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[Kobiekun]

A) Gamers are desperate for new games on their 360

I know I am. The last 360 game I bought was Dead Rising, and the next one I will buy is Gears of War. Thug sims don't do the trick for me, Test Drive is mediocre at best, and N3 is laughable. If my appreciation for a game had more to do with the fillrate of the hardware running it, I might have been duped into purchasing one of them.

 

[BuckRobotron]

In a perfect world, N3 would sell three copies. But the fact that this atrocious game is doing well means that either A) Gamers are desperate for new games on their 360 B.) Gamers are stupid and have no taste or C.) People will buy/play anything.

N3 is a turd and the people who bought it should be flogged.

One of the most entertaining things about sales of N3 (or the game itself depending on who you ask) is that it is a big stick in the eye of those who actively hate it. :lol

 

[sonycowboy]

I know I am. The last 360 game I bought was Dead Rising, and the next one I will buy is Gears of War. Thug sims don't do the trick for me, Test Drive is mediocre at best, and N3 is laughable. If my appreciation for a game had more to do with the fillrate of the hardware running it, I might have been duped into purchasing one of them.

I've got GRAW and Oblivion and my next game will be Gears.

I don't think there's anything else I want this year, but next year it ramps up big time.

 

[Kelegacy]

One of the most entertaining things about sales of N3 (or the game itself depending on who you ask) is that it is a big stick in the eye of those who actively hate it. :lol

That's very true. I hate it with a passion that borders on dangerous. I find that the ones that exclaim their passion for N3 are the ones I quickly dismiss and never look at with much sincerity ever again. How can I like a person who enjoys the flavor of poo?

No offense to anyone that likes the "game", if that's what you want to call it.

 

[Kelegacy]

Nope. I tried playing FFX the other day on my HDTV and had to shut it off. Doesn't matter how good the game is, I'm waiting until I buy a PS3 until I ever touch them again. It's muddy and awful to look at.

So it doesn't matter how a game plays, just how it looks?

Are you a gamer?

 

[Odysseus]

I know I am. The last 360 game I bought was Dead Rising, and the next one I will buy is Gears of War.

You make it seem like that's a long gap between games to buy. :/

 

[plagiarize]

So it doesn't matter how a game plays, just how it looks?

Are you a gamer?

this is GAF.

all that matters is framerate and sales charts.

 

[sonycowboy]

maybe sonycowboy will be kind enough to let us know what the Dreamcast had done at a similar point of it's lifespan software wise to see if there might be other factors at play here than 'the only next gen console'.

First 10 months:

Dreamcast: 9.74M SW units
360: 11.75M SW units
PS2: 13.39M SW units

 

[plagiarize]

First 10 months:

Dreamcast: 9.74M SW units
360: 11.75M SW units
PS2: 13.39M SW units

thank you

 

[Kelegacy]

this is GAF.

all that matters is framerate and sales charts.

Sorry, I'm pretty new to GAF. I just came from Evil Avatar and was a member there for two years. And coming from EvAv means I'm very used to Microsoft Massaging.

I like my 360, but I'm not a fanboy and can't take people ignoring good games (like Okami, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, etc.) while praising stinkers that don't deserve your dollar.

 

[thehighlight]

Because there's nothing else.

 

[Wulfer]

The attach rate is high enough for us to know one thing. The Sony 3rd party free ride exclusives are over... Sony has to pull teeth and cash just like everyone else now, that’s revelation from this attach rate report. That makes some people on this board a little nervous now.

 

[sonycowboy]

The attach rate is high enough for us to know one thing. The Sony 3rd party free ride exclusives are over... Sony has to pull teeth and cash just like everyone else now that’s revelation from this attach rate report. That makes some people on this board a little nervous now.

Even though the attach rate is almost the same as the original XBox, but only with less HW sold? Wow. Not that publishers aren't aware of the 360 SW selling well, but one thing nobody here seems to recognize is that the original XBox had almost twice as many SW titles released as the 360 does and unit sales were more spread out (except for Halo).

 

[Kelegacy]

You make it seem like that's a long gap between games to buy. :/

August to November? I'd say that's a fairly long time indeed, especially considering you can beat Dead Rising in a day or so. Infinite Mode could have been so good, kept me playing for weeks more. But it's flawed, which is unfortunate.

This fall belongs to the PS2 and DS, in terms of game quality and quantity. Okami and FFXII are two PS2 titles I'll be chewing on for a long time to come. Gears of War is the only one I'm interested in for the 360, and I'll probably not even buy it when it comes out. I'll have to wait for reviews and longevity opinions. 360 games are just too expensive to buy on a whim or due to hype.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

this is GAF.

all that matters is framerate and sales charts.

Please. When you get used to playing in Hi-Def, having to go back to ass-muddy, lo-def textures is a serious detriment, especially when you've already played through a game. You can spin it any way you wan't at whatever levels of douchery you feel the need to let slip down the leg of your highwaters. But I am a gamer, graphics aren't the only think that are important to me, and anyone who thinks the difference between next gen and last gen is just a matter of "graphics" doesn't know what on Earth they're talking about and deserve the preceding paragraph of well-written and imaginative scorn.

Pathetic, really. I know FFXII is going to be a fantastic game and I'm going to play it someday. But I don't have as strong a drive to play it as I do the really great 360 games that are out and that are coming out that, on top of being great games fundamentally, also bring all their next-genness to the table. Sorry it gets some jokers in a tizzy, but the 360 is the most rewarding console I've ever owned and, personally, I'm much more excited to play the games on IT, than drag out my PS2 and hook it up and dust it off and play something.

It doesn't make me less of a gamer, it makes whoever accuses me of that more of a douche. These are my opinions and those are what dictate my preferences. Trying to argue against them or accuse me of something because of them is pretty much the definition of bald-ass futility.

 

[Sysgen]

hmm, maybe we need a it prints money ps for 360 publishers?

As said, the 360's online persistence adds to the attach rate, the demos, seeing what your friends are playing. When you booted the Xbox it was you, you and you. When you boot the 360 it's you, your friends and the community. A very powerful platform. The first thing I do when I boot my 360 after work is look at new marketplace items and see what my friends are playing.

 

[snatches]

Please. When you get used to playing in Hi-Def, having to go back to ass-muddy, lo-def textures is a serious detriment, especially when you've already played through a game. You can spin it any way you wan't at whatever levels of douchery you feel the need to let slip down the leg of your highwaters. But I am a gamer, graphics aren't the only think that are important to me, and anyone who thinks the difference between next gen and last gen is just a matter of "graphics" doesn't know what on Earth they're talking about and deserve the preceding paragraph of well-written and imaginative scorn.

Pathetic, really. I know FFXII is going to be a fantastic game and I'm going to play it someday. But I don't have as strong a drive to play it as I do the really great 360 games that are out and that are coming out that, on top of being great games fundamentally, also bring all their next-genness to the table. Sorry it gets some jokers in a tizzy, but the 360 is the most rewarding console I've ever owned and, personally, I'm much more excited to play the games on IT, than drag out my PS2 and hook it up and dust it off and play something.

It doesn't make me less of a gamer, it makes whoever accuses me of that more of a douche. These are my opinions and those are what dictate my preferences. Trying to argue against them or accuse me of something because of them is pretty much the definition of bald-ass futility.

I'm not sure who or what you were responding to but I agree with everything you said.

 

[Sysgen]

Please. ...

I think it was sarcasm :/

 

[Odysseus]

August to November? I'd say that's a fairly long time indeed, especially considering you can beat Dead Rising in a day or so.

Well, I guess I can't comment officially, since I don't own a 360. I wouldn't have bought a game for it this year if I did, I can say that much. But a couple of months between worthy titles is nothing. I'm still waiting for the first game of 2006 overall that I want to play.

 

[mollipen]

Is it the downloadable demos which help encourage people to part with their money?

This really is the case for me. I never would have given the latest Tomb Raider another look had I not played the demo, and ended up really enjoying it. Same with Test Drive Unlimited - never, EVER would have gave TDU a second thought without the demo.

 

[Joeroll]

I agree with the 'theres no competition' and 'not many games out at the same time' arguement. But, I believe there is more to it than that. Here's a couple other reasons I 'think' help it a bit.

Xbox live! It's so integrated into 360 that its sickening(or awesome!). You get more of a community feeling with your friends list. You always see what your friends are doing and you can send messages and talk all while playing games. Think of what I am trying to say as another form of 'word of mouth' which can really help sell games. If I see half my friends list playing a game and if I am getting messages telling me how awesome the game is. I will want to check it out.

Marketplace! The demos are awesome. Demos have introduced me to a couple games I really wouldn't have even considered in the first place. Demos have sold me on 2-3 games alone.

If you have your 360 connected to live you are just more exposed to games. Sure there were demos before, but this wide spread? No.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I think it was sarcasm :/

"So it doesn't matter how a game plays, just how it looks?

Are you a gamer?"

That gets a -43 on the Sarcasm Meter. I believe the level there is "What Crawled Down His Neck And Hijacked His Voice Box".

 

[C4Lukins]

"So it doesn't matter how a game plays, just how it looks?

Are you a gamer?"

That gets a -43 on the Sarcasm Meter. I believe the level there is "What Crawled Down His Neck And Hijacked His Voice Box".

You quoted the wrong dude. That is what is causing the confusion.

Edit; or maybe you didn't. These posts switching around is causing me to be confused though.

 

[Sgt. Killjoy]

N3 is good if you really like Dynasty Warriors.

I would have hated it less if i could have saved during a level.

 

[shuri]

The free demos help a LOT.

also it's hard to deny that its seriously a ****load of quality title for the first year of a console. I own like 7 games right now, all bought full price, and they are all quality games. Everyone I know who has 360s own a ****load of games for it too.

It's a shame that people are trying to find a problem with that.

 

[Safe Bet]

Test Drive is mediocre at best..

The first game to offer a persitent world within a racing game is mediocore at best?

Have you even played the game?

The way the Developers seamlessly brought together the single-player portion of the game with the multi-player portion is undenibale genius...

 

[Mrbob]

Good games plus limited selection = profit

Good for developers/publishers taking a chance on 360 and being rewarded.

I agree with those about HD. Resolution upgrade is more important than graphical detail. Once you go 720P it is hard to go back down.

 

[Sysgen]

"So it doesn't matter how a game plays, just how it looks?

Are you a gamer?"

That gets a -43 on the Sarcasm Meter. I believe the level there is "What Crawled Down His Neck And Hijacked His Voice Box".

He was responding to:

Originally Posted by Kelegacy:
So it doesn't matter how a game plays, just how it looks?
Are you a gamer?

I took it as lampooning the forum. I guess open to interpretation.

 

[Mojovonio]

The free demos help a LOT.

also it's hard to deny that its seriously a ****load of quality title for the first year of a console. I own like 7 games right now, all bought full price, and they are all quality games. Everyone I know who has 360s own a ****load of games for it too.

It's a shame that people are trying to find a problem with that.

Agreed, it may not have a "halo" big game, but its betting getting a huge game at least every month.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

He was responding to:

Originally Posted by Kelegacy:
So it doesn't matter how a game plays, just how it looks?
Are you a gamer?

I took it as lampooning the forum. I guess open to interpretation.

I was responding mainly to Kelegacy's comment, which is why I was careful to make all the statements general, referring to "anyone who" as opposed to "you", seeing as I'd quoted Plagiarize.

 

[BuckRobotron]

This really is the case for me. I never would have given the latest Tomb Raider another look had I not played the demo, and ended up really enjoying it. Same with Test Drive Unlimited - never, EVER would have gave TDU a second thought without the demo.

The demos I have no doubt are helping overall with positive recognition of games, even if not outright immediate sales. That Tomb Raider demo was indeed nice and I put it on a future buy list...$20 at Best Buy I grabbed it but then I might never have bothered at all. But there is a side benefit: Now I'll be paying more attention to the next iteration.

And the N3 demo must have been part of what triggered people to ignore the hate. It only led me to a rental (which I enjoyed, haters be damned as usual), but others decided to go for it. More power to them for wading past the bile and buying what they wanted to.

One demo did have me pick up the full game earlier than planned, the Burnout Revenge demo. The 360 demo clicked with me, despite the lack of manual shifting and some other changes.

 

[X26]

Simple, Xbots are so obsessed with trying to make MS #1 that they buy every single game, and sometimes even multiple copies.

 

[Tarjeta Prepagada]

Its really weird.

I have 11 360 games already, and have only owned the system for 3-4 months.

This is just out of the ordinary for someone like myself, normally i dont buy that many games for a new system in a year, let alone a few months.

360 has quite a few original exclusives (Chromehounds, Saint's Row, NNN, Dead Rising) that i just could not resist.

 

[plagiarize]

yeah i was lampooning this forum... or at least some of our more unique members and it was light hearted and good natured so i hope no one was offended.

i'm stuck at work until 7pm tonight and my job mainly involves waiting for a phone to ring so i have a lot of down time that i kill by posting in forums.

though GAF sometimes drives me absolutely nuts generally, i find these forums informative and interesting.

i just can't help see threads like that one saying 'would you rather have a AAA title early or a years worth of sales figures' that had most everyone picking the sales figures without smiling and shaking my head.

 

[Last Hope]

Because it is the only next gen system out.

Plus other gimmicky stuff like acheivements however I hope most people who fall for this are smart enough to rent them.

I think Xbox game sales will slow when the PS3 comes out as there will be another competitor in the market.

 

[shpankey]

it's b/c we have lots of disposable income

 

[Kobiekun]

The first game to offer a persitent world within a racing game is mediocore at best?

Have you even played the game?

The way the Developers seamlessly brought together the single-player portion of the game with the multi-player portion is undenibale genius...

I've played it - for a grand total of about 3 hours. It's very pretty, and the online component probably appeals to others more than it does to me. But I found the controls to be too loose. When I consider a driving game, I rank control very highly. In the control department, TDU seemed average.

 

[TheGreatDave]

it's b/c we have lots of disposable income

That's pretty much it. If you can afford a 360 at this point, you can probably afford to buy whichever game is the big thing this month.

 

[hyp]

Because there's nothing else.

what's with all the original replies today? is this NeoGAF or am i trippin'?

 

[maxmars]

Just adding my 2 cents.. Games are selling well because they are good games (at the very least they look very nice) on a platform that is currently the only next-gen choice for gaming enthusiasts.

If anedoctal evidence is worth anything, a lot of those ps2 are used for a yearly fix of sport games updates, or are in the hands of people who are perfectly happy with a library of ten games because they're not much into games but wanted to try the thing anyway. Oh yes, and piracy runs rampant on last-gen consoles.

 

[TelemachusD]

it's b/c we have lots of disposable income

That plus Live demos and some quality next-gen games currently available nowhere else about sums it up.

 

[Odysseus]

That plus Live demos and some quality next-gen games currently available nowhere else about sums it up.

Get off my forum, son.

 

[Kelegacy]

Please. When you get used to playing in Hi-Def, having to go back to ass-muddy, lo-def textures is a serious detriment, especially when you've already played through a game. You can spin it any way you wan't at whatever levels of douchery you feel the need to let slip down the leg of your highwaters. But I am a gamer, graphics aren't the only think that are important to me, and anyone who thinks the difference between next gen and last gen is just a matter of "graphics" doesn't know what on Earth they're talking about and deserve the preceding paragraph of well-written and imaginative scorn.

Pathetic, really. I know FFXII is going to be a fantastic game and I'm going to play it someday. But I don't have as strong a drive to play it as I do the really great 360 games that are out and that are coming out that, on top of being great games fundamentally, also bring all their next-genness to the table. Sorry it gets some jokers in a tizzy, but the 360 is the most rewarding console I've ever owned and, personally, I'm much more excited to play the games on IT, than drag out my PS2 and hook it up and dust it off and play something.

It doesn't make me less of a gamer, it makes whoever accuses me of that more of a douche. These are my opinions and those are what dictate my preferences. Trying to argue against them or accuse me of something because of them is pretty much the definition of bald-ass futility.

So, complaining about graphics or lamenting games that aren't in HD DOESN'T make you less of a gamer? That's arguable, but it does certainly make you appear foolish. I've been playing Phantasy Star (from the '80s!) on the GBA for the past week. I was playing Alundra and Tomba for PS1 on my PS2 over the weekend. I own a 360 and an HDTV, but even I know that gameplay kills graphics and resolution, ANYDAY. I would dust off my PS2 to play FFXII in a heartbeat, and definitely would choose it over the middling Enchanted Arms. A bland game in HD doesn't make it better than a phenomenal game in PS2 rez. It's that simple.

I am starting to loath the HD-era already, for what it has done to people. I've played games in HD, but for some reason HDTV didn't suddenly mutate me into a forgetful gamer that couldn't appreciate fun with less powerful systems because of "jaggies" or textures. Maybe I'm the odd one here, for still finding fun and time to play better, "uglier" games on my current gen systems while my 360 pretty much sits unused, except for a few instances every other month when a decent game slips out of a publisher's factory.

 

[davepoobond]

Come on come on I see no changes wake up in the morning and I ask myself is life worth living should I blast myself?

 

[J-Rzez]

Simple, Xbots are so obsessed with trying to make MS #1 that they buy every single game, and sometimes even multiple copies.

:lol You know what... it's sad but my one friend buys two copies of games he likes... one to retain in wrapping... the other to open and play... and, coincidence, he only does that with Xbox/360 games......

I'm on to him now... dirty bastage!

 

[JB1981]

I am starting to loath the HD-era already, for what it has done to people. I've played games in HD, but for some reason HDTV didn't suddenly mutate me into a forgetful gamer that couldn't appreciate fun with less powerful systems because of "jaggies" or textures. Maybe I'm the odd one here, for still finding fun and time to play better, "uglier" games on my current gen systems while my 360 pretty much sits unused, except for a few instances every other month when a decent game slips out of a publisher's factory.

While I do agree that HD makes it tough to go back to the older generation, I can safely say that there is no game on the 360 that's more exhilirating/heart-pounding and visceral than taking Aro by the reins and racing with him to get away from a fast-approaching, mammoth Colossi in Shadow of the Colossus. The sweeping score, the beautiful, life-like Aro animations and the giant, lumbering beast breathing down your neck almost makes me forget about next-gen entirely. Sure, the game would benefit greatly from more powerful hardware, but the 'next-gen'-ness of SotC is not in its pixel or resolution count, but in its ability to move the player emotionally. This, to me, is what next-gen should be about.