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[Beowvlf]

http://psp.ign.com/articles/696/696079p1.html

To make sure that software keeps on coming, Kutaragi also announced a drop in development fees for the PSP. The price of a PSP development kit will be dropped to 500,000 yen from the current price of 750,000 yen. Currently, SCE has shipped 5,412 development kits for the system.

In USD, that's a drop from ~$6,400 to ~$4,200 per development kit. I actually thought the kits were more expensive than even the price prior to the drop, but it seems they were much cheaper than I thought.

It's nice to see Sony recognizing and accomodating for the fact that PSP development costs are higher than on the DS, and hopefully this will help encourage more original content for the platform.

 

[Striek]

Wouldn't most developers already have development kits?
Doesn't sound 750k yen doesn't sound like a big investment anyway, so I don't see much additional support flowing forth. Maybe more kits to developers already making games increasing efficiency or whatever...

 

[Mrbob]

Between this, the price drop, the new psp announcements yesterday, it looks like sony is ramping up for battle on the portable front too.

 

[gokou20]

Between this, the price drop, the new psp announcements yesterday, it looks like sony is ramping up for battle on the portable front too.

which will get them no where casue we all know ds lite has secured nintendo portable dominace.

 

[AndoCalrissian]

which will get them no where casue we all know ds lite has secured nintendo portable dominace.

And the next game boy is likely only a couple of years off.

Not to mention that PSP is still going to be more expensive to develop for than DS, which I think was reported to be cheaper to make games for than GBA, though I'm not sure how that works out.

 

[Blackcherry]

And the next game boy is likely only a couple of years off.

Not to mention that PSP is still going to be more expensive to develop for than DS, which I think was reported to be cheaper to make games for than GBA, though I'm not sure how that works out.

OT: I'm the only one that think that the GameBoy brand name will never be used again by Nintendo ?

 

[Trurl]

Between this, the price drop, the new psp announcements yesterday, it looks like sony is ramping up for battle on the portable front too.

I'm really hoping that Nintendo responds with dropping the price of the DS in the states. $99 classic DS and $130 DSL in May and then $99 DSL in the fall would be great.

It's great that Sony is finally doing this.

Edit-
I just realized that this is about the price of the SDK's, sorry everybody!

 

[Lee N]

Sony drops price of PSP SDK by 33%

Makes sense.. Sony are only letting developers use 66% of the PSP hardware anyway.

 

[gokou20]

And the next game boy is likely only a couple of years off.

Not to mention that PSP is still going to be more expensive to develop for than DS, which I think was reported to be cheaper to make games for than GBA, though I'm not sure how that works out.

righton gameboy coming out, i say 2008 gameboy evo or whatever the call it.

but its funny rev devkits cost 2000. man that is just too much, a good $ 2,200 cheaper than the PSP

 

[mckmas8808]

And the next game boy is likely only a couple of years off.

Not to mention that PSP is still going to be more expensive to develop for than DS, which I think was reported to be cheaper to make games for than GBA, though I'm not sure how that works out.

Sure. And you say this in a PSP thread.

 

[Y2Kev]

Quick, Nintendo fans, swarm!!! A positive PS thread that has nothing to do at all with the DS!

Everyone attack before anyone feels good about themselves!!!!

 

[Archie]

i hate nintendo fans

on topic: This is good news and will hopefully promote new content for the PSP.

 

[Ghengis Cohen]

Christ almighty can we ever have a psp thread that is not somehow about the DS? (and this is not the Nintendo fans fault either, the first post started it).

 

[Panajev2001a]

Yeah, they should just close shop. I mean what are we gamers gaining by good and determined competition... everyone knows a good, nice, balls-holding monopoly is just the way the world sings... :rolleyes.

 

[Trurl]

Christ almighty can we ever have a psp thread that is not somehow about the DS? (and this is not the Nintendo fans fault either, the first post started it).

I think it's fine to mention the DS with this topic. After all how much of a conversation can you have about a price drop if you're not going to talk about marketshare and the competition.

 

[Fishie flop oog]

Quick, Nintendo fans, swarm!!! A positive PS thread that has nothing to do at all with the DS!

Everyone attack before anyone feels good about themselves!!!!

You obviously missed this: Between this, the price drop, the new psp announcements yesterday, it looks like sony is ramping up for battle on the portable front too.

 

[Y2Kev]

How is that inflammatory at all? That's a serious analysis of why Sony is doing what it's doing.

 

[Beowvlf]

I think it's fine to mention the DS with this topic. After all how much of a conversation can you have about a price drop if you're not going to talk about marketshare and the competition.

I completely disagree, because this announcement doesn't have to do with marketshare or Nintendo. It has to do with this:

on topic: This is good news and will hopefully promote new content for the PSP.

 

[Ghengis Cohen]

I completely disagree, because this announcement doesn't have to do with marketshare or Nintendo. It has to do with this:

Except you mention Nintendo in your first post.

 

[Trurl]

I completely disagree, because this announcement doesn't have to do with marketshare or Nintendo. It has to do with this:

Perhaps you're right. It should be okay to mention the DS though, I guess fanboys kinda ruin that.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Beyond the disemmination of the one and only interesting fact in the thread (the price) I don't see how this discussion is going to go anywhere with everyone acting the way they are.

But please, do carry on.

 

[Beowvlf]

Except you mention Nintendo in your first post.

In what context? When you find the answer to that question, you'll see my point. Take your time.

 

[argon]

OT: I'm the only one that think that the GameBoy brand name will never be used again by Nintendo ?

I think at this point (at least in Japan), naming it the DS2 is a given.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

And the next game boy is likely only a couple of years off.

No.
http://tikiwiki.joshuajamesslone.na...Nintendo+will+release+a+new+Game+Boy+in+2007.

 

[kaching]

Wouldn't most developers already have development kits?

The dev community isn't static - new devs form, existing devs take a new interest in portable gaming where they didn't before and even devs who already bought PSP devkits may have bought only a few because they weren't sure how much they wanted to invest in PSP development at first but now are choosing to commit more fully and so want to equip more of their team with the devkit, etc.

 

[Ghengis Cohen]

The dev community isn't static - new devs form, existing devs take a new interest in portable gaming where they didn't before and even devs who already bought PSP devkits may have bought only a few because they weren't sure how much they wanted to invest in PSP development at first but now are choosing to commit more fully and so want to equip more of their team with the devkit, etc.

And this helps smaller devs purchase devkits to put together demos, tools etc. which will help get more than just ports and sequels on the system.

 

[jarrod]

Between this, the price drop, the new psp announcements yesterday, it looks like sony is ramping up for battle on the portable front too.

Hopefully the news of PSone downloads to PSP via Sony Connect force Nintendo's hand into releasing a "Virtual Handheld" peripheral for DS. Downloadable NES/SNES/GB/GBC/GBA games would be heaven.

 

[AndoCalrissian]

Sure. And you say this in a PSP thread.

It's not like I just made it up, I knew I'd read it somewhere. So feel free to do some reading of your own.

Quick, Nintendo fans, swarm!!! A positive PS thread that has nothing to do at all with the DS!

Everyone attack before anyone feels good about themselves!!!!

Nice to see that you read the entire original post in this thread, where it says "It's nice to see Sony recognizing and accomodating for the fact that PSP development costs are higher than on the DS, and hopefully this will help encourage more original content for the platform." Thus the discussion of PSP vs. Nintendo DS development costs was started. Thanks for playing.

 

[Beowvlf]

Thus the discussion of PSP vs. Nintendo DS development costs was started. Thanks for playing.

WTF? I didn't start a discussion, I stated a fact. It costs more to develop on the PSP than it does on the DS in regards to original content. ANYONE on this board will agree, even Mono.

There was and is no discussion on that topic. Why do you Nfans even bother to respond to/damage control a positive point about the DS anyways? Get out of the frakin' thread man.

 

[Striek]

There was and is no discussion on that topic. Why do you Nfans even bother to respond to/damage control a positive point about the DS anyways? Get out of the frakin' thread man.

Haha, just what I thought at his response.

 

[AndoCalrissian]

WTF? I didn't start a discussion, I stated a fact. It costs more to develop on the PSP than it does on the DS in regards to original content. ANYONE on this board will agree, even Mono.

There was and is no discussion on that topic. Why do you Nfans even bother to respond to/damage control a positive point about the DS anyways? Get out of the frakin' thread man.

When did I say that low development costs on the DS were a negative? If you're going to mention DS in the first post of a PSP development cost thread you should expect some discussion of DS within the thread. Deal with it.

And since when does being a fan of Nintendo mean I can't post in threads that aren't about Nintendo? Grow up.

 

[Shaheed79]

They think you guys are becoming a little too uppity because of the success of the DSlite. They would also like to have PSP topics without the mentioning of DS at all which is quite understandable but, the DS was mentioned in the original post drawing direct comparisons to PSP dev kit costs. I guess Heian figured that if he mentioned that DS dev costs were still much cheaper than PSP's first, then that would prevent some nbot from coming into the topic to state the obvious. Either way it is unecessary damage control.

 

[bumpkin]

Sorry, I had to. :lol

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

Sorry, I had to. :lol

Tripod! LOL

 

[Phoenix]

Wouldn't most developers already have development kits?

Many developers have kits, but if they hire new people are start new projects that require more personnel - they need more kits. This would only be a non-issue if development studios were stagnating and no one was hiring for PSP projects and there were no new studios, talent, or projects in the works for PSP.

 

[pgtl_10]

Oh no Nintendo better drop Revolution SDK prices! :lol

 

[elostyle]

The potential impact of this would be hard to gauge without knowledge of what the costs are for other platforms. Much cheaper than gba now

 

[kaching]

The potential impact of this would be hard to gauge without knowledge of what the costs are for other platforms. Much cheaper than gba now

Don't really have to gauge the potential impact in relation to any other platform other than the PSP itself - did the previous price tag give some developers who may have been interested in PSP dev sticker shock? Yes/No

 

[Monk]

Quick, Nintendo fans, swarm!!! A positive PS thread that has nothing to do at all with the DS!

Everyone attack before anyone feels good about themselves!!!!

Pot meet Kettle.

 

[Deku]

2,000 discount isn't going to make a huge dent on the development cost which are in the hundred of thousands The move was made to lower the entry barrier for smaller developers, and perhaps increase the quality of existing products by making some developers on the fence more willing to invest extra capital to create extra spaces on psp development by getting more kits.

Don't really have to gauge the potential impact in relation to any other platform other than the PSP itself - did the previous price tag give some developers who may have been interested in PSP dev sticker shock? Yes/No

Probably not. But part of the advantage of being a successful platform is you have tiny development houses making novelty games for your platform with the expectation their games may not sell more than 10-20k copies and appeal to a limited fanbase. That may not sound like much, but these games round out the library of any platform and creates network effects that adds momentum to the platform. In those cases, you want low start up capital as well so you can amortize your costs much more quickly within fewer games. Sony is hoping to get those tiny developers to sign on. It's a response to the market conditions created by Nintendo. So its at least a sign that Sony is paying attention and not sleepwalking like they were last year.

How big of an impact is unclear, since development costs in absolute terms are still going to be lower on the DS.

 

[Koren]

Not to mention that PSP is still going to be more expensive to develop for than DS, which I think was reported to be cheaper to make games for than GBA, though I'm not sure how that works out.

It is probably not... This study has been done by looking at a batch of project for all platforms,and calculate the mean of their budgets.

DS had a lot of early, cheap projects, Wario ware, Kimi no tame, and such. GBA, on the other side, had more ambitious projects, RPGs, larger games.

So the result is a (bit) biaised. DS is usually more expensive to develop for, but not by a wide margin.

 

[Drek]

I think it's fine to mention the DS with this topic. After all how much of a conversation can you have about a price drop if you're not going to talk about marketshare and the competition.

Thats just it, not every thread has to have a shot at going 5 pages.

This is some moderately interesting news for a) PSP fans and b) PSP devs, both I assume, frequent this board in at least some quantity. Let them come in, say their two bits, and then the thread will sink down out of sight after everyone who cares knows.

Instead every DS and PSP thread turns into fanboys drawing battle lines over random stupid shit. Its not conversation, its message board shit slinging, like a bunch of monkies in a zoo.

 

[Illuminati]

Quick, Nintendo fans, swarm!!! A positive PS thread that has nothing to do at all with the DS!

Everyone attack before anyone feels good about themselves!!!!

This PSP development kit would play better on the DS.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Youre such a hypocrite hiean kyo. Maybe I should dig up your post history, but Im just going to say you knew what would happen after your first post, so dont act surprised and judgemental. This is exactly what you wanted to happen.

 

[CowGirl]

That wraps it up for Nintendo.

 

[Beowvlf]

Youre such a hypocrite hiean kyo. Maybe I should dig up your post history, but Im just going to say you knew what would happen after your first post, so dont act surprised and judgemental. This is exactly what you wanted to happen.

:lol

AND I WOULD'VE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU DAMN KIDS!

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