Kain-Nosgoth
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well, can we all agree that at least we shouldn't post spoiler in thread titles? When you go in an OT, it's at your own risk, but you can't avoid thread title...
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So, why are boss names considered spoilers now?
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Stiflers Mom
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I remember back in the 80ies how I read guides to games, and then later on was happy when those cool things I read about beforehand would happen in the game..
Altered Juice
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they want to be surprised. Though I find it funny when people complain about spoiler posts in threads about games they haven't completed yet after release.
I'm usually good at avoiding spoilers, it is usually the thread titles that can grab you. Got spoiled 3 times on here
UC4 was spoiled in a week. TMI from voice actor on Twitter.
People kept making venom snake jokes in threads that had nothing to do with Mgsv.
FFXV story/gameplay progression was spoiled through thread title. The people that were actively discussing the 4chan leak that got posted after E3, shut down anyone who complained with "IT IS OLD INFORMATION! STFU!"
I'm usually good at avoiding spoilers, it is usually the thread titles that can grab you. Got spoiled 3 times on here
UC4 was spoiled in a week. TMI from voice actor on Twitter.
People kept making venom snake jokes in threads that had nothing to do with Mgsv.
FFXV story/gameplay progression was spoiled through thread title. The people that were actively discussing the 4chan leak that got posted after E3, shut down anyone who complained with "IT IS OLD INFORMATION! STFU!"
this is how i am generally when it comes to spoilers.
When lost first aired, Australia was a week behind the states, but I used to read the plot of the episode in advance which made me extremely hyped up for what I was about to watch a week later.
hydrophilic attack
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In terms of spoilers, it's just so easy to be considerate if you spend a minu to think about your post before you submit your post
Put the boss name in spoiler tags, except for initials, state boss number or mission number outside the spoiler tag
Don't put everything inside a spoiler tag because then how can someone know whether it's a spoiler for the start or the end of the game?
Put the boss name in spoiler tags, except for initials, state boss number or mission number outside the spoiler tag
Don't put everything inside a spoiler tag because then how can someone know whether it's a spoiler for the start or the end of the game?
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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There was also the thread of people freaking out that was announcing Chris as DLC for RE7 was a spoiler. Even though Capcom has been advertising it... because it's DLC.
I could see certain things with boss names, like you thought someone died but there's a big reveal they never died. But something like Boss names in dark souls? They mean nothing on their own.
You're not even bothering to respond to people's arguments. No one is saying actual spoilers and wanting to avoid those are stupid, they're saying things like flipping out that Chris is in RE7 when it's new DLC that Capcom has marketing is not a spoiler to destroy any conversation by spamming the thread with angry posts that they've now ruined RE7 for you.
lvl99 Pixel
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Boss names can give away a characters allegiance or existence and can ruin the surprise for people but I guess it depends on the game.
RichiRamjag
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It's no one here's responsibility to deal with unreasonable people and their fear of spoilers. If you're worried about spoilers, then stay the hell off of the web (or topics related to the game). It's getting ridiculous lately.
I remember people bugging out in zelda topics because of the kotaku article that stated there wasn't a certain kind of item in the game. It's silly.
Where has it been advertised? Because I literally haven't seen it anywhere other than after beating RE7 (which was hilarious) and the threads on gaf.
Wrong. Bosses and other characters are interwoven into the lore and the hero-turned-tragic figure is something that's happened multiple times in the series. Knowing the name of a boss in advance of playing the game spoils the surprise of fighting them.
Edit: people who enter threads for games in which they're trying to avoid spoilers are at fault, though. But spoilers in thread titles are straight up bullshit.
Sometimes I'd say it is, sometimes not.
If it's a sequel and it's a character from the first, then I think spoiler tagging is appropriate. Or if it's someone that may or may not be bad from earlier in the game then the same applies.
But I've noticed in the Horizon thread we've been spoiler tagging robot names even though they don't give away anything about the creature, seems kind of silly. But it's not a big deal to do it, so if people want it tagged I'll do it.
If it's a sequel and it's a character from the first, then I think spoiler tagging is appropriate. Or if it's someone that may or may not be bad from earlier in the game then the same applies.
But I've noticed in the Horizon thread we've been spoiler tagging robot names even though they don't give away anything about the creature, seems kind of silly. But it's not a big deal to do it, so if people want it tagged I'll do it.
I can understand why someone might want to preserve as much of an experience to actually experience themselves. And the reveal of information about an experience, however slight, can guide expectation in a certain direction - especially when aggregated with all of the other minor information 'reveals'.
It can get pedantic, but it isn't hard to try your best to avoid unnecessarily revealing information about an experience. Think of it this way - either the person hearing that information already knows it, doesn't care, or wants to know it - and in the final of those three cases they, being on the internet, can probably find out themselves. It really doesn't take more than a spoiler tag to allow people to make that choice themselves.
It can get pedantic, but it isn't hard to try your best to avoid unnecessarily revealing information about an experience. Think of it this way - either the person hearing that information already knows it, doesn't care, or wants to know it - and in the final of those three cases they, being on the internet, can probably find out themselves. It really doesn't take more than a spoiler tag to allow people to make that choice themselves.
I don't really care about boss names unless they are very spoiler heavy. For example in Bloodborne you can fight G
so I consider that a spoiler but I don't consider the name B
B
or something a spoiler.
Still, I usually spoiler tag for people that are sensitive to it.
erhman
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Still, I usually spoiler tag for people that are sensitive to it.
If you tell me a game has bosses I'd consider that a spoiler, never mind their names
I suppose it depends on the context within the game and the individual, some people want to go in as blind as they can, so letting slip anything will annoy them, others don't really care
If you don't want to know anything about the game then it's probably best to avoid discussion on it, otherwise you'll probably end up reading a few things you wish you hadn't
I'm joking
I suppose it depends on the context within the game and the individual, some people want to go in as blind as they can, so letting slip anything will annoy them, others don't really care
If you don't want to know anything about the game then it's probably best to avoid discussion on it, otherwise you'll probably end up reading a few things you wish you hadn't
Nail, meet hammer
Isn't a forest area pretty much a given in souls game lol.
Like death mountain in zelda.
Yes! That Sword of Artorias thread was awesomly pathetic. So many people crying about spoilers only for it to to amount to fucking nothing in the game.
It was so good.
"Artorias Sword!? I did not know he was in the game! Fuck you for spoiling!" and then, spoiler alert, he wasn't.
So so so good.
Yes, some boss names like Capra demon, or bell gargoyles are just generic monster names, but then there are bosses like Gwyndolin who if you have played the game and have paid attention you can make the connection of who that character is. Which usually robs me the satisfaction of finding that out for myself.
staticneuron
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It depends on game. Recent examples like Nier: Automata and Horizon has some bosses which are absolute spoilers. A game like GR Wildlands I imagine it wouldn't matter.
^ basically this. No one really should care if the game doesn't have a story or if the name has no effect on knowledge about fight/setting.
Teletraan1
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Personally I don't give even half a shit about spoilers. Knowing what happens or the name of something doesn't personally diminish the product in question for me. If it did I would seriously question if that product was even worth consuming in the first place.
I feel we should have a basic level of respect for others and try to keep spoilers out of thread titles and out of threads not necessarily about the game. The onnance should be on the people who don't want to be spoiled to avoid threads discussing the game. It is far too difficult to keep up with what one person feels is a spoiler and another doesn't because frankly some of the spoiled complaints are insane.
I feel we should have a basic level of respect for others and try to keep spoilers out of thread titles and out of threads not necessarily about the game. The onnance should be on the people who don't want to be spoiled to avoid threads discussing the game. It is far too difficult to keep up with what one person feels is a spoiler and another doesn't because frankly some of the spoiled complaints are insane.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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It's been advertised everywhere other DLC has?
No, not all bosses are interwoven. The scenario you posed I already responded to in my post, most bosses are self contained in games and don't ruin anything by itself. Telling people "the end" is a boss fight in MGS3 means nothing on its own. That isn't a spoiler.
Dangansona
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Never thought of it this way but he's right.
I agree with this. I played it for the first time 4 years ago and I imagine her dying would have been more impactful if I hadn't heard about her death brought up frequently over the years prior.
CassidyIzABeast
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Because the fear of "spoilers" has gotten out of hand. OT threads looking like a damn CIA document because somebody might flip their shit over you discussing something innocuous.
MegaSackman
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I don't mind but I think discovering bosses in Soulsborne is one of the most important aspects of those games so I understand why people wouldn't want to know anything about them, even names.
Going further in spoiler territory imagine a game like God of War, characters and beast that belongs to known myths, you really want to be surprised.
Like, imagine playing GOW3 and someone says "hey, Cronos battle is amazing"... -_-
Going further in spoiler territory imagine a game like God of War, characters and beast that belongs to known myths, you really want to be surprised.
Like, imagine playing GOW3 and someone says "hey, Cronos battle is amazing"... -_-
elrechazado
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Thanos is in this
Jawmuncher
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So glad spoilers don't bother me. Dunno how I'd live my life if they did, going by some posts here.
The spoiler avoidance has definitely gone overboard
Hell I remember with Ocarina of time as a kid. The Zelda issue covered the first three dungeons and up to the forest temple I read every detail. Yet didn't hurt my enjoyment of the game at all.
Now such a thing would be seen as a monumental spoiler.
It's an odd thing people wanting to discuss and be covered in every detail about a game and know nothing about it.
I want to keep Persona 5 fresh and new. So I haven't watched or read anything. If I do go into a threat about a game, I expect to be spoiled.
Hell I remember with Ocarina of time as a kid. The Zelda issue covered the first three dungeons and up to the forest temple I read every detail. Yet didn't hurt my enjoyment of the game at all.
Now such a thing would be seen as a monumental spoiler.
It's an odd thing people wanting to discuss and be covered in every detail about a game and know nothing about it.
I want to keep Persona 5 fresh and new. So I haven't watched or read anything. If I do go into a threat about a game, I expect to be spoiled.
Dangansona
Member
Is it overboard when you say you are avoiding all media on Persona 5 in the same post?
Which would be...? (you don't need to answer that, but I sincerely have no idea)
Point being, everyone doesn't use the same resources. Gaf is literally the only place I get my gaming news from. Stuff like those RE7 threads were ridiculous with how many responses were basically "lol you would've been spoiled anyway" or "Capcom spoke/wrote about it." I already finished the game before those thread titles started popping up, but yeah it would've been kind of shitty to be spoiled like that. I'm sure I'm not alone in going full media blackout once a game becomes a definite purchase -- whether I do so at launch (ex. Souls games; I watch the initial announce trailer and that's it) or later on. (ex. Inside; waited until Denuvo was removed)
PdotMichael
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My theory is that in the last three decades more and more people are born in the summer months.
Souls is a special case imo. I don't know if I can properly articulate why, but basically the amount of story/lore/etc you get in Souls is a lot less than in most games, and so a single boss is generally just a drop in the bucket but in Souls it's a lot more. There is less filler in Souls, so every morsel counts in the minimalistic story that is being presented.
Personally, I try to avoid all information about a game once I know I want it. I like being surprised by whatever is coming and to experience things for the first time as the game intends. Second, if I know that some element is in the game, I am likely to look for that element and wonder about it rather than letting myself get caught up in the moment of the game.
Ultimately, a boss name is not a spoiler anyone should really care about, however. I heard about Rom a long before I ever fought it, but when I got there it was completely different than I expected. Even knowing some of the elements of that fight, it was completely different than I expected. On the other side of the argument, there was a thread long before BB came out that showed a particularly creepy spider. I awaited this spider, looked for it constantly, and expected it to show up at various points. This is the kind of thing I try to avoid, because instead of paying attention to what is in front of me I am busy looking for things that I shouldn't know about.
Personally, I try to avoid all information about a game once I know I want it. I like being surprised by whatever is coming and to experience things for the first time as the game intends. Second, if I know that some element is in the game, I am likely to look for that element and wonder about it rather than letting myself get caught up in the moment of the game.
Ultimately, a boss name is not a spoiler anyone should really care about, however. I heard about Rom a long before I ever fought it, but when I got there it was completely different than I expected. Even knowing some of the elements of that fight, it was completely different than I expected. On the other side of the argument, there was a thread long before BB came out that showed a particularly creepy spider. I awaited this spider, looked for it constantly, and expected it to show up at various points. This is the kind of thing I try to avoid, because instead of paying attention to what is in front of me I am busy looking for things that I shouldn't know about.
Triggerhappytel
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(Spoiler) The final boss of Dark Souls 4 will be
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Echo of Cinder
Fbh
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Because they can spoil things about the world which sucks for people that wanted to know as little of the game as possible.
I'm playing Horizon right now and have been able to avoid most pre release footage and discussion. One of my favorite parts of the game so far is discovering new types of machines, it gives the game a strong sense of wonder since you never really know what you are going to encounter next.
If someone comes and just openly talks about just having killed the "giant mech gorilla" (note: I just made this up, I've no idea if there is something like that in the game) that's going to ruin the moment for me since now I know there is such a thing in the game
I'm playing Horizon right now and have been able to avoid most pre release footage and discussion. One of my favorite parts of the game so far is discovering new types of machines, it gives the game a strong sense of wonder since you never really know what you are going to encounter next.
If someone comes and just openly talks about just having killed the "giant mech gorilla" (note: I just made this up, I've no idea if there is something like that in the game) that's going to ruin the moment for me since now I know there is such a thing in the game
Depends. Like if there's a boss fight against a character that was never antagonistic towards you or was on your side at some point in the story, then yeah, it would be a spoiler that you end up fighting them at some point. That or the boss fight is a "upgraded" version of a previous fight that is meant to be a surprise that the character can upgrade, then I spoiler tag that as well. Also I generally spoil who the final boss fight is unless it's obvious from the get go, aka not spoiler tagging that Ganon the final boss in a Zelda game (though there's one exception to this, and those who played it probably know what I'm talking about).
For Souls games, I'd only consider the final bosses real spoilers. Those worlds are only set up so that any big name you hear, you're probably going to kill at some point. Like saying that Nito is a spoiler would be stupid since the whole point of that game is to take the great souls and make a new fire. Of course you're going to fight one of the keepers of the great soul at some point.
For Souls games, I'd only consider the final bosses real spoilers. Those worlds are only set up so that any big name you hear, you're probably going to kill at some point. Like saying that Nito is a spoiler would be stupid since the whole point of that game is to take the great souls and make a new fire. Of course you're going to fight one of the keepers of the great soul at some point.
krizalidzero
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It depends on the boss' name.
If it was "Darth Vader" that's fine, but if it was "Your Father" then it's totally a spoiler.
(analogy)
If it was "Darth Vader" that's fine, but if it was "Your Father" then it's totally a spoiler.
(analogy)
Man Called Aerodynamics
Member
It used to be only plot twists that were considered spoilers. As in "I see dead people."
Now spoiler culture is on such overdrive that "Bruce Willis appears in this film" is considered a spoiler.
Now spoiler culture is on such overdrive that "Bruce Willis appears in this film" is considered a spoiler.
Aressa
You can't die before your death
Spoiler tag this please.
krizalidzero
Member
I would, but this is a case when pointing out something is a spoiler becomes the [almost] spoiler. If you read my comment and are unaware, you wouldn't assume a thing, would you?
That also happens a lot
No.
There is nothing wrong with not wanting to be spoiled.
But if I go into a thread to talk about Persona 5, or read previews, watch videos, and then bitch how they INCLUDED SPOILERS!!! Then thats overboard and I can fuck right off.
My point is either except it like we did in the old days and read about the game and play it. Or if you are concerned about spoilers, don't read or talk about the game until you've played it.
Sorry if this was mentioned, but I think it's exactly that. If people freely spoke about boss names and then suddenly in this one game they're hesitant to talk about it, then you know that it's probably a character you're already familiar with.
Because people name a boss and then go on to discuss things about them like stats and stuff. If you don't know who they are talking about it's nothing but if you know the boss name then that additional info will spoil you if you want to play the boss blind. Plus those names can relate to the story.