That's most people's only frame of reference. Including Fox.
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So why is Fox trying again with Fantastic Four?
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That's most people's only frame of reference. Including Fox.
Because God will not allow a good Fantastic Four movie to get made.
Well I do, so bully on you.
Well I do, so bully on you.
I seem to remember a comic series where (ultimate?) FF sent probes to try and figure out Ben's condition, ended up drawing bizarro FF to their universe. Ended up Fury had allied with Doc Doom and they'd ended up sending some alien infestation to this other world.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Wait, are people honestly saying that a SAFE PROPERTY would be handled poorly by Marvel, the SAFEST fucking studio on the planet?
BarringGaffner
Member
The only good thing came out of the last Fantastic Four was this:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fgoanR8BAMA
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fgoanR8BAMA
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
I highly doubt Constantin has the rights at this time and I have laid out my reasons as to why I think that. Plus we know with 100% certainty that the X-Men rights were amended and extended in the late 90s or they would have reverted back to Marvel. Fox paid 1 mil for it. Corman's movie grab was produced in 1994 and never released. The next Fantastic Four movie started principal photography in 2004 and released in 2005. We also know the movies now have to release theatrically for the rights to extend, so it stands to reason the contract was amended, extended, and renegotiated. Constantin still owns some production rights, probably consultation like Marvel, and distribution in Germany and Austria, but that's it I think.
Also, riddle me this. If a minion such as Constantin - who is rumored to want out of the movie business - owned all production rights to FF, why hasn't Disney made an offer they couldn't refuse like they did Paramount in 2010? Something like 20MM upfront plus 8% of the first solo "Fantastic Four" movie or 50MM backpay (whatever is higher), plus Constantin's name plastered all over the marketing like they are the real distributors of the damn thing. That costs Marvel less money than Ant Man made in profit without merchandise and it's more money and exposure than Constantin has ever gotten in 25+ years of owning the live action FF movie rights.
This is 100% guess on my part, but I think Disney would rather do an "all or nothing" type of thing, that is including the XMen and possibly even ANH distribution rights. They could get FF rather easily, but the whole ordeal is significantly more complex. Same thing with Universal and Hulk distribution rights. Again, just my guess.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Fantastic Four: We're setting the bar at Crash Bandicoot
They probably wish they were as successful as Crash Bandicoot is.
Elegant Weapon
Member
but it's on the production company that owns the rights to live action FF films to make that good FF film. It's not on Marvel to buy those rights back when they literally have hundreds of characters they can use without having to pay to acquire the rights to adapt.
Last I heard, a film focused on Franklin & Valeria was a good idea. Selling the rights back to Marvel would not be a good idea for Fox
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It'll do Crash Bandicoot
Jason Frost
Member
At this point, I think FOX just want to damage the Marvel brand.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This shit isn't professional wrestling
Fox (or Constantin, whatever) may have dropped the ball with the Fantastic Four so far, and perhaps in a vaccuum they'd have cut their losses and just let rights expire. But they now have:
-The success of the X-Men franchise
-The consistent success of the increasingly outlandish MCU
and perhaps most importantly:
-Marvel's ability to immediately make Daredevil a success after cutting their losses there
to point to the fact that they clearly have a license to print money with their FF rights, but they just need to find a way to make an interpretation that's successful. Fox/Constantin might lose hope in the franchise eventually, but they definitely not prepared to let go any time soon. And even if they did, they'd probably still keep the rights and just let Marvel Studios handle the production a la Spider-Man and give them crossover privileges rather than giving them back rights completely.
And that's if Marvel sees the FF and the characters there-in a must-have for the MCU, and while fans like me may want it, it's very debatable that Marvel has any real interest in actively getting the Fantastic Four back. Spider-Man is THE face of the Marvel universe and has been for some time, and while Fantastic Four has historical legacy, they're still pretty unknown, and Marvel has shown time and time and time again they can simply take one of their more unknown properties and make THAT a hit instead, and not have to worry about bad FF movies damaging the Marvel brand in the same way bad Spider-Man movies could.
-The success of the X-Men franchise
-The consistent success of the increasingly outlandish MCU
and perhaps most importantly:
-Marvel's ability to immediately make Daredevil a success after cutting their losses there
to point to the fact that they clearly have a license to print money with their FF rights, but they just need to find a way to make an interpretation that's successful. Fox/Constantin might lose hope in the franchise eventually, but they definitely not prepared to let go any time soon. And even if they did, they'd probably still keep the rights and just let Marvel Studios handle the production a la Spider-Man and give them crossover privileges rather than giving them back rights completely.
And that's if Marvel sees the FF and the characters there-in a must-have for the MCU, and while fans like me may want it, it's very debatable that Marvel has any real interest in actively getting the Fantastic Four back. Spider-Man is THE face of the Marvel universe and has been for some time, and while Fantastic Four has historical legacy, they're still pretty unknown, and Marvel has shown time and time and time again they can simply take one of their more unknown properties and make THAT a hit instead, and not have to worry about bad FF movies damaging the Marvel brand in the same way bad Spider-Man movies could.
BadAss2961
Member
Guardians was at least something new, fresh. This shit might as well be dead as its own property. At best it can merely exist among a slew of others in the genre, but it's never going to stand out or be fresh again at this point.
It can do well with a mid 90s RT the same way any other basic superhero movie can in this era. Fuckin' Spider-Man got such a rating and was still reduced to being just another superhero movie. That's coming off two disappointing films that were well received compared to these three F4 duds.
MHWilliams
Member
To go with this, you'd get a one time payment and still not have a car. Fox's bet is - like X-Men - maybe with the right personal mechanic they can get a working car.
I mean, step outside of being a fan for a moment. Think pure business.
What would Disney gain by buying the rights back? They have reams of Marvel properties to mine that they haven't even touched yet. The difference between a Marvel with the Fantastic Four, X-Men, and Spider-Man and one without is we wouldn't have Ant-Man, Black Panther, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Captain Marvel.
Which is to say, when you can take Ant-Man to $500+ million, Guardians of the Galaxy to $860+ million, and Doctor Strange to $670+ million, what do you really need the Fantastic Four for? On its best day, Fantastic Four would likely hit around what... $700 million? Even the best version of the idea, The Incredibles, topped out at $633 million.
So, why waste the time and money? It's like having every Final Fantasy game ever made, but constantly worrying about the one you don't have, which is like... Final Fantasy V. Sure, you could enjoy it, but you'll find just as much enjoyment out of the stuff you already have.
We want Marvel to have Fantastic Four so we can see a good Fantastic Four film. Sure. But Marvel/Disney? They don't need it. They'll spit near the same direction on Black Panther and Captain Marvel, and be fine with it.
Fancyarcher
Member
Because somehow Fox still thinks they can make money off the brand even with the disastrous Fan4stic film. That Doctor Doom film doesn't sound so bad though, and Hawley's involvement has me interested.
It'll make more bank than anything released in June? I can agree with this.
Almost everyone has adored Homecoming since it came out. A better example of this would be something like Doctor Strange or Days of Future Past.
FOX will keep rebooting this series over and over until something sticks. Basically what Sony was doing until they said fuck it and partnered with Marvel.
The N'Sane Trilogy was a huge seller.
The N'Sane Trilogy was a huge seller.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
All I'm hearing is that Crash Bandicoot has better rep than the Fantastic Four
And that people are easily entertained by mediocre video games.
And that people are easily entertained by mediocre video games.
This is the post of an old man raised in the NES age slowly realizing the video game world has passed him by. I'll see you in 2019 when the Crash Team Racing remake does gangbusters.
broncobuster
Banned
Prove it! Just today Jeremy Latcham jumped from Marvel Studios over to Fox. It's all 24-7 carny in the movie biz.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I don't have time for your trash '90s nostalgia
It's bad enough you children believe Hook is a good movie and Last Crusade is better than Raiders. That's not even getting into your weird fucking relationship with Space Jam.
I get you were raised on awkward, ungainly horseshit. That's how the decade worked, I know. It sucks how the whole thing played out. Just a random trick of fate you were concieved when you were, loosed into an aesthetically desperate era where nobody in charge of anything had any restraint, much less style. It's not really your fault.
But Crash Bandicoot was never good.
It's alright, my generation still swears up and down that Transformers: The Movie is emotionally affecting animated gold. We've got our own bullshit to worry about.
It's bad enough you children believe Hook is a good movie and Last Crusade is better than Raiders. That's not even getting into your weird fucking relationship with Space Jam.
I get you were raised on awkward, ungainly horseshit. That's how the decade worked, I know. It sucks how the whole thing played out. Just a random trick of fate you were concieved when you were, loosed into an aesthetically desperate era where nobody in charge of anything had any restraint, much less style. It's not really your fault.
But Crash Bandicoot was never good.
It's alright, my generation still swears up and down that Transformers: The Movie is emotionally affecting animated gold. We've got our own bullshit to worry about.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
We would have still gotten Panther. Wesley Snipes was supposed to play him back in the 90s. I also think they had something planned for Strange,I think his rights were tied up with Sony IIRC.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
You better not be hating on Spyro too, Bobby.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Nah, Spyro was alright.
MHWilliams
Member
In a world with Fantastic Four and X-Men rights, the list goes like this.
Spider-Man
- Venom
- Wolverine
- Deadpool
- Captain America
- Iron Man
- Thor
Guardians of the Galaxy
Hulk
Captain Marvel
Marvel Knights
- Punisher
- Ghost Rider
- Daredevil
- Luke Cage
- Iron Fist
Basically, Marvel has a list of characters and properties they will always publish. Some of them get tabled for a time - Fantastic Four is currently defunct, Thor was gone for a few years - but the above list is the stuff that will always have a book. Those are the bankable products. The stuff in italics - Deadpool, Guardians, Inuhmans, and Captain Marvel - are relatively new in the rotation, but if you search "Marvel Universe" and look at their official marketing materials, these are the brands you will find.
Everything else works in relation to these. Black Panther fits a good slot for Marvel, but that's because it's one of the few major black characters Marvel publishes. If Marvel owned the X-Men, we'd probably get something with Storm or Bishop instead.
BKatastrophe
Member
Which is part of the reason that there's no FF book currently: no one was reading it.
I get itBoberts, have you ever seen a video game?
you use one of these
and the electro-characters do what you tell them to do!
it's like a film, but better!
Bobby's old
RUFIO RUFIO RU-FI-OOOOOOOOO
Third iteration from Fox.
Sad Affleck
Member
They (or Constantin, whatever) bought the rights for peanuts in the 90s, superhero movies are crazy popular right now and if they don't make a new movie within a certain time period (I believe it's seven years) then the rights go back to Marvel for free. Fox is not in the desperate situation that Sony was before the Spider-Man deal so they will keep trying and trying and trying until they strike a hit or superheroes go out of fashion.