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Some more PS3 games confirmed with trophies

bdizzle said:
I dont think Japan gives a fuck about our damn trophies :(
You know, FFXIII with trophies would just look stupid. I can't imagine this scenario:

Lightning hits enemy for 9999
...
...
...
You earned a Silver Trophy
Maximum Damage
 
Seiken said:
You know, FFXIII with trophies would just look stupid. I can't imagine this scenario:

Lightning hits enemy for 99999
...
...
...
You earned a Silver Trophy
Maximum Damage

Fixed, because apparently breaking the 9999 barrier seems to be a regular event at Final Fantasy when you get special items or weapons.

Or that is what it seems like in the newer games.
 
Darkman M said:
Why aren't they mandatory? If they are gonna have trophys at all make them mandatory or this whole deal is just fail period.

I'm sure they'll be mandatory in the future (starting in 2009 probably). It would be kind of a douche move if Sony were to force developers to implement trophies right now while they're in crunch mode just trying to finish their games for this year.
 
i wonder why SCE still makes trophy system like an optional feature for every game, its so awkward, letting ppl still care which game has trophies, which not

engineering-wise it seems not SO difficult to add something like a template in UI that developers just type some numbers to set trophies
 
Seiken said:
You know, FFXIII with trophies would just look stupid. I can't imagine this scenario:

Lightning hits enemy for 9999
...
...
...
You earned a Silver Trophy
Maximum Damage
The funny thing is, FXII has trophies. :lol
 
I may have missed it, but what about Mercenaries 2? I liked what they showed on the G4 E3 demo, so it'll be my first honest to god PS3 purchase instead of 360.
 
Hcoregamer00 said:
Fixed, because apparently breaking the 9999 barrier seems to be a regular event at Final Fantasy when you get special items or weapons.

Or that is what it seems like in the newer games.
I think the only Final Fantasy game you could hit over 9999 with a single weapon hit would be FFX >_>
sykoex said:
The funny thing is, FXII has trophies. :lol
Now that you mention it :lol :lol
 
Hcoregamer00 said:
I take it that Valkyria Chronicles does not support trophies.

yes, it's mentioned on the blog that they're working on trophies as well as more DLC

No idea which blog they're talking about. Try to ask around to some Japanese-speaking user on this board if he/she can find this piece of info.

BTW, I don't give a damn about any of the games in that list.
 
andycapps said:
Wait, where did Legend of Spyro come from? Is this Insomniac developed or outsourced? Have I been in a coma or something?


Welcome back, good to see you know how to use the internet already
 
Speaking of trophies - since I can't download patches yet, does anyone know if there is (or will be) an edition of a game that is already released (say, Unchared) will come with a trophy patch?
 
At this point I don't even care. They've chosen not to make them mandatory. If I absolutely need some kind of incentive I buy the 360 version anyway, because I know there will be achievements.
 
uh, couldn't they patch in trophies for spider-man later? it seems like they're not gonna do them at all after reading the OP
 
Union Carbine said:
Why aren't trophies mandatory for new games?
You've got PM :)
 
Kyoufu said:
FFXII International, the cap was removed.
Wow, Square does it again.
Zoe said:
And the fight scene in the FFXIII trailer has attacks over 9999.
What? I've seen the trailer over 400 times and I haven't noticed this?
 
Union Carbine said:
Why aren't trophies mandatory for new games?
They are. They are not mandatory for games already in development when the SDK was released, which these games were.
 
kpop100 said:
At this point I don't even care. They've chosen not to make them mandatory. If I absolutely need some kind of incentive I buy the 360 version anyway, because I know there will be achievements.

Seriously it has been said a few times in this thread alone what they are doing with Trophies.
 
Union Carbine said:
Why aren't trophies mandatory for new games?

Games that were close to completion at the time the trophy spec was finalized are not required to have them, but after that trophies are a TRC for all future titles.
 
NinjaFridge said:
Seriously it has been said a few times in this thread alone what they are doing with Trophies.

Yeah I have been following the news in this topic and others. For me it doesn't make or break a purchase anyway.
 
chubigans said:
They are. They are not mandatory for games already in development when the SDK was released, which these games were.

What about games that were still early in development when the spec was finalized? If that's the case, we could still be seeing games without trophy support into 2010. Not that I expect very many games to ship without trophies , but games shipping years after the trophy spec was finalized should not be getting a pass.
 
golem said:
wait you mean not all upcoming games will have trophys ? wtf is that??
Trophies are mandatory in all games in 2009. It starts in 2009 since it probably took Sony themselves 1-3 months to assists developers on utilizing trophies (a memo being sent doesn't always help) and get into an agreement to make it mandatory in the future. Many game releases are around September - November usually to get them out by the Holiday season, since that's when the big sales are usually. Once the Holiday season is over, games usually aren't rushed to get them out by any particular date (although some games are pressured to make it out by the Fiscal Year).

Right now, Sony is only encouraging developers to implement trophies. Reasons SOME games don't have trophies is:
-Games which have already been released in Japan and coming stateside (especially a PS3 exclusive) most likely never had some sort of achievement system. Adding trophies would be time consuming and really push it's release back. If Valkyria Chronicles got the addition, it would probably be pushed until next year.

-Since trophies were added in late May, early June, some games have already completed development OR were nearing completion (and already had a target release date). Adding them was either too late, or would really push the game back.

-Some publishers are pressuring developers to get their games out before the Holiday season (or their target release date_, and to implement trophies in some games will take time. That's why I'd think PoP and SW: FU don't have them.

-For a PS3 exclusive (like Naruto: UNS), not a single type of achievement system was probably planned in development. In order for the developers to add them, they'd have to carefully think where to implement trophies, completely edit the game code to implement them, and go through lots of testing to assure they work. If the game didn't really have a target release date, it may have been considered, but since it's trying to Target an October release, I can see why. MGS4 is kind of the same way where Kojima Productions would have to take a few months off of whatever project they are working on to figure out where to place them, add them, and then assure it works and not some other glitch comes up when editing through the game code.

Right now Sony is just trying to encourage developers to use them, but it's okay if their game doesn't have them (Sony isn't going to tell a developer they MUST have them this year because it could lead to a PS3 version coming later than a 360 version, or it could lead to a publisher getting angry because their game won't be able to meet its target release this year). But with all devs, they are told to implement trophies in ANY future game they make on PS3 (while development is still very early or hasn't started yet). Some developers (like Insomniac for an example) really can't go back and add trophies easily since their development teams are already assigned to particular projects and don't have an extra team currently to support older games.
 
Seiken said:
What? I've seen the trailer over 400 times and I haven't noticed this?

I'm trying to find the screen cap now.

On second thought, maybe it was Lightning's HP over 9999?
 
Ken Masters said:
why the fuck is it confirmed that POP has no trophies? Those lazy bastards at Ubi can't take little extra effort to work on it?

I think they have to throw it in their if production was after a certain date, but iirc its a TRC.
 
Seiken said:
So much for having a 100% ratio with trophies :lol

I am willing to guess that in order to keep delays from happening its not enforced. Plus, no reason to piss off developers adding a must have so close to release date.

Next year will probably be mandatory as there is plenty of time.
 
ChrisGoldstein said:
silly americans.

I dont see what is so hard since the 360 has the achievements already just copy them dammit.

The code call is already in the game, they just don't want to ask the PS3 compatibility to the code.
 
ChrisGoldstein said:
silly americans.

I dont see what is so hard since the 360 has the achievements already just copy them dammit.
Some achievements can easily be translated into trophies, but some cannot easily I believe (I believe Sony has a maximum number of trophies that can be used, and some 360 games use 50).
 
Seiken said:
You know, FFXIII with trophies would just look stupid. I can't imagine this scenario:

Lightning hits enemy for 9999
...
...
...
You earned a Silver Trophy
Maximum Damage

They better keep those damn things out of Trico and Heavy Rain for sure. At least give us the option of a trophy free playthrough.
 
BoilersFan23 said:
Some achievements can easily be translated into trophies, but some cannot easily I believe (I believe Sony has a maximum number of trophies that can be used, and some 360 games use 50).

not sure if i misinterpreted your comment, but the only limit for 360 achievements is the score. there's no limit on the amount of achievements. for example, the orange box has 99 achievements.
 
LiK said:
not sure if i misinterpreted your comment, but the only limit for 360 achievements is the score. there's no limit on the amount of achievements. for example, the orange box has 99 achievements.

I came to post this.

It shouldn't be to hard to limit the achievements value to equal Sony TRC for trophies.
 
I still don't understand the point of trophies other than providing goals for you to achieve. With 360, achievements are apart of the system and every game you play factors into your gamerscore. In this case, well, it's more like an online scoreboard in that you basically just get to see what your friends have done in the specific games that support the feature.

I don't think it would be really necessary for games like Prince of Persia, for instance. The only reason these exist in the 360 version is because achievement support is required. Some games don't need achievements yet it works out OK in the end because MS created a complete system around them. Sony is coming to the party too late and it won't really matter much.
 
man, some of you guys should listen too yourselves.

I dont want to get X game because it doesnt have trophies:lol

that is the stupidest thing that i have ever heard.

what do you guys only have 3 PS3 titles and only bought them in the last few months?

trophies have no bearing on gameplay whatsoever. Do trophies make the game run faster? to the reduce screen tearing? do the affect the controls in some way?
 
Riskbreaker23 said:
man, some of you guys should listen too yourselves.

I dont want to get X game because it doesnt have trophies:lol

that is the stupidest thing that i have ever heard.

what do you guys only have 3 PS3 titles and only bought them in the last few months?

trophies have no bearing on gameplay whatsoever. Do trophies make the game run faster? to the reduce screen tearing? do the affect the controls in some way?

it doesn't affect the overall enjoyment of the game. but they do extend the life of the game and add additional challenges so the replay value is higher. it's no different than posting your high scores in other games.
 
LiK said:
not sure if i misinterpreted your comment, but the only limit for 360 achievements is the score. there's no limit on the amount of achievements. for example, the orange box has 99 achievements.
This is what I was thinking about:
Sitting down with Travis McIntosh, our Lead Programmer, I learned that implementing Trophies in Uncharted was a relatively simple task because we had to medal reward system to leverage. He said that since we had medals built into the existing game, the programming team could just tie the existing 47 medals into the Trophy award requirements. Choosing 47 medals during our initial development worked better than imagined because the 47 Trophies, with the appropriate point values for Bronze, Silver and Gold Trophies, perfectly equaled the maximum number of trophies that can be awarded.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008...ted-drake’s-fortune-trophy-patch-is-released/

It's really hard to explain how it works out, but oh course with MS, there can be 1000 achievements, but they can only go up to 1000 like you said. I just got the maybe there being some sort of maximum number or so from that PS Blog entry.
 
BoilersFan23 said:
It's really hard to explain how it works out, but oh course with MS, there can be 1000 achievements, but they can only go up to 1000 like you said. I just got the maybe there being some sort of maximum number or so from that PS Blog entry.

actually, i need to correct myself. devs can actually put more than 1000 achievements even if they make them 1 point a piece. there are zero point achievements in a few games for sucking in something. yea, totally useless "achievements", imo. :lol
 
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