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Sony cancels The Interview release after theaters pull out

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Lame, I wanted to see this. It was a pretty serious threat, but not one I think anyone in NK could actually follow up on..

..but I also believe that NK is stupid enough to actually consider a movie an act of war and then actually START a war.. a war they'd be crushed in.. but still.

So stupid.. You'd think Kim Jong-Un would have at least seen Pineapple Express and realized that Rogen's movies are just stupid fun.
 
To be honest, if one of the sites of my company suffered a leak of this magnitude, I think the parent company would just laser satellite the entire lot from orbit.

I mean, it doesn't absolve the fact that yes, the biggest amount of blame can and should be ultimately be put into the hackers, but let's not forget that Sony incompetence plays a huge part on this whole mess as well.

First, the PSN hack. Now this. Clearly Sony as a whole, even amongst their own divisions, has a history of sheer incompetence of securing their own infrastructure.
 
On this day some corporations put public safety ahead of the almighty dollar. And people fucking HATED them for it.

Or the day corporations bent over for a Totalitarian regime that made baseless threats against an American Public that is against the idea of said dictatorship to dictate what they may or may not consume.
 
That'll teach you that if you *are* a multi-billion international company, you'd do well to invest into securing your technology infrastructure more competently.

That the hackers were able to gain so much info and data from Sony in the first place was totally embarrassing for a company of that size. Extremely embarrassing.

Of course, now Sony'd happily play victim as if this whole mess has nothing to do with their sheer incompetence in the first place.

It's not like it's a common precedent that private corporations have to be able to withstand counterintelligence level hacking abilities from one of the stronger militaries in world.

I mean, you can't sit here and say Sony should have known better because nobody would have known that a country would direct military resources (and that's what this is, don't be mistaken) to attack a multinational corporation overseas.

Now, if Fox goes to make a movie about killing Vlad Putin in 12 months? Well, then, yeah... they should know to step up their security.

I just don't think it's fair to blame Sony for not knowing the lengths to which the DPRK would go.
 
http://i.imgur.com/XXKjxeD.jpg

Is this supposed to mean something?

Direct to DVD release for this? I can't see Sony just scrubbing all that cash, especially after the numerous redos of the finale they had Rogen do.
 
Even if you don't like Sony Pictures, or think the people at the top are assholes, hacking people's private info and posting it online is not acceptable (keep in mind, even employees and their families were harmed by this). Media outlets are disgusting for publishing what was stolen. The same places condemning everyone for posting anything from the celeb nude leak scandal.

It should just be a universal thing we agree on. Morally/ethically, it's not right to steal someones private data and publish it without consent. Even if the person is a piece of shit or bad.

True, that's a very valid point.
 
First, the PSN hack. Now this. Clearly Sony as a whole, even amongst their own divisions, has a history of sheer incompetence of securing their own infrastructure.

This is military grade espionage by all accounts. I wouldn't expect most corporate networks to hold up to that. They need to do a better job overall, but I'm not sure this was really preventable.
 
You can blame Sony for a lot of things but with all major theaters pulling the release I don't think they had much of a choice.



Sure they did. They could've left it hanging out there for release and let public pressure force the theaters to show it. I damn sure would've went to see it in spite of whatever demands the NK are making. That would be called a win for Sony and it would make the theaters look like the pussies they are. Now, the theaters and Sony look like punks.
 
Even if you don't like Sony Pictures, or think the people at the top are assholes, hacking people's private info and posting it online is not acceptable (keep in mind, even employees and their families were harmed by this). Even Media outlets are disgusting publishing all of that. The same places condemning everyone for posting anything from the celeb nude leak scandal.

It should just be a universal thing we agree on. Morally/ethically, it's not right to steal someones private data and publish it without consent. Even if the person is a piece of shit or bad.
Yep, pretty much. I like the way Seth Rogen put it. It's like a pawn shop selling stolen wedding rings.

These sites are using stolen info to get clicks and collect ad money.
 
Cowardice? Naw, it's just taking safety precautions. Yes, if something happens, it is the attackers fault. But if Sony could prevent it, why the hell shouldn't they?


Also if this movie was made about any current head of state... Obama, Harper, Merkel, Abott, Elizabeth II, this movie would have never been green lit.

They made a movie about George Bush's asassination. It wasn't even satirical. Ya I know "current". I still think a movie could be made on a particularly hated head of state.
 
Was there any legit, real reason to think that the threats against theaters were real? Was there any investigation done, legit intel from Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, police, anybody? If there is nothing to suggest that this was anything more and verbal nonsense then this whole thing looks kind of pathetic :/
 
Azula said:
It should just be a universal thing we agree on. Morally/ethically, it's not right to steal someones private data and publish it without consent. Even if the person is a piece of shit or bad.

So, for the GAF record, you opposed the publication of classified details about the NSA surveillance programs stolen by Edward Snowden.

Or would you like to add a shitload of qualifiers to this statement?
 
It's not like it's a common precedent that private corporations have to be able to withstand counterintelligence level hacking abilities from one of the stronger militaries in world.

I mean, you can't sit here and say Sony should have known better because nobody would have known that a country would direct military resources (and that's what this is, don't be mistaken) to attack a multinational corporation overseas.

Now, if Fox goes to make a movie about killing Vlad Putin in 12 months? Well, then, yeah... they should know to step up their security.

I just don't think it's fair to blame Sony for not knowing the lengths to which the DPRK would go.

They openly bragged about cheap IT security standards and an auditor tried to tell them that they did not meet Sarbanes-Oxley compliance for security:

In November 2005, Jason Spaltro, executive director of information security at Sony Pictures Entertainment, sat down in a conference room with an auditor who had just completed a review of his security practices.

The auditor told Spaltro that Sony had several security weaknesses, including insufficiently strong access controls, which is a key Sarbanes-Oxley requirement.

Furthermore, the auditor told Spaltro, the passwords Sony employees were using did not meet best practice standards that called for combinations of random letters, numbers and symbols. Sony employees were using proper nouns. (Sox does not dictate how secure passwords need to be, but it does insist that public companies protect and monitor access to networks, which many auditors and consultants interpret as requiring complex password-naming conventions.)

Summing up, the auditor told Spaltro, “If you were a bank, you’d be out of business.”

Frustrated, Spaltro responded, “If a bank was a Hollywood studio, it would be out of business.”

Spaltro argued that if his people had to remember those nonintuitive passwords, they’d most likely write them down on sticky notes and post them on their monitors. And how secure would that be?

After some debate, the auditor agreed not to note “weak passwords” as a Sox failure.

...

Spaltro offers a hypothetical example of a company that relies on legacy systems to store and manage credit card transactions for its customers. The cost to harden the legacy database against a possible intrusion could come to $10 million, he says. The cost to notify customers in case of a breach might be $1 million. With those figures, says Spaltro, “it’s a valid business decision to accept the risk” of a security breach. “I will not invest $10 million to avoid a possible $1 million loss,” he suggests.

That reasoning is “shortsighted,” argues Ari Schwartz, a privacy expert at the Center for Democracy and Technology. The cost of notification is only a small part of the potential cost to a company. Damage to the corporate brand can be significant.

http://www.cio.com/article/2439324/risk-management/your-guide-to-good-enough-compliance.html
 
Was there any legit, real reason to think that the threats against theaters were real? Was there any investigation done, legit intel from Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, police, anybody? If there is nothing to suggest that this was anything more and verbal nonsense then this whole thing looks kind of pathetic :/

Feds said the threats weren't credible.

Who knows why these chains really pulled out. My understanding is, Sony allowed the theaters to get out of their contracts of showing, because the threats existed. So they wanted to give them that option, vs forcing them to show it (if the threats were legitimate). And so, all the theaters universally decided to pull out from showing it.

Did they decide to not show it because they were afraid of the threats? (Despite the feds saying they weren't credible). Or did the theaters just use this opening, to not show it because they didn't want it messing with their holiday weekend?

So, for the GAF record, you opposed the publication of classified details about the NSA surveillance programs stolen by Edward Snowden.

Or would you like to add a shitload of qualifiers to this statement?

Eh. Of course it needs qualifiers. I think people believe in whistleblowing. My statement was talking about thiefs harming innocent victims. If the US government was doing illegal things, are they innocent victims? Is Snowden a thief, or someone that is doing the right thing and exposing crimes? Also the government is supposed to work for us, and represent us.

I wasn't trying to make some political statement. Just saying on a basic civilian level, we shouldn't support people stealing data and publishing it. If you want to take that idea further, then you can. But that wasn't my intention.
 
Was there any legit, real reason to think that the threats against theaters were real? Was there any investigation done, legit intel from Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, police, anybody? If there is nothing to suggest that this was anything more and verbal nonsense then this whole thing looks kind of pathetic :/

As of yesterday, Homeland Security was all, "no credible threat."

As of today, "oh yeah, it was totally North Korea."

The fact is, they had no idea until fairly recently, and I would imagine the recent revelation that this was back by NK's regime played a part in both Sony and the theaters' decisions. Given that there's no way to beef up security nationwide on such short notice at every theater, and that Sony bailed on tomorrow's premiere that was listed specifically in the threat, theaters are covering their asses for security and ensuring they get Christmas holiday dollars.

Feds said the threats weren't credible.

Who knows why these chains really pulled out. My understanding is, Sony allowed the theaters to get out of their contracts of showing, because the threats existed. So they wanted to give them that option, vs forcing them to show it (if the threads were legitimate). And so, all the theaters universally decided to pull out from showing it.

Did they decide to not show it, because they were afraid of the threats? (Despite the feds saying they weren't credible). Or did the theaters just use this opening, to not show it because they didn't want it messing with their holiday weekend?



Eh. Of course it needs qualifiers. I think people believe in whistleblowing. My statement was talking about thiefs harming innocent victims. If the US government was doing illegal things, are they innocent victims? Is Snowden a thief, or someone that is doing the right thing and exposing crimes?

I wasn't trying to make some political statement. Just saying on a basic civilian level, we shouldn't support people stealing data and publishing it. If you want to take that idea further, then you can. But that wasn't my intention.

Some of the lobbying efforts revealed in the leak are borderline illegal, if not outright immoral.
 
So, for the GAF record, you opposed the publication of classified details about the NSA surveillance programs stolen by Edward Snowden.

Or would you like to add a shitload of qualifiers to this statement?


the NSA is an institution established by the government which has a social contract with its people.

sony corporation does not have a social contract and does not have anyone who are considered citizens of it.
 
Even if you don't like Sony Pictures, or think the people at the top are assholes, hacking people's private info and posting it online is not acceptable (keep in mind, even employees and their families were harmed by this). Media outlets are disgusting for publishing what was stolen. The same places condemning everyone for posting anything from the celeb nude leak scandal.

It should just be a universal thing we agree on. Morally/ethically, it's not right to steal someones private data and publish it without consent. Even if the person is a piece of shit or bad.

Hacking = wrong (regardless of info acquired since you don't know until to do it)
Posting private information that doesn't' serve the greater public good and seriously invades privacy of individuals (like SSN, med records, etc.) = super wrong
Posting private information that doesn't' serve the greater public good (SPECTRE script being shit, Mario movie etc.) = Funny and enlightening but still wrong
Posting private information that does serve the greater public good (MPAA & lobbyists vs. Google, harassment and larger glimpses into potentially racist/sexist/etc. patterns) = good
 
They pulled out do to liability. The theaters didn't think it was worth the risk.. also if people stayed away, they wouldn't be staying away just from the Interview but every other movie.
 
Hacking = wrong (regardless of info acquired since you don't know until to do it)
Posting private information that doesn't' serve the greater public good and seriously invades privacy of individuals (like SSN, med records, etc.) = super wrong
Posting private information that doesn't' serve the greater public good (SPECTRE script being shit, Mario movie etc.) = Funny and enlightening but still wrong
Posting private information that does serve the greater public good (MPAA & lobbyists vs. Google, harassment and larger glimpses into potentially racist/sexist/etc. patterns) = good

I really didn't mean it in the sense that, people can't expose something illegal. But okay, I understand my statement is ripe for picking apart. Because as a solid statement, it's not always true. As a blanket statement, it's not true. I'm sorry.

my apologies. My intentions were not that (I was saying on a civilian level, thief stealing things to hurt victims). I also think as a society, we also shouldn't be supporting the publication of this data, just because we want to read it, or because people make money off it (again, focusing on a thief stealing an innocent victims data). But such is what happens when you say something without thinking it through.

The stuff with the MPAA is interesting. I was more so talking about employees SSN's. Their families private info. The private emails themselves.
 
the NSA is an institution established by the government which has a social contract with its people.

sony corporation does not have a social contract and does not have anyone who are considered citizens of it.

Companies do tons of bad things that deserve to be reported on. Sony Pictures was doing some of it, too, much as people on here like to act like the leaks were nothing but Spider-Man and Angelina gossip.

Again, this was all information that was leaked on the internet and made public to everyone. If the media is not allowed to report on it, the dumb internet masses are the ones entirely in control of reporting the story.

Do you really think that Amy Pascal's career wouldn't be still be in jeopardy if Variety and the Hollywood Reporter hadn't written stories about the racist jokes she made in emails? All of that stuff would have still gotten out and she'd still be in deep shit for it.
 
I'll admit that I find it a tad coincidental that CNN and others claimed it was NK soon after theaters pulled and Sony cancelled. I dunno, some part of me just still doubts it was them, especially as it was officially stated that there isn't any credible evidence just days ago.

This whole thing is doing my head in. Going to go to sleep and when I wake up in 6 hours... I don't know what I expect.
 
Companies do tons of bad things that deserve to be reported on. Sony Pictures was doing some of it, too, much as people on here like to act like the leaks were nothing

Again, this was all information that was leaked on the internet and made public to everyone. If the media is not allowed to report on it, the dumb internet masses are the ones entirely in control of reporting the story.

Do you really think that Amy Pascal's career wouldn't be still be in jeopardy if Variety and the Hollywood Reporter hadn't written stories about the racist jokes she made in emails? All of that shit would have still gotten out and she'd still be in deep shit for it.

So you support Sony info being leaked, and the media publishing all that info? Unless the private company wasn't doing something illegal, I don't see what gives you the right to look at their private data. Even if they are assholes.

I dunno. Just seems wrong to me, for the media to profit off this. I don't think they entirely care about reporting on this, as much as they know it gets clicks. But I guess I'm cynical. Sounds to me like, you are justifying this because they made light of people being assholes.
 
They openly bragged about cheap IT security standards and an auditor tried to tell them that they did not meet Sarbanes-Oxley compliance for security:



http://www.cio.com/article/2439324/risk-management/your-guide-to-good-enough-compliance.html

Dude, that article is from 2007. There's no reason to think that the same lackadaisical culture persisted thru these last six months, especially given Sony's redoubling of security efforts after the PSN hack in 2011.

If that article had been written this summer instead of 2007, I'd be inclined to care what it says. But, since it doesn't... well...
 
So you support Sony info being leaked, and the media publishing all that info? Unless the private company wasn't doing something illegal, I don't see what gives you the right to look at their private data. Even if they are assholes.

The Sony info being hacked and leaked? No, obviously not. I'm not personally a fan of rogue nations hacking into American companies.

But the media publishing selected excerpts of the emails that were leaked, redacting where necessary? Yes, I do support that.
 
So you support Sony info being leaked, and the media publishing all that info? Unless the private company wasn't doing something illegal, I don't see what gives you the right to look at their private data. Even if they are assholes.

I dunno. Just seems wrong to me, for the media to profit off this. I don't think they entirely care about reporting on this, as much as they know it gets clicks. But I guess I'm cynical.

Do you read about broken NDAs, reports about legislative negotiations and plans, and leaked iPhone parts? A ton of beltway reporting is based on "sources familiar with the matter" or "senior White House official" leaking stuff out against signed NDAs.
 
The Sony info being hacked and leaked? No, obviously not. I'm not personally a fan of rouge nations hacking into American companies.

But the media publishing selected excerpts of the emails that were leaked, redacting where necessary? Yes, I do.

Hmmmm.

Do you read about broken NDAs, reports about legislative negotiations and plans, and leaked iPhone parts? A ton of beltway reporting is based on "sources familiar with the matter" or "senior White House official" leaking stuff out against signed NDAs.

Welp I give up. I think it's important to admit you are way over your head. And I am way over my head on this one. I've just edited out my post, and going to bow out of this one. I'll consider everything people said though, and think about it. usually im not one to cower away, but I have a ton of shit going on right now. So it's kind of hard doing this right now.

But I can admit when I've made a mistake. And my initial post (while well intentioned), was a blanket statement. I also never intended to be the voice of GAF (lol)...in terms of the variance on privacy/data and what can and can't be leaked. Nope. Can't do that.

Better to just admit i'm an idiot, and not post things if I'm not willing to get into it. And I'll certainly do that.
 
Dude, that article is from 2007. There's no reason to think that the same lackadaisical culture persisted thru these last six months, especially given Sony's redoubling of security efforts after the PSN hack in 2011.

If that article had been written this summer instead of 2007, I'd be inclined to care what it says. But, since it doesn't... well...

You can see for yourself because they leaked the passwords to a lot of SPE accounts. No, they were still using simplistic passwords.
 
Wait... CNN just said Sony isn't putting it out on DVD/Bluray either?

Dammit, now this is an international incident. Somebody needs to nuke the pyongyang hq with the power of 2000 horses.

And none of this would have happened if they had just kept Freaks and Geeks on the air.
 
That clip just makes me want to see this movie even more. Agree on the leak countdown beginning. I'll be there day one for any eventual release, based on pure principle alone.
 
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