getting spoiled by something else. The uninformed know there's something south of that bay but they still don't know what. They might forget reading your post too since it doesn't relate to them so that location may not stick with them.
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But then you have the people on your back who consider the existance of a place named "Hateno Bay" a spoiler already. You can't win.
 
Aeana said:
Look, I just want to read and post in a hype thread all day consuming everything about the game while learning absolutely nothing.
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Posts in a relevant thread are one thing, but spoiling something in the thread title on GAF main page is easily avoidable (for the person doing the spoiling). It's just not necessary.
 
I'm generally in the "anything and everything is a spoiler" camp, but I also avoid OT's like the plague when I'm really into a game. If you're especially sensitive to them but you also hang out in a thread where people are discussing all aspects of a game, I think you pretty much lose your right to complain about minor shit.
 
Rats Off To Ya said:
I'm generally in the "anything and everything is a spoiler" camp, but I also avoid OT's like the plague when I'm really into a game. If you're especially sensitive to them but you also hang out in a thread where people are discussing all aspects of a game, I think you pretty much lose your right to complain about minor shit.
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Basically. Entering a relevant thread is a high risk maneuvre, browsing GAF's main page shouldn't be.

You can extend this to "hey, better to stay off the internet entirely", but I think agreeing to not spoil things directly in a thread title is good enough.
 
Haunted said:
Basically. Entering a relevant thread is a high risk maneuvre, browsing GAF's main page shouldn't be.

You can extend this to "hey, better to stay off the internet entirely", but I think agreeing to not spoil things directly in a thread title is good enough.
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Definitely. The Korok seed thing probably wouldn't bother me personally, but there's no reason not to be a little more vague with that title.
 
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