From the engine and gameplay side, quite a lot. Graphical elements, weather implementation, sense of speed, some of the physics implementation (especially contact physics), the dash cam, camera characteristics, online modes and features, the extent of record keeping and constant updating of a massive number of variables updated in real time, the aggressiveness of the AI, the track design, detailing and features, some of the paint job customisation and so on and so on. Even though Driveclub is not a Sim racer, to me it actually replicates the thrill and speed of driving/racing better than any other grounded real world racer, much more so than games like GT.
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Sony closes Evolution Studios (Motorstorm, Driveclub)
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From the engine and gameplay side, quite a lot. Graphical elements, weather implementation, sense of speed, some of the physics implementation (especially contact physics), the dash cam, camera characteristics, online modes and features, the extent of record keeping and constant updating of a massive number of variables updated in real time, the aggressiveness of the AI, the track design, detailing and features, some of the paint job customisation and so on and so on. Even though Driveclub is not a Sim racer, to me it actually replicates the thrill and speed of driving/racing better than any other grounded real world racer, much more so than games like GT.
DriftingSpirit
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Well, Nintendo is in a different situation. They do not have big third party titles (GTA, CoD, etc...) absorbing sales. You buy a Wii U and you pretty much have Nintendo's offerings as your selection of titles. Thus, their games will have higher totals. The sort of people buying the Wii U are the type of people who want those Nintendo games as well. On the other hand, the PS4 and X1 have a more diluted base thanks to addition of more casual buyers.
It really isn't anything strange.
Just SCE PS3 second year was way better than SCE PS4 second year. Please feel free to argue that, anyone.
LoveCake
Member
Wait what?
I thought they were working on Driveclub VR and making new DLC stuff
^^^^^^ this!
What is going to happen to DC now then?
This is more than a bolt from the blue!
Hope the people there find other jobs etc soon.
say what now?
Shame. I really enjoyed the DC, but I guess the facts were hard. DC did not manage to repeat the success of Motostorm [which was more successfully launch game for PS3]. Game was troubled, and managed to rise from ashes into one of the best simcade racers out there.
I hope VR version is not scraped.
RAD owns Order engine [or at least they can use it for their future projects]. They confirmed that they are working on porting it to PC and maybe making a VR game with it.
edit - http://venturebeat.com/2015/06/14/ready-at-dawn-creating-exclusive-vr-game-for-oculus/
Stillmatic
Member
The Order isn't Sony's engine.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Again, what were some of the games during the PS3's second year? What sort of titles have you making that argument?
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Shoe
‏@DanShoeHsu
Pre-order for PSVR went live. I added to cart. Amazon *re-asked* for password. By the time I went to LastPass and back, sold out! So close.
RETWEETS
@DanShoeHsu @yosp I heard evolution has a few spare ones if you need one shoe
‏@DanShoeHsu
Pre-order for PSVR went live. I added to cart. Amazon *re-asked* for password. By the time I went to LastPass and back, sold out! So close.
RETWEETS
@DanShoeHsu @yosp I heard evolution has a few spare ones if you need one shoe
http://www.gamingcapacity.com/exclusives-2007/
Based on this (first thing to come up with google), Uncharted Ratchet and Clank and Warhawk are the notable ones. Versus Until Dawn. Tearaway, The Order and Bloodborne if I'm not forgetting an obvious one.
gundamkyoukai
Member
When GTS \ GT7 comes out we will see .
Cause stuff like weather , certain graphical elements , certain types of physics etc etc PD was doing since PS3 .
And they had to do it at twice the frame rate .
DriftingSpirit
Member
Thanks.
So, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Warhawk, GT Prologue and MLB. I'd say that is better than Sony's 2015 lineup for sure. I don't necessarily think it makes the 2015 lineup look as bad as it was implied though. At least in terms of first party studio releases. In that regard, it is just Uncharted, GT and MLB and MLB comes out every year.
From a list I posted back here... In a similar time frame, SCE had released these games for the PS3 when compared to the PS4:
Bolding notable ones, in my opinion.
Most of 2008 and 2009 shouldn't be included...
Wildstar75
Member
Bummin! Driveclub was one of my favorite ps4 games and easily one of my most anticipated psvr titles.
Boo Sony!
Boo Sony!
DriftingSpirit
Member
I do agree that it was better. You won't find an argument from me there.
I just don't think the difference is that big. I'm also keeping in mind how many studios were still releasing games on PS3 late in the generation and how that has impacted releases now.
Why?
I really can't understand why (A) Sony keeps closing studios these past years while their first party output has been so limited despite their leading position (as they have admitted themselves in the past) and (B) why they apparently are still being seen as the saviors of console gaming ("for the players" and whatnot) despite all these closures (going by their leading position and good sales).
Fuck man, why don't any of the bigger news/review sites interview the people at Sony about these sudden moves that seem to go against everything that they are trying to build up? Surely they can't be solely concerned with saving money, even to the detriment of a much needed (so far only decent imo) first party line-up? Or are they suddenly in a position to demand more third party support, which in turn negates the need for first party games?
Sigh...I had some hope we'd see a new Motorstorm as well...
Fuck man, why don't any of the bigger news/review sites interview the people at Sony about these sudden moves that seem to go against everything that they are trying to build up? Surely they can't be solely concerned with saving money, even to the detriment of a much needed (so far only decent imo) first party line-up? Or are they suddenly in a position to demand more third party support, which in turn negates the need for first party games?
Sigh...I had some hope we'd see a new Motorstorm as well...
End 2013, 2014 2015 and 2 and a half months of 2016 = 2006, 2007 and half 2008. But I'm being pedantic, I think ps3's lineup was slightly better.
Edit: Actually looking at wikipedia, I think I might prefer ps4's lineup...
Dangansona
Member
I don't like this at all Sony. You better give us a good reason for why you shut down this studio.
At the same time, a little sick of the lack of exclusives talk. 2016 is finally a big year for them. They have plenty of first party studios even after dropping Evolution, they are just taking too damn long to get their games out.
At the same time, a little sick of the lack of exclusives talk. 2016 is finally a big year for them. They have plenty of first party studios even after dropping Evolution, they are just taking too damn long to get their games out.
NullPointer
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The event names in the update today
ReBurn
Gold Member
Companies tend to operate on a 'what are you doing for me now' basis. It's nice that the game generated hype in the past, but if it isn't generating hype now then there's no value. I have to believe that the continued investment in patches and DLC is costing more than the revenue being generated.
foolishoptimist
Member
Well shit. This makes me really quite sad.
Driveclub is my favourite game this gen. Own all Evolutions games from PS3 on, and loved all of them. As someone above posted, feels a lot like when Liverpool got shut down.
i guess the chance of DRIVECLUB VR ever getting released is gone
Driveclub is my favourite game this gen. Own all Evolutions games from PS3 on, and loved all of them. As someone above posted, feels a lot like when Liverpool got shut down.
i guess the chance of DRIVECLUB VR ever getting released is gone
It was a great game. But every disaster that could happen, happened. Massive delays, broken online, mediocre reviews,delayed ps plus version, etc.
Jarod McChicken
Member
The problem is not what Driveclub was or is, Driveclub has been supported in good faith and it's pretty clear the studio was aware of its fate for some time now (the name of the events of the last update).
The problem is that Sony consider the racing genre as good as dead and don't want to bet anymore on that if it's not GT related. Which is unfortunate because with a constant quality and regular release, Forza games sells decently enough.
David Ricardo
Member
It's a great game, but the launch was rough. It got so so reviews and it was in the bargain bin before 3 months. Then they fixed every problem with the game, added a lot of content and made it great, but it was already too late to make money out of it.
I think Driveclub 2 could have sold a lot, because current users love the game, but I guess we will never know.
No the problem is what Driveclub was, it was meant to be a big launch title and they delayed it almost a year and it was still broken online. This hurt the game a lot and it hit the bargain bin quickly. The whole thing was super unfortunate because it's great now and the people at evo are clearly passionate and talented.
Well that sucks, Evolution have been excellent since the launch disaster and I can't think of many games that have been so well supported. Was hoping we'd eventually get a Motorstorm game on the Driveclub engine from them too. Best wishes to those affected by this.
Oh, and maybe North West Studio will take over Driveclub VR, I think they are mostly ex Evo people there, would piss me off if Sony cancel it and just focus on Polyphony and GT Sport.
Oh, and maybe North West Studio will take over Driveclub VR, I think they are mostly ex Evo people there, would piss me off if Sony cancel it and just focus on Polyphony and GT Sport.
Sony has Media Molecule, London studios, Guerilla Cambridge, North West studios and are apparently opening a studio in Manchester according to what I've read in this thread.
ps3 was released at end of 2006, it's a valid comparison. End of 2006, 2007, 2008, and 3 months of 2009.
OfTheOverflow
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I am really, really disappointed and upset by this decision. Ever since the closure of Studio Liverpool (which I will never forgive them for), I've looked at Evolution as the saving grace; the studio which produced some of my favorite racers ever including Pacific Rift, and outdid themselves with post-release content and patches for DRIVECLUB, really fleshing out that game as much as possible and turning it into a phenomenal game available for only $10. With aspirations of getting into the game industry (I know, I know), I looked at the successes of Evolution as a beacon of hope. 'Perhaps I can work there one day' and help produce similarly fantastic racing games that I adored so much when I was younger.
Oh, and if Driveclub VR is cancelled, so to is my interest in PSVR.
Sony working their way through my list of favorite devs
I very much doubt ND will be next, if ever. But you're doing a good job of killing any aspirations of working in the only industry I've ever really cared about. At least that helps all the jobless devs find work easier I guess.
Oh, and if Driveclub VR is cancelled, so to is my interest in PSVR.
Sony working their way through my list of favorite devs
- Naughty Dog
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Liverpool
I very much doubt ND will be next, if ever. But you're doing a good job of killing any aspirations of working in the only industry I've ever really cared about. At least that helps all the jobless devs find work easier I guess.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Sucks for the people who lost their jobs, but I do see it making sense for Sony-
A) Racing games are on the decline anyway
B) Driveclub was not received very well initially, and though it did get better the fact that it had such a bad initial impression despite being delayed a year was a problem, I'm sure.
C) Most importantly, Sony already *has* a big racing franchise- GT. While I suppose Evolution could maybe have focused on Motorstorm instead, in the end having two studios focused on similar genres that don't sell particularly well these days doesn't really make any sense. Hell, if Sony could do it over again they'd probably have had GT6 as a PS4 launch window title and had Evolution make something else.
A) Racing games are on the decline anyway
B) Driveclub was not received very well initially, and though it did get better the fact that it had such a bad initial impression despite being delayed a year was a problem, I'm sure.
C) Most importantly, Sony already *has* a big racing franchise- GT. While I suppose Evolution could maybe have focused on Motorstorm instead, in the end having two studios focused on similar genres that don't sell particularly well these days doesn't really make any sense. Hell, if Sony could do it over again they'd probably have had GT6 as a PS4 launch window title and had Evolution make something else.
DeCreeperHater
Banned
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
We have lost a great studio today which has made some of the best racing games ever made.
My best wishes go to the very talented people that were employed by the studio.
We have lost a great studio today which has made some of the best racing games ever made.
My best wishes go to the very talented people that were employed by the studio.
So it was, thought it was early 2006, but it was actually early 2007 here in Europe. Fair enough then.