This thread keeps on giving.
What gave it away? Was it his name?
I wonder how many people get the reference of his name.
This thread keeps on giving.
What gave it away? Was it his name?
I am curious why do you think the gap will shrink in January? I expect the PS4 to outsell the Xbox one in the US and worldwide, which would grow it. Granted I've only seen things like Amazon rankings being indicators, but they've been right every month so far. Has any retail sources commented on January?
I wonder how many people get the reference of his name.
What gave it away? Was it his name?
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http://scei.co.jp/corporate/release/150106_e.htmlNo. The "Sold to customers" was a GOOGLE TRANSLATION. Lol. See OP. Source is japanese.
Maybe they meant "sold/shipped to retailers" that would make sense.
But 4 million Units in 2 months only in europe+asia. How is that even possible?
I'd say your ranges are well centered, but a bit wide. lol 19M shipped would be very shallow stock for Sony. They had 300k unsold at the end of 2013, and that was with significant airlifting to meet demand. I didn't hear similar reports of pushing stock forward this year, and they're in more markets now, which would widen the channels. Like I said, I could see something a low as 750k unsold, but I think we'd seen shortages on our end if they were down in the 500k range. Similarly, if they had 1.5M in the channel, I don't think German retailers would be complaining about not being able to keep them in stock.Sorny seems to be a troll. Can we report him or something?
And in regards to the question you asked me serversurfer. 30m sounds about right. I'd take that number to be 30m though, not less.
19-20m for PS4
10-11m for X1.
I never said I didn't believe the number. But I call into question that it's a number that can remain solid at 42% when there are so many factors involved in it. At what point in time was the number 42%? Is that number based on current gen sales in the previous month? Is it derived from last gen's overall sales? Is it derived as of the month of December of Wii-U, PS4, XBO?
42% of console sales one month could be a different number another month. 42% is the total percentage of US sales for what slice of time?
Tokyo, January 6, 2015 – Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCE) today announced that the PlayStation®4 (PS4™ computer entertainment system has cumulatively sold through more than 18.5 million units*1 worldwide as of January 4, 2015
In English.
I don't know where the 42% number is from but PS4 US LTD is 6.7 million (Is that number right?) and WW LTD is 18.5 million the US market would make ~ 38% of overall PS4 sales.
Oh wow....
I just did a google translate from Japanese to English and it looks like "Sorny" was right all along......
Oh wow....
I just did a google translate from Japanese to English and it looks like "Sorny" was right all along......
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Come on man.
I'd say your ranges are well centered, but a bit wide. lol 19M shipped would be very shallow stock for Sony. They had 300k unsold at the end of 2013, and that was with significant airlifting to meet demand. I didn't hear similar reports of pushing stock forward this year, and they're in more markets now, which would widen the channels. Like I said, I could see something a low as 750k unsold, but I think we'd seen shortages on our end if they were down in the 500k range. Similarly, if they had 1.5M in the channel, I don't think German retailers would be complaining about not being able to keep them in stock.
Right, so the number is already 4% off when speaking about PS4 only. That's why I was trying to get an exact frame of reference for that percentage.
FYI.
My image is photo shopped... You guys can't tell?
No. The "Sold to customers" was a GOOGLE TRANSLATION. Lol. See OP. Source is japanese.
Maybe they meant "sold/shipped to retailers" that would make sense.
But 4 million Units in 2 months only in europe+asia. How is that even possible?
Fair enough. Regarding AMD's number, I was thinking as high as 29.9M, but yeah, I suppose it could even be as high as 29.99M. lolI agree that the PS4 number is likely to be closer to 19.5m than 19.0m
But I give a broad range because we won't know the official number till Sony announces it.
EDIT- YIKES!!!
Fair enough. Regarding AMD's number, I was thinking as high as 29.9M, but yeah, I suppose it could even be as high as 29.99M. lol
It'd be a real shame to short MS by as much as 90k units.
Right, so the number is already 4% off when speaking about PS4 only. That's why I was trying to get an exact frame of reference for that percentage.
Sure, ignoring the fact that it was reported in English by Sony at a press event. The OP itself was just never updated with that further information that is readily available in other parts of this thread.
As I said before I remember aqua saying the US made up 42% of total console/games worldwide sales. I could have misinterpreted or misread what she said. Hopefully she drops in and clarifies everything.
That's a very broad statement and doesn't apply specifically to the X1.
As I said before, the 42% number has nothing to do with the X1 and should not be used to work out worldwide sales of the X1.
Overall console market maybe.
Which major games do you think Microsoft's going to bundle free with their $50 cheaper console throughout the year?It's a rough estimation but looking to the global sales, not seems completely crazy. Ps4 sell incredibly better in the rest of the world but slightly worse in US, Xbox notable worse in the rest of the world but better in US with not an incredible margin like ps4 in the rest of the world. That's where coming my estimation. Well I don't said it's exact math.
I wanna wait for actual people with the knowledge,as I said I could have misinterpreted what she said. If it is correct that means all consoles and games with in that 42% in the US. So how wouldn't xbox fit into that?
We'll never get exact percentages unless sony tells us. All we can do is use the information we have and for that <5% difference isn't that bad.
Because you responded to someone who was specifically talking about Xbox One. You said that US = 42% so then people used that number to work out that if 6.2m people bought an Xbox One in the USA that means there would be 14m+ worldwide sold
Clearly this is very wrong.
So the 42% does not apply to the Xbox One specifically.
In the original context (a number of pages ago now) this number was used to say that the overall console market see's the USA have a ~42% share. But even this number isn't verified, nor was it posted by Aqua. We don't know if this number was for one month of sales or one year of sales. It's just a random number.
Therefore there is no point posting this over and over as if it means something. It doesn't.
The gap shrunk from November to December, and will shrink again in January. It takes a couple months for hardware sales to level out post price drop. If the XB1 outsells the PS4 by a little bit in the USA, so what? It is not like the PS4 is selling poorly. Sony will take a near 50/50 split in the USA while dominating worldwide.
Heck, Sony hasn't even officially price dropped yet. Once they do they will get the type of bounce MS did with their aggressive November and December.
US is 38% of the console market for PS4, but a much, much higher percentage of the market for XBO. It's a silly metric. US has 42% of the console market, well that depends exactly on what console is being chosen, right? Next year, PS4 may continue to sell better in Europe and other WW locations and maybe it becomes the US is only 34% of the market of PS4 buyers.
The fact is that Sony has proven through last gen and part of this gen now that simply winning the US isn't everything. Even being close to even in NPD numbers lifetime has still resulted in a 2x WW sales swing in Sony's direction. The US is an important market, and is most likely the most important single market, but obviously a deficiency in US sales can be made up elsewhere. It's not the be-all and end-all.
No I responded to a poster who said The US is possibly 60% of worldwide sales, you might wanna check that out.
So does this now look like Gaf's assessment of the XB1 being around 10m was correct?
So does this now look like Gaf's assessment of the XB1 being around 10m was correct?
As a single market, yeah, but as whole Europe is 52% of video game sales. (The definition of "market" is kinda hazy; a large US city can be considered a market.)The US is an important market, and is most likely the most important single market,
So does this now look like Gaf's assessment of the XB1 being around 10m was correct?
I'd say between 9.5-10.5 million is possible, maybe a bit less depending on european sales.
In terms of shipped. I would say certainly over 10m. Closer to 11m.
Shipped, yes. How many XBO's are sitting on store shelves WW? How many are sitting in chain store distribution warehouses? I guess that's the real unknown.
"More than there should be" seems like a pretty safe assumption. German retailers are taking losses to be rid of it, and actually Amazon did the same thing in the US; after MS went back to $399, Amazon continued selling their stock at the Black Friday price of $329.Shipped, yes. How many XBO's are sitting on store shelves WW? How many are sitting in chain store distribution warehouses? I guess that's the real unknown.
How is 18.5 million sell through hard to comprehend when PS4 is available in 123 countries WW?
So the general assumption is that the "soon reach 10 million shipped to retailers" happened as of the start of January? Yeesh they jumped the gun with that announcement especially if rumors are true and they had to stuff the channels to do so. Surely it will have a severely negative impact on shipped numbers in this quarter. How can it possibly be profitable for them having to undercut the competition by $70 with 2 or more free games bundled in and then stuffing channels with extra units that far exceed current demand. This does not seem like a profitable strategy at all.
So the general assumption is that the "soon reach 10 million shipped to retailers" happened as of the start of January? Yeesh they jumped the gun with that announcement especially if rumors are true and they had to stuff the channels to do so. Surely it will have a severely negative impact on shipped numbers in this quarter. How can it possibly be profitable for them having to undercut the competition by $70 with 2 or more free games bundled in and then stuffing channels with extra units that far exceed current demand. This does not seem like a profitable strategy at all.
US is 38% of the console market for PS4, but a much, much higher percentage of the market for XBO. It's a silly metric. US has 42% of the console market, well that depends exactly on what console is being chosen, right? Next year, PS4 may continue to sell better in Europe and other WW locations and maybe it becomes the US is only 34% of the market of PS4 buyers.
The fact is that Sony has proven through last gen and part of this gen now that simply winning the US isn't everything. Even being close to even in NPD numbers lifetime has still resulted in a 2x WW sales swing in Sony's direction. The US is an important market, and is most likely the most important single market, but obviously a deficiency in US sales can be made up elsewhere. It's not the be-all and end-all.
As a single market, yeah, but as whole Europe is 52% of video game sales. (The definition of "market" is kinda hazy; a large US city can be considered a market.)
I was just curious, is there a formula for estimating how many console units are in retail/distribution or are people just using Fermi estimates?
These. Everyone keeps saying, "Only sales in America matter, not worldwide," but it doesn't matter to 3rd party publishers, especially small to mid 3rd party publishers & indie publishers. Who do you think they're going to mostly side with?
Who says that exactly?
I fall under "everyone", and I don't say that.
I say it all the time.Who says that exactly?
I fall under "everyone", and I don't say that.
I mean, some people, sorry about that.
But yeah, they think that U.S. is big enough, & everywhere else is irrelevant.