Dr_LucienSanchez
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Ah, besides those two quotes being poor examples of jackassery in this thread, I'd just argue that 'some people can be annoying.' The singling out of vegans and vegetarians is just a tad ridiculous.
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Some vegans and vegetarians can be annoying
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Ah, besides those two quotes being poor examples of jackassery in this thread, I'd just argue that 'some people can be annoying.' The singling out of vegans and vegetarians is just a tad ridiculous.
I wouldn't call it constant, as they can produce milk for up to 2 years but I get your point. If the carf is female it usually grows up to be a producer anyway.
Captain Europe
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It's pretty fucking disgusting how we treat animals.
SneakyStephan
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I had many muslim friends while growing up, all of whom would not eat pork and were taught it was wrong.
Yet none of them ever gave me shit for eating pork or told me to justify it to them.
This is why vegans and vegetarians can be fucking annoying.
Meat is delicious, that's all the justification needed.
Yet none of them ever gave me shit for eating pork or told me to justify it to them.
This is why vegans and vegetarians can be fucking annoying.
Meat is delicious, that's all the justification needed.
Fenderputty
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This is my point. You think I'm a murderer and I think you're being laughable. Why can't we just meet in the middle and be courteous of each other?
BTW, I don't think you were being a dick. I realize this is a semi-charged discussion and people's view will clash.
If any vegans come to my house, they can expect to be treated well and have a meal prepared for them. Just do the same in return. And if you really care that much, at least don't get offended if I come "prepared"
You'd think after 9 years here I would learn...
In reference to the topic I've never met a vocal pushy vegan. I've had friends over for dinner that were vegan and it was not a problem to cook something. It was a fun challenge. The funny thing is that the vegans never told me, it was always a friend who told me in advance that one of the guests did not eat meat.
OverBlood 3
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I don't bring up veganism or push my beliefs on anyone else. Yes, I think people that eat meat are doing something unethical but that is the only logical conclusion based on what I think that makes sense - but that doesn't mean I think of anyone as any worse. It's not like I believe they're killing animals out of malice or spite. Of course I would much rather everyone be apart of a system that kills less animals, but realistically you can't curry favor with people by adamantly engaging with them - I am conscious of how annoying and counterproductive that is. If 'pushing' my beliefs on someone would actually do something, I would engage people with it, but for now I keep to myself and try to look healthy and live by example.
In a previous post, I asked if eating meat was morally defensible in a general sense - not for them to justify their choices to me, but being in the spirit of conversation and argument, I was genuinely curious about peoples' answers. Of course I don't think people that eat meat are bad people at all. I don't bring up my diet to anyone because I know it accomplishes nothing. I don't think they're murderers, either, because most meat eaters wouldn't kill an animal with their bare hands if they had the choice. When it somehow comes up (because of something I order or cook or whatever), I get the same schpiel from everyone about why they think it's unhealthy, or illogical, or, hey, how do you know plants don't suffer? Way more often than not... And after awhile it does get old.
Messofanego
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I will call out bacon for looking boring in burgers or whatever if a friend has them, but man those strip things, they look delish.
I'd have to be a muslim tool to shit on someone's hammy love.
I already said that any statement can be intellectually challenging if it has sound logic. This means that my premise assumed that the person would provide said facts or reasoning after making their statement, and was not just making a single declaration and moving on. Meaning, I assumed that this person would both declare their position and subsequently defend it.
The point I was trying to make is that saying "X is immoral" can be an intellectually challenging action if you do it tactfully. If I start the discussion with, "Do you know that you're a disgusting person for doing X?" it is unlikely that any facts or reasoning I later provide – no matter how extensive – will be effective in convincing others. From that angle, you're correct; maybe highly-charged moral declarations aren't very effective at stimulating intellectual thought and discussion.
On the other hand, eating meat is something that is very common. Most people do not question the things they commonly do; they just believe it is normal to do so because they have always done it. By saying X is immoral, given that X is a very common act, you are engaging the person from a perspective that they may not have considered before. Even if you didn't provide any reasoning or facts whatsoever, which is unlikely, it has the potential to make them ponder on the subject. So, it technically can be intellectually stimulating, if the receiver of the message can suppress their emotional response to the abrasiveness of your statement (as many do in debates, for example) and/or decide to ruminate on the validity of your claim afterwards, but that's not something you can really rely on.
I hope that makes sense, because it is very late, I may have not written my thoughts clearly.
Gormless Noodle
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What annoys me about some vegans/vegetarians is that they berate eating meat on one end and sit there stuffing soy products in their mouth on the other. Soy beans, being mainly made in Brazil, cause a lot of rainforest deforestation and while only a tenth of the total production ends up in tofu, meat substitutes and so on, it's still pretty significant. Now obviously you can avoid that by checking where your food actually comes from, but not all that many seem to bother with that. So essentially you're still creating a lot of misery (especially to animals) by what you eat.
Instead of repeating that idiotic meme, maybe consider the fact that vegans HAVE to tell people they are vegan because their diet & lifestyle is so different that they need to make certain their lifestyle doesn't clash with something that is being served at parties etc.. Of course if someone is having a birthday party or BBQ night a vegan must say he/she's vegan and ask if they could have at least some vegan dishes at the party or as an explanation why they aren't eating your steaks & bacon & shit and are bringing their own food.
Instead of overreacting, you could just see it's a joke and chill out ?
Nice try but most meat substitutes marketed to vegans use either soy from sustainable sources (the tofu I buy is made in the EU) or are made from wheat.
If you genuinely care about rainforest deforestation you should go vegan.
terrisus
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Alright?
I know some annoying steak-eaters, constantly trying to convert me and telling me I'm gross because I fully cook meat Lol
Most human-aimed soy products are produced organically (& it's especially easy to choose soy that is, organic products are marked pretty clearly) and even if it's not, it's better that they soy goes straight to humans instead of wasting it on animals (if you don't have organic alternatives but want to choose an alternative to meat). As you pointed out, the soy produced for humans even if it's not organic is only a small fraction of all the soy produced, so if people would eat less meat, that alone would be a massive improvement. The Earth & rainforests could probably easily sustain the kind of amounts humans would need soy in comparison to the current situation where it's wasted on animals.
cpp_is_king
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False assumption. As a meat eater, I cannot eat a vegan dish.
This is the kind of comment that gives Vegans there negative connotations. You know you can buy meat/eggs/milk that are sourced and feed locally ?
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Jotamide
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No fun allowed. Jpg
I am sorry the truth is uncomfortable to you.
Do you make sure the animals are fed feed that is locally sourced too?
Dr_LucienSanchez
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It's true. I've heard that if meat eaters eat vegan dishes, they just vanish in a poof of smoke.
Well overcooking meat is sort of wasteful. Hopefully you stick to basic sirloin for your well done steaks.
Overreacting? You're the one overreacting if you feel the need to protect the use of some idiotic meme to which I gave a perfectly reasonable answer to (I'm not worked up by it, just answering to it). Besides, that meme is one of the ways vegans are always berated, even if it is "just a joke", which it's REALLY not, there's something meanspirited behind it most of the time.
I heard they shit themselves to death. All that fibre does them in.
cpp_is_king
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I've heard the same thing about vegans who eat meat dishes. See what I did there?
stufte
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Vegans who ask for special food at a party (why not just bring your own) aren't the ones the joke is aimed at. It's the ones who will try to interject their food ideology into any conversation, any time they can even if it's not appropriate. Now most vegans I know aren't like this which is why they find the joke funny, the insufferable ones like I described probably wouldn't laugh at it.
Dr_LucienSanchez
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Oh shit, I thought you were just being snarky with your original comment.
Now that it seems you were actually being honest, it's relatively saddening. The apparent fear that some people have over vegan or vegetarian food is really fucking bizarre.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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lol. You should explain this.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Hahahahaha
cpp_is_king
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Please explain why my dietary choices should be treated with less respect than yours. I don't eat vegetables. It's that simple. If there is rice or bread or something, I'll probably take a few bites. Then I'll leave and go get some meat so I can actually have a meal that I can eat. Why is my "fear of vegan / vegetarian food" any more bizarre than your "fear of meat"? It's my diet. Just like yours is yours. Incidentally, I don't go around criticizing vegetarians, making them feel bad, or anything else. And if one came over to my house, I would prepare something they can eat. I would expect them to prepare something I can eat if I go over to their house as well. If not, I just won't go.
That doesn't mean it's not extremely wasteful in comparison. Yay, it doesn't destroy rainforests, but you still need landareas & amounts of water that are in the double digits when comparing to producing some kind of plant-alternative, not to even mention the creation of greenhouse gases and possible other negative effects on the environment that cattle etc. cause that is not nearly as big of a problem with products of the plant kingdom. Rainforests aren't the only forests/environments that would need to be protected from meat production.
And why not? A good vegan cook can make a dish that most meat-eaters can't tell from the "real deal." Sure, steaks are hard to replace, but pretty much everything else (minced meat, chicken, even bacon) is easily replaceble by other products in a way that 1) you can't even notice the difference, 2) the difference is so small that it's close enough and you can get used to it or 3) the alternative isn't close to meat in taste or texture, but it's an extremely delicious food you can use in place of meat in a lot of dishes (i.e. good falafel).
Truth is really comfortable as lots of the cows in the UK are grass feed. So you see you can eat meat and care for the environment, you don't have to be vegan as you stated.
Vegans CAN'T eat meat. There's nothing preventing you, as a meat-eater, from expanding your horizon (you do know that a highly protein emphasizing diet is extremely unhealthy, it does a number on your liver, for one). Vegans don't have a "fear of meat", they have principles that prevent them from eating meat (don't want to kill creatures for food, clothes etc., want to minimize their effect on Earth and so on). That's a completely different deal from you being a picky eater.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Yep! People greatly underestimate or choose to ignore just how much eating meat requires of the planet. This is just water, for example: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/aug/23/water.famine
CornBurrito
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That's a rather poor justification. Or would you apply it to human meat? No? That's ridiculous you say? So clearly that isn't all the justification needed.
cpp_is_king
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They can't eat meat why? Answer: Because they choose not to. I choose not to eat vegetables. Why is my reason less valid than your reason?
Lord Thrappleper The 49th
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Remember when swine flu came along? They bloody loved that didn't they? 'Told you' they kept saying. Some of them even managed to gather enough energy to smile.
3 sure, 1 and 2 are bullshit. I don tknow why people keep pressing that idea.
DoktorEvil
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Actually, see my post:
Vegans don't eat anything from an animal and are against anything sources from certain animals, including clothing and materials.
Vegetarians don't eat meat, possibly for ethical reasons.
Vegans and vegetarians are fundamentally different. Don't confuse the 2.
FinalStageBoss
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Sucks for you
You're going to die young.
Plus, try some kale/greens sauteed with some butter, onions, and garlic. Not just by itself, but take that, and put it on top of your steak. Thank me later.
CornBurrito
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Do you actually not eat vegetables at all, or are you pretending to do something no actual normal human does for the sake of a dumb argument?
Yeeeeah, no. It doesn't really matter how the meat is produced, it is and will always be a fuckton more wasteful than food production for a vegan AND bad for the environment; not just in that you use tons more resources, but cattle is one of the worst sources of greenhouse gases. Grass fed cow is the lesser one of two "evils", but it's still not good for the environment when compared to vegan lifestyle's effect on the environment.
Good for you if you can afford it. It's still an ecological disaster but on a more local level.
terrisus
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People telling other people what and how they should eat, and criticising their food choices?
>.>
I used to eat chicken. The "simulated" chicken nuggets I buy at the grocery store taste exactly the same.
Dr_LucienSanchez
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I really don't care about your dietary choices. I can't emphasize that enough. I'm not sure why you're thinking I'm attacking or critisizing you.
I am however allowed to think that something is extremely strange. Somebody who seemingly would shun the thousands of amazing vegetarian dishes that have arisen is, like I said, fucking bizarre and incomprehensible to me. Equally incomprehensible is the perceived victimization from people who eat meat in this thread, with crazy scenarios of bbqs and dinner parties.
All this to say, I had falafel for dinner tonight and it was wonderful.
That stuff is crazy. Animal products aren't in everything. There are things that are vegan without going out of the way to make them vegan.
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