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[Sirolf]

Ok sorry for reposting this from the HDTV thread but this is very urgent :

I have bought a XBR5 last week and the smearing is absolutely horrific for me.
So tomorrow is the last day for the exchange of the tv.
I'm very tempted by the newest KURO and i have three questions for the experts :
-Is the picture as sharp as a LCD for games ?
-Are the green trails on a plasma as annoying as the smears on a LCD?
-And last question,is the burn-in period obligatory or not on the KURO?

Thanks in advance guys.

 

[Rentahamster]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858455

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858851

I'd like to buy a KURO, but at the moment, $5k is better spent in other areas.


To the OP: Just turn off all of the TV's post-processing features. That's about all you can do. Also, check to see if there is some kind of a "game mode" menu setting.

 

[aktham]

Ok sorry for reposting this from the HDTV thread but this is very urgent :

I have bought a XBR5 last week and the smearing is absolutely horrific for me.
So tomorrow is the last day for the exchange of the tv.
I'm very tempted by the newest KURO and i have three questions for the experts :
-Is the picture as sharp as a LCD for games ?
-Are the green trails on a plasma as annoying as the smears on a LCD?
-And last question,is the burn-in period obligatory or not on the KURO?

Thanks in advance guys.

Go with a Panny 50" thpz700u or 50" thpz750u (more tweaking options) and save half off the KURO. KURO is not worth the huge price tag compared to the panny plasmas because i had both.

Picture is basically like a high quality CRT but thin and 1080p, so no complaints about the picture. SD viewing is also better than LCD (for the wii and cable).

I have never seen any trails what so ever and this is the first time i hear of them. I do notice lag and blur on LCDs tho.

This was my first plasma and i broke it in for 100 hours just to be safe, but i don't notice any image retention so no burn in here .

 

[Truespeed]

First of all calm down. The smearing is due to a post processing effect that was probably turned on from the factory by default. Go to the menu and turn it off and the problem will be solved.

 

[Truespeed]

why would you buy an LCD HDTV to play games and not plasma? yeesh.

even at 120hz and 4ms refresh, it's still behind plasmas.

Just quit it.

 

[duk]

Just quit it.

that's cute

 

[C- Warrior]

To the OP, make sure your 360 is outputting at 720p or 1080i / p (whatever your TV natively does) in the dashboard console settings menu.

I heard that if it's not set properly, the scaling done by the TC could slow things down.

 

[cedric69]

Plasmas at the same resolution are cheaper in the US. LCDs are still way costlier and not as good in fast motion control and contrast ratio. Everyone thinks LCDs are rapidly increasing quality and that is true but so are plasmas.

This is coming from an LCD and Plasma owner. The top Plasmas beat the top LCDs in PQ.

I've been hearing this for the past three years. And year after year plasmas still come out on top regarding picture quality and zero blurriness.

 

[TEH-CJ]

To the OP, make sure your 360 is outputting at 720p or 1080i / p (whatever your TV natively does) in the dashboard console settings menu.

I heard that if it's not set properly, the scaling done by the TC could slow things down.

I have a ps3 dude

and its kinda hard to do that BECAUSE OF THE SUCKY ASS SCALER THE PS3 HAS!!1

problem is my tv is native 1080p and most games run at a native 720p

 

[C- Warrior]

I have a ps3 dude

and its kinda hard to do that BECAUSE OF THE SUCKY ASS SCALER THE PS3 HAS!!1

problem is my tv is native 1080p and most games run at a native 720p

Well, normally I'd say set the PS3's settings to 1080p, and let the console scale and leave the TV alone, but as you said -- PS3 can't scale worth dog shit.

So, I'd leave it at 720p for PS3's settings and your TV should scale the rest. Doesn't sound like a big issue. It's bad though when your TV has to deal with SD signals from people who leave their cosoles set at 480 resolutions.

 

[TEH-CJ]

Well, normally I'd say set the PS3's settings to 1080p, and let the console scale and leave the TV alone, but as you said -- PS3 can't scale worth dog shit.

So, I'd leave it at 720p for PS3's settings and your TV should scale the rest. Doesn't sound like a big issue. It's bad though when your TV has to deal with SD signals from people who leave their cosoles set at 480 resolutions.

Yea man true.

but its realy annoying the shit out of me dude.

like i would go as far as saying resistance and most fps's are unplayble, due to the delay time and feels waaaaay to slugish to be precise.

if this is the case i will be returning this tv and getting a plasma

 

[65536]

Thank you, that's exactly what i wanted to know. So this to me is ghosting with another name proper for the Plasma tech.
Since you seem to know about that, is there something like a refresh rate or whatever it would be called, some number you can look for and get an idea about how much phosphor lag you would get when shopping a Plasma?

Unfortunately there's not really anything that says how much phosphor lag there's going to be, and from what I've seen, most plasmas are fairly similar in this regard. Some people don't notice it though, and if you typically watch TV with the lights on it's not nearly as obvious.

It's too bad that plasma phosphor lag didn't manifest in white colors or something because the yellow/green trails (especially with bright content) is soooo irritating. On par with DLP rainbows.

If anything, I'd say it's worse than DLP rainbows, as high-speed wheels and things like LEDs have significantly reduced the effect on DLP now.

I do agree that it's a shame it ended up as a bright green trail as I also find it very annoying. While a CRT actually trails worse than Plasmas, it's a much darker hue, and isn't as bright so it doesn't stand out nearly as much. (the photo makes it look a lot brighter than it really is, though plasmas are at least as obvious as the photos show, to my eyes)

That's why, for now, I've gone back to using CRTs for watching television / gaming. (I use a 19" CRT monitor that can do 1080p for all my games) The size sucks, but LCD/Plasma/DLP artefacts annoy me too much, and you can't really find any decent CRTs for sale in the UK any more. (and there were never any HD CRT TVs)

If I had to pick one (say my CRTs died) I would definitely go for a Plasma though, probably one of the 1080p Panasonics or a Pioneer. Even though the Panasonic doesn't look as good as the Pioneers, they're a lot cheaper in the UK. (less than half the price)

 

[MaX_PL]

that sucks. my dad is planning on purchasing a XBR4 tomorrow, but he's getting it for TV viewing only so i guess it doesnt matter much.

i have a samsung for my gaming needs.

 

[Pallaris]

This 'smear' on the XBR4 (X3500 in Europe) is no different to any other S-PVA panel i've owned in recent years. I have a 52W3000 myself (pretty much the same set without the 120hz motionflow) and with all the 'enhancements' turned off, it's only dark objects leaving trails in high contrast areas... pretty much an LCD mainstay. If you notch the brightness up to about 54-56 (and lower the backlight/picture (contrast) to compensate, the issue is greatly reduced. I think the reason why this smear might initially be more obvious on the current Sony range is due to the increased on-screen contrast ratio over past models.

 

[Afrikan]

so basically what is the best T.V. to have for my PS3..... no plasmas though....still cautious as far as longevity.....

I have always been told that the Sony Bravia XBR is the way to go.....

Spoiler

Damn you Payton.....

but now I don't know......the Samsung lcds 120hz or what ever...... seem interesting.......

or is DLP the way to go......

I'm still with my Sony 34" HDTV widescreen XBR CRT....for now.....but I feel I might be missing out on some bigger screens and true 720P/1080p smoothness.......compared to 1080i......

 

[MaX_PL]

so basically what is the best T.V. to have for my PS3..... no plasmas though....still cautious as far as longevity.....

I have always been told that the Sony Bravia XBR is the way to go.....

Spoiler

Damn you Payton.....

but now I don't know......the Samsung lcds 120hz or what ever...... seem interesting.......

or is DLP the way to go......

I'm still with my Sony 34" HDTV widescreen XBR CRT....for now.....but I feel I might be missing out on some bigger screens and true 720P/1080p smoothness.......compared to 1080i......

you wanna trade my 32 inch samsung for that sony crt? trust me buying an lcd was the worst decision ever. yes for movies theyre great, but for gaming, ha.

 

[JaCk BuRtOn]

2 words : PIONEER KURO

Best flat panel display there is and its a plasma !

 

[Quagm1r3]

Hearing about these enhancements, I'm wondering if my LCD has any (Sharp Aquos 32"). Even if it did, I have no idea how to turn them on or off.

 

[Capoeira]

This was my first plasma and i broke it in for 100 hours just to be safe, but i don't notice any image retention so no burn in here .

Same here. I was paranoid about burn in during the first 100 hours so I tried staying away from static images. I did cave in and start gaming on it during the break-in period but even then I ran into zero problems. Burn in is myth. So long as you take the appropriate care during it's early hours, you'll be safe.

Now that my set has finally settled in, I've loving it. I've got the picture settings where I want them and my games have never looked better. The size/value ratio is far more attractive than that of LCD panels too which is the reason why I decided on a plasma in the end.

I've never noticed any type of color smearing on my panel btw.

 

[JaCk BuRtOn]

so basically what is the best T.V. to have for my PS3..... no plasmas though....still cautious as far as longevity.....

I have always been told that the Sony Bravia XBR is the way to go.....

Spoiler

Damn you Payton.....

but now I don't know......the Samsung lcds 120hz or what ever...... seem interesting.......

or is DLP the way to go......

I'm still with my Sony 34" HDTV widescreen XBR CRT....for now.....but I feel I might be missing out on some bigger screens and true 720P/1080p smoothness.......compared to 1080i......

Trust me keep that sony crt its one of the best display in this size. I'm using one thats 1 years old and its not even a xbr its the standard model 34" widscreen hd and boy the pic is so great. Blacks are unbelievable, no lag, color pops out crazy !!! Sony was the king of crt and it shows !

 

[Bildi]

Yeah, I don't get burn-in issues on my Samsung plamsa either. I was careful at first (but I also played about 70 hours of Twilight Princess during the run-in period, checking periodically to be safe. Didn't have any issues).

After 200 hours I did whatever I wanted and I don't worry about it anymore. I still check every couple of months out of interest but haven't had any problems even after a few hours of gaming with a constant HUD.

Coming from a Sony CRT to big flatscreen, the biggest issue (for me) was black levels. The Pioneer, Panasonic and Samsung plasmas I found fine, and some of the new LCDs including the Samsung and Sony seem to be getting very good. It's the sort of thing that's hard to determine in a showroom, but I'd watch out for it.

 

[Surfheart]

I've got the older series Bravia LCD and have all the enhancements off but got a pretty rich looking image just thru adjustments to colour/contrast/backlight/brightness etc


Not sure if the settings are comparable on the new sets, but mine are:

Backlight: 4
Brightness: 45
Contrast:75
Sharpness: 45
colour: 48

My PS3 colours look nice and saturated via HDMI on those settings.

 

[Nizz]

That's strange, I've found that Samsung's LCDs have been much worse for posterisation than the latest BRAVIAs with their 10-bit panel & processing. 10-bit still isn't enough to avoid it in dark areas though, so there still is some. (some of it is also the game) You need a 12-bit panel & 16-bit processing to have gradations on par with a high-end CRT, and even the best Plasmas aren't there yet. (the Pioneer Kuros have the least posterisation I've seen of any flat panel though)

I've been seriously thinking about switching from my CRT HDTV to an LCD set. Should I even bother? I read somewhere else that for gaming CRT's were probably the best to game on in regards to lag. I'd love a Sony 32" 720p LCD for a bedroom.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Is this like the next step in Sony bashing or something?
Turn off motion enhancement and issue is resolved.
It has a game/text mode that turns off motion enhance and looks great or you can just keep everything standard and turn off motion enhance.
I especially can not believe that people are pointing at the Xbr4/5s and then in the same breath trying to say another lcd is better.

 

[bigswords]

Cost? Over here plasmas are still a bit more expensive and not all of them reach to 1280x720 or above.

Plus heat! Damn plasmas are like hot air vents.

 

[ThirstyFly]

Not ghosting, but there is phosphor lag. Basically when anything bright moves across the screen (it's most noticeable with that anyway) the colours will split up a bit, leaving a bright green trail:

Apparently not everyone can see this though.

Hrm. A friend of mine just bought a big-ass (50" I believe) Panasonic plasma and I was over when he took it out of the box and set it up. First thing I noticed was the horrible blurring of the icons in the PS3 menu when I tried that out. Scrolling though them quickly back and forth created a green blur/trail effect and after a bit of Resistance it started to really irritate my eyes.

No one else seemed to notice though. Guess now I know why. Lucky me.

Looks like I'll be going LCD when I upgrade my personal TV if it's a tech issue with all plasmas.

 

[TEH-CJ]

Is this like the next step in Sony bashing or something?
Turn off motion enhancement and issue is resolved.
It has a game/text mode that turns off motion enhance and looks great or you can just keep everything standard and turn off motion enhance.
I especially can not believe that people are pointing at the Xbr4/5s and then in the same breath trying to say another lcd is better.

No sony hate man ( check my post history)

But i have all enhancements off and game mode on and yet it still lags more than my previous LCD ( hitatchi), it seriously is unplayable no matter what i do. Its Ironic that my hitachi with half of the specs of the bravia ( not to mention price...) outperforms it when it comes to lag.

its unnaceptable of a TV of this caliber and price to perform worse than a crappy old $1500LCD, it really is. Sure the PQ of the bravia looks phenominal ( boy does it look good) but when it comes to see it in motion, it fals flat on its face.

very dissapointed and I'm not the only one...

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-10151_102-0.html?forumID=96&threadID=252390&messageID=2515102

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=916128

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=943358

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=943266

terrible.

 

[Brimstone]

so basically what is the best T.V. to have for my PS3..... no plasmas though....still cautious as far as longevity.....

I have always been told that the Sony Bravia XBR is the way to go.....

Spoiler

Damn you Payton.....

but now I don't know......the Samsung lcds 120hz or what ever...... seem interesting.......

or is DLP the way to go......

I'm still with my Sony 34" HDTV widescreen XBR CRT....for now.....but I feel I might be missing out on some bigger screens and true 720P/1080p smoothness.......compared to 1080i......

To get a screen only slighter larger than your 34", I'll wager you'll be disapointed. CRT's have great image quality and have no problem handling fast motion. Your CRT is about as good as it gets.



If you have room space, I think screen size is one of the best things to go for. Gaming on a mammoth sized screen is cool. To double your current CRT size at a resonable price, you would have to go with a DLP set. Samsung has DLP sizes all the way up to 72 inches. Sony has large screen size SXRD sets, but once again this is a LCD based technology (LCoS), so you get the "sample and hold" issue.


Next year Samsung DLP sets will be improving in two key area's, a new LED light engine for a 100,000:1 contrast ratio, and a brand new DLP chip design called Darkchip 4.


Also Panasonic will probably have a new line of Plasma displays that are improved in all area's.

 

[Koren]

TSony has large screen size SXRD sets, but once again this is a LCD based technology (LCoS), so you get the "sample and hold" issue.

I was seriously thinking about SXRD sets (even if I find 55" a bit too large, though). Any information on lag on those ? I must say I can't stand lag, and that's a serious problem with most sets nowadays (and it's very difficult to have informations on it).

(I'm talking about european versions, like KDS55-A2000, there's some variations with US models if I'm not mistaken, but any intel on those sets is welcomed)

 

[Ubersnug]

I've got the Samsung Q97 50" plasma (PS50Q97HDX) and I've never experienced any phosphor lag whatsoever and I do regularly play in low light conditions. When I first set it up I disabled most of the image enhancements, reduced the contrast (Which was stupidly high), the sharpness etc etc. I then slowly turned features on and adjusted the image settings as I used the set.

Also, I have only ever experienced 2 mild cases of image retention and that was when we accidently left the House MD dvd on the episode select screen and the hud from the Battlestar XBLA game left a residual image behind. But they either disappeared in a matter of minutes or the next thing to appear on the screen soon wiped the retained image away.

 

[CoG]

I've been seriously thinking about switching from my CRT HDTV to an LCD set. Should I even bother? I read somewhere else that for gaming CRT's were probably the best to game on in regards to lag. I'd love a Sony 32" 720p LCD for a bedroom.

I went from a Sony Trinitron SDTV to a 46" top of the line Samsung LCD. While I like the new set, having not seen a CRT in months I visited relatives yesterday with the same CRT as I used to have. Four things hit me, two bad, two good. First I noticed the CRT "whistle" as soon as I walked in the house, not everyone can hear it but it's annoying. Second I noticed the scanlines right off the bat, but after a half-hour my eyes filtered them out.

Ok for the good, the contrast absolutely blows *any* flat panel out the window. I'm talking all LCDs, DLP, and plasmas including the Pioneer Kuros. I swear I came home and my LCD seemed black and white in comparison and it's ANSI contrast is just short of 2,000, which is very high for a flat-panel. Second the motion is spot on. All flat-panel displays lag or blur in some manner or another. The CRT was rock solid the entire time (was playing Wii all day). It just made everything seem so much more solid.

IMO, all flat panel has going for it is size, resolution, and less bulk. I'm half tempted to go back to a CRT TV but my eyes are again used to the LCD and it's good enough, but PQ-wise a huge step back in every area but resolution and lack of scan lines.

People with CRTs, don't be in a rush to jump to flat-panel. Even the high-end plasmas are a downgrade in some regards. Just make sure you research and see them in person before you buy.

 

[TerryLee81]

I went from a Sony Trinitron SDTV to a 46" top of the line Samsung LCD. While I like the new set, having not seen a CRT in months I visited relatives yesterday with the same CRT as I used to have. Four things hit me, two bad, two good. First I noticed the CRT "whistle" as soon as I walked in the house, not everyone can hear it but it's annoying. Second I noticed the scanlines right off the bat, but after a half-hour my eyes filtered them out.

Ok for the good, the contrast absolutely blows *any* flat panel out the window. I'm talking all LCDs, DLP, and plasmas including the Pioneer Kuros. I swear I came home and my LCD seemed black and white in comparison and it's ANSI contrast is just short of 2,000, which is very high for a flat-panel. Second the motion is spot on. All flat-panel displays lag or blur in some manner or another. The CRT was rock solid the entire time (was playing Wii all day). It just made everything seem so much more solid.

IMO, all flat panel has going for it is size, resolution, and less bulk. I'm half tempted to go back to a CRT TV but my eyes are again used to the LCD and it's good enough, but PQ-wise a huge step back in every area but resolution and lack of scan lines.

People with CRTs, don't be in a rush to jump to flat-panel. Even the high-end plasmas are a downgrade in some regards. Just make sure you research and see them in person before you buy.

But why did you buy an LCD and no Plasma?

 

[CoG]

But why did you buy an LCD and no Plasma?

If I had to buy another flat-panel I would consider a plasma. I don't want to worry about IR and break-in as I use it as a PC monitor so that's what pushed me to LCD. Either way, I'm just shocked just how much better CRT is and I wonder how long it's going to take flat-panel to catch up.

 

[MaX_PL]

just came back from CC which was selling this for 2200. great price, great picture quality, but gaming sucks unless you have game mode on. with game mode on though, the game looks like ass, but runs much much smoother.

game mode is much much better on my 32 inch samsung 06 model, but this bravia is beautiful when displaying HD content so i cant complain.

i'll try to play with the settings and see if i can tweak picture controls with game mode on.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Don't Plasmas have a much shorter life expectancy than an LCD? I remember reading the gases or something in Plasmas deplete around 2 years or so and the PQ drops.

 

[65536]

Don't Plasmas have a much shorter life expectancy than an LCD? I remember reading the gases or something in Plasmas deplete around 2 years or so and the PQ drops.

60,000 hours to half-brightness, just like LCD, though the drop-off is much more gradual unlike LCD which drops quite a bit after its first year or two.

 

[Brimstone]

I was seriously thinking about SXRD sets (even if I find 55" a bit too large, though). Any information on lag on those ? I must say I can't stand lag, and that's a serious problem with most sets nowadays (and it's very difficult to have informations on it).

(I'm talking about european versions, like KDS55-A2000, there's some variations with US models if I'm not mistaken, but any intel on those sets is welcomed)

Of course, the marketing of displays clouds the situation up with misinformation.



I totally don't understand peoples logic with wanting slim TV's. Over 95% of the people that buy a large screen TV have it sitting on top of a display stand. Guess what, the display stand is around 20 inches deep to accomodate things like DVD players and audio recievers.


What the hell is the point of buying a slim display to sit on top of a 20 inch deep display stand? It makes no sense! Especially when you think of the high cost of large screen LCD and Plasma displays.

You gain no space savings with a slim display! It boggles the mind!


The marketing of "slim" is the most amazing load of crap in the last 5 years imho. Even Motorola got away with it with the "RAZR" phone. Unless you have a house built with wall mounting a LCD or Plasma in mind, you're going to have wires crawling up the wall that just looks ugly and tacky.


Rear projection displays like DLP and LCoS (Sony SXRD) offer so much more value. The picture quality is stunning on these sets.




I'm not sure, but hasn't Sony stopped selling SXRD in Europe?

 

[Kadey]

You forget that many people like having a nice looking setup. Just as every other electronics are seemingly getting smaller, this applies as well to tvs. People want the latest, not necessarily the greatest.

Anyway, this is another testimony to me not getting an XBR4. Thank god I didn't. :lol

 

[Nizz]

I went from a Sony Trinitron SDTV to a 46" top of the line Samsung LCD. While I like the new set, having not seen a CRT in months I visited relatives yesterday with the same CRT as I used to have. Four things hit me, two bad, two good. First I noticed the CRT "whistle" as soon as I walked in the house, not everyone can hear it but it's annoying. Second I noticed the scanlines right off the bat, but after a half-hour my eyes filtered them out.

Ok for the good, the contrast absolutely blows *any* flat panel out the window. I'm talking all LCDs, DLP, and plasmas including the Pioneer Kuros. I swear I came home and my LCD seemed black and white in comparison and it's ANSI contrast is just short of 2,000, which is very high for a flat-panel. Second the motion is spot on. All flat-panel displays lag or blur in some manner or another. The CRT was rock solid the entire time (was playing Wii all day). It just made everything seem so much more solid.

IMO, all flat panel has going for it is size, resolution, and less bulk. I'm half tempted to go back to a CRT TV but my eyes are again used to the LCD and it's good enough, but PQ-wise a huge step back in every area but resolution and lack of scan lines.

People with CRTs, don't be in a rush to jump to flat-panel. Even the high-end plasmas are a downgrade in some regards. Just make sure you research and see them in person before you buy.

I can't say I've ever heard my TV whistle :lol And I have no scan lines since my CRT is an HD set. It's a Toshiba, 30hf83, 30". But I agree on the contrast of a CRT. The black levels are great also. My top resolution though is 1080i. It also does 540p (540p?). Which is why the LCDs grab my attention. Since I didn't want anything over 32", 720p would be just fine. And my tv is just straight up heavy! It's got to be maybe 115 lbs? To move it around myself is just too bulky and inconvenient. I guess that's the draw of the LCD for me, pretty much same size set and weighs less than half of what my tv weighs right now. But I think I'll hold on to my set for the time being...

 

[Koren]

I'm not sure, but hasn't Sony stopped selling SXRD in Europe?

I hope not, I hate flat panels... I'm definitely on track for buying a rear projection (DLP or LCoS, depending on quality). The only fear I still have is lag (most people don't notice it, but I'm really sensitive to lag, especially with some games like golf, where I can tell the lag just by the way I swing ^_^ And I'm really fond of rythm games, also)

I'm keeping an eye on SXRD sets, and I see them available, although the prices don't go down. Maybe they partly gave up on rear projection in Europe, yes. That would be very bad news for me


I'd even buy a CRT over flat panel should there be CRT HD here in Europe (there's only one, and not so good). The problem is that my set is really crappy (an old Daewoo one), and I'd really like to change it.

 

[Brimstone]

I hope not, I hate flat panels... I'm definitely on track for buying a rear projection (DLP or LCoS, depending on quality). The only fear I still have is lag (most people don't notice it, but I'm really sensitive to lag, especially with some games like golf, where I can tell the lag just by the way I swing ^_^ And I'm really fond of rythm games, also)

I'm keeping an eye on SXRD sets, and I see them available, although the prices don't go down. Maybe they partly gave up on rear projection in Europe, yes. That would be very bad news for me


I'd even buy a CRT over flat panel should there be CRT HD here in Europe (there's only one, and not so good). The problem is that my set is really crappy (an old Daewoo one), and I'd really like to change it.

Well DLP is 1000 times faster than LCD.



LCD's are measured in milliseconds.

DLP's are measured in microseconds.



The speed gap between DLP and LCD is the size of the Grand Canyon.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Out of any of the HD technologies I've seen, DLP by far looks the best. No ghosting, great black levels, inexpensive. I don't see why anyone dumping thousands of dollars into a TV would get anything else, except they do have a relatively bulky size. Not nearly like the old school RPTVs though.

 

[SS4Rob]

Oh great. I currently have (had) a 50 inch Sony Grand Wega III (rear projection LCD) that I just sold and I was going to replace it with either a 52 inch Sony W3000 or XBR4 (leaning toward the W3000, not sure if the extra meseta is worth it for 120Hz). I was leaning toward the 58 inch Panasonic plasma Z700U but I was scared aware due to glare issues (this set would be going in a slightly brighter room) and lack of inputs/features. However now thanks to these comments I am back peddling. All advice is appreciated

 

[Kadey]

Oh great. I currently have (had) a 50 inch Sony Grand Wega III (rear projection LCD) that I just sold and I was going to replace it with either a 52 inch Sony W3000 or XBR4 (leaning toward the W3000, not sure if the extra meseta is worth it for 120Hz). I was leaning toward the 58 inch Panasonic plasma Z700U but I was scared aware due to glare issues (this set would be going in a slightly brighter room) and lack of inputs/features. However now thanks to these comments I am back peddling. All advice is appreciated

The upgrade to the PZ700 has an anti-glare screen. It works wonders.

 

[CoG]

Well DLP is 1000 times faster than LCD.



LCD's are measured in milliseconds.

DLP's are measured in microseconds.



The speed gap between DLP and LCD is the size of the Grand Canyon.

Aren't the viewing angles worse than LCD though?

 

[Brimstone]

Aren't the viewing angles worse than LCD though?

Yes, but they aren't much worse. But who buys a big TV just sit off to the side? When you play a video game don't you sit dead center? If you watch a movie sit dead center as well? When I go to the movie theater, I try to sit in the middle always.



The thing is you can buy a DLP so large the viewing angles don't matter and the cost is so low in comparison to other technologies.



The other day on Amazon I saw a 73inch Mitsubishi for $2499 with free shipping. Best Buy has a 65inch for $1499.

All the Mitsubishi models use a 6 color wheel, which makes them a bit nicer than some other brands. Samsung for instance uses a 5 color segment wheel.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Best Buy has a 65inch for $1499.

I just bought that one for my parents

Killer price for DLP and the insane screen size, 1080p ta boot. The sales applies for Saturday too (for anyone who wants one!).

Warranty was $200 fucken bucks though, FUCK

 

[Tortfeasor]

I have the xbr4 and love it for gaming. In fact, I don't even have cable hooked up to it, just my ps3, 360, and wii. I have noticed almost no blur, and have done an absolute shit-ton of gaming on it, including just getting to 120 stars on SMG.

I originally had a plasma (panny) and thought I was going crazy seeing yellow flashes whenever something moved quickly across the screen. I guess I am just one of the lucky ones who is sensitive to plasma lag.

My other tv is a sxrd, and the screen door effect really bothers me when gaming. I really think that LCD is the best way to go.

 

[MaX_PL]

I have the xbr4 and love it for gaming. In fact, I don't even have cable hooked up to it, just my ps3, 360, and wii. I have noticed almost no blur, and have done an absolute shit-ton of gaming on it, including just getting to 120 stars on SMG.

I had a plasma (panny) and thought I was going crazy seeing yellow flashes whenever something moved quickly across the screen. I guess I am just one of the lucky ones who is sensitive to plasma lag.

you dont play FPS' or racing games i take it. FPS' are unbearable with game mode off. everything looks amazing with gamemode off, but when its on it looks crappy.

anyone know if theres a way to calibrate it under gamemode to improve PQ just a bit?

also i'm loving the interface and prentation on this tv, and absolutely love how you can have settings for each input; this is something my samsung does not have.

 

[CoG]

Yes, but they aren't much worse. But who buys a big TV just sit off to the side? When you play a video game don't you sit dead center? If you watch a movie sit dead center as well? When I go to the movie theater, I try to sit in the middle always.

It kind of sucks having a sweet spot though. Sometimes I like to lay down at the end of the couch and the combination of vertical and horizontal shift washes out the color a little. For LCD the sweet spot is dead center and up to 30° in any direction.