Barajas_201
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Yeah, I'm also watching it and this ain't no hardcore otaku culture stuff, this is a very serious problem and a depressing one at it too
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Some players in Japan live in 24-hour gaming cafes
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Yeah, I'm also watching it and this ain't no hardcore otaku culture stuff, this is a very serious problem and a depressing one at it too
efyu_lemonardo
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When I was in Japan I spent a night in a capsule hotel in Osaka and other than not having to book it in advance it was about as expensive as a Ryokan, which is like a motel.
I have no idea why that is because the place was hardly full..
So yeah, the economics of it don't make a lot of sense to me either.
I have no idea why that is because the place was hardly full..
So yeah, the economics of it don't make a lot of sense to me either.
Frozenprince
Banned
Yep. Like I said, the Japanese working culture is basically a slow suicide for them as a people now.
Migrant workers who come to work Tsukiji, or temp staff for events or any sort of flux worker can't afford a decent living situation despite working upwards of 80 hours a week.
It's pretty absurd.
When I went there I saw one.
That video was depressing. The younger generation need to stand up and change things.
God bless it.
WAT
Those gaming Cafes sound pretty nice though with those drink bars and showers. I still can't believe a gaming cafe has showers lmao
Frozenprince
Banned
Teach me your ways, master.
Why are the Japanese working themselves to depression and death? I understand that working hard is a virtue over there, but what could possibly happen if they stopped working more than 8-9 hours a day?
Seriously, the guy was saying that ontop of his regular 8 hours, he had to put in an additional 8 hours. 16 hours of work a day. Not enough time to actually go home and see your wife and children...
In fact, how can ANYBODY work that ridiculous amount of time? Even slaves didn't.
Seriously, the guy was saying that ontop of his regular 8 hours, he had to put in an additional 8 hours. 16 hours of work a day. Not enough time to actually go home and see your wife and children...
In fact, how can ANYBODY work that ridiculous amount of time? Even slaves didn't.
Kinda relevant with the depression topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmNUGGGd_E8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmNUGGGd_E8
Barajas_201
Member
Not only that but in the second video they talk about how bosses abuse of them physically too.
Isn´t their school system ruthless too? No free time, study all day, I guess its just the way they are raised and why escapisms media like videogames and animation its so huge there.
Frozenprince
Banned
JordanN
Banned
I'm not an expert on Japanese culture, but I heard the reason Japan works so much is because of this guy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming
Something, something, post World War 2. Japan had to rebuild themselves. His philosophy helped get Japan back on their feet and later become an economic powerhouse. They stuck with it ever since.
marimorimo
Member
From what I hear it's much, much more brutal in Korea than in Japan for kids in school. But I would have hated studying in Japan until high school. They have school SIX days of the week. All Saturdays. And if you're in a school club, you're probably at school during Sunday too. Not to mention being made to go to a cram school after school hours. I don't think I would have survived.
They make up for all the lost time by partying like crazy and going wild during college (hardly anybody studies at the university level).
CadetMahoney
Member
mind blown.
Sitting on a hard surface coupled with bad posture for hours on end, only a young person would firm that.
They should have screens + keyboard brace tilted and positioned on maneuverable arms so you can lie down at an angle.
Problem with that is ppl would get too comfortable and start watching porn.
Never go to Asian high school,
Here is my old school schedule in my old country : Mon- Sat, 7:30 Am - 12:00 Pm, then depend on the school, some school have a sleeping room, some you go home. 2:00 PM - 5:50 PM. After this depend on the school, some have mandatory tuition classes, some don't,and the tuition class usually end around 7:00 PM.
Sometime school hold event on Sunday too.
squallheart
Member
Oh my that's brutal o. O. I don't know what's worse my body after a long day in retail or their mind after all that studying. I remember my friend would get students that would come and stay here in California for two weeks, like foreign exchange, and a lot of the girls would want to date someone from here. Don't know if that ties in to the escapism of getting away from that lifestyle etc.
Sakura
Member
Well I mean think about it. If you are sitting there showing up at 9am, and going home at 5pm, meanwhile every one else is staying until 11pm finishing work etc. Then how do you think that looks? You're never going to get promoted, because you aren't putting as much hours in as these guys, assuming of course you don't get fired, and your coworkers are obviously going to think less of you.
Not every job is like this of course, it's just that there are more overall than the west, and the work ethic is somewhat different.
Eh, maybe in korea or something, but it's not really that bad in Japan.
I agree.
Dreamgazer
Member
I honestly don't think it's that bad.
At least for Japan, Saturday has always been half days with simple classes.
There was adequate breaks between classes + lunch/nap/clean up times and club activities are never necessary.
The only bad thing was if you're topped with cram school afterward + the entrance exam pressure. The pay off is that Japanese colleges are a super lax joke.
Y is that? Here in the states it's the exact opposite. High Schools a joke but then you have people struggle during college due to the competitiveness.
Dreamgazer
Member
The next closest and "smallest" thing would be capsule hotels, which would be anywhere from $10-30 USD more per night compared to a manga cafe. You trade up for some more privacy (at least no one can peak in to see what you're doing.), hotel amenities (breakfast, pool, massage chair), personal AC and something that is more of a bed + blanket.
I highly doubt there is a demand for something in between the two where I don't even have unlimited manga to read.
I was fortunate enough that I don't have to go through the last year of High School in Japan/Taiwan/Asia, so I can't give personal insights on the college life there (returned to the US during early High School.)
However, based on what I've seen with my cousins:
1) Your employ-ability is pretty much set once you get into a decent college or university. Sadly that also means that going to a more famous college is always better than going to an academically-better college. My one cousin attended Kyoto and pretty much slacked her way to a decent managerial position at a large international hotel chain. She was a journalism major with no relevant experience prior.
2) The culture to study just isn't there anymore. People crammed like crazy to get into college, and they're just not willing to do the same after they supposedly reached the "goal". College is expected to be about partying, relaxing + networking.
3) Attendance not being 100% mandatory on most classes = why bother. Although that's pretty much the same in the US.
Aizo
Banned
One time, when I was traveling alone up North with something similar to the seishun 18 kippu, I ended up in a pub in Yamagata City until midnight with nowhere to stay. Talked to some japanese people until the place closed, and one offered me a ride to a netcafe. The comfy computer chair folded all the way back, and I was surprised how well I slept. Really awesome when you can't find/afford a hotel.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I can't even imagine myself in a situation like that. Time to say thanks.
Any Questions
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SarcasticD
Member
God bless it.
What de bloodclot....
Watching this documentary and the hardships many must endure on a daily basis is something most dystopian writers couldn't have imagined.
Depressing series. http://mediastorm.com/clients/japans-disposable-workers-for-pulitzer-center
Depressing series. http://mediastorm.com/clients/japans-disposable-workers-for-pulitzer-center
Seems like a more interesting proposition to me than a capsule hotel if you can't get to your regular hotel/hostel/rental room and have to stay the night somewhere for cheap.
Free drinks, free ice cream, showers and entertainment. Why not?
Edit: Wow, had this tab open overnight and now this thread was long gone.
Free drinks, free ice cream, showers and entertainment. Why not?
Edit: Wow, had this tab open overnight and now this thread was long gone.
But even what is presented is simply one aspect that doesn't necessarily represent the majority who choose that option at some point in their life. In this thread alone, each gamer who reports to have done this in Japan has positive thoughts about the experience.
Sure, sad personal situations exist, but that is true for any type of poor housing scenario at various places in the world (where some stories are worse, and some while not great are not as bad).
Frozenprince
Banned
I spent a good deal of time from age 16-22 being sporadically homeless. A place like that would have been great.
Is it optimal? No. But the alternative is a lot of low pay migrant workers end up sleeping in bus stations. There is no good answer or solution here. Not one that wouldn't take a very long time and a rather large cultural shift to accomplish.
Frozenprince
Banned
The diet is full of the same old men that made the country this way. For the most part.
Exr
Member
Yeah its not much but its better than nothing. When I was brickfaced one night I slept in a 24 hour internet place in Tokyo. Had its own cubicle with a big leather cushion big enough to lie down on. Ony in the morning did I shudder at the thought of running a blacklight over the place.