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Insomniac was $229M. Epic is another $200M, making it $450M.
As Sony execs said before..... More PC games coming.
You know Epic owns just the most used game engine today, don't you? You know they debuted UE5 on PS5, don't you? Do you think it's used only for demos?Beyond marketing, I'm curious as to the tangible benefits this heavy of an investment brings to Playstation consumers.
I know that Unreal has applications to movies and such, although that seems beyond the scope of gaming discussion. Having tech demos done on your console is nice and all but will this result in any meaningful content? I have my doubts.
PS Studios already have their own customized engines, Decima being the most famous. Agreements like this target third parties, the more UE5 is optimized for PS5 the better.I wouldn't be surprised if all the Sony bought companies (i.e. ND, SSM, GG, etc..) will adopt UE in the future for all of their games. That would make total sense with the porting to PC platforms happening now. We might be looking at day and date PC releases with PS next-generation (i.e. PS6+).
Epic doesn't need any money, they're just fine, lmao.
Why? Xbox isn't losing anything & Epic isn't crazy enough to go from multiplatform to PlayStation exclusiveInvesting in Epic Games makes Xbox fanboys sick.
So they can afford this shit but close the Ps3/Psvita stores?
Cheers Sony.
Could be PC games coming to Epic Store only too.It's a marketing move. Epic will keep showing tech demos exclusively on the PS5, which means a ton of hype and good press for Playstation. It's a good move imo.
UE is currently the most used game engine on the market, how the hell did you come to 'showing tech demos'? How about making UE5 more optimized for PS5 so that can bring more third party support to it?It's a marketing move. Epic will keep showing tech demos exclusively on the PS5, which means a ton of hype and good press for Playstation. It's a good move imo.
This isn't SIE, this is Sony as a whole. I suspect their movie division is the primary driver for this. Unreal Engine for movies in the future?
That narrative was severely impacted the moment they started to advertise it as the “most powerful Xbox” instead of the “most powerful console” lol.Unreal Engine is the most commonly used development engine. I could see these investments being made to optimize the engine for playstation platforms. Then there is timed exclusivity on Epic games. Both of things would be severely impact Xbox, their "most powerful console" narrative, and their over-reliance on 3rd party production.
What I would love is for Microsoft to create something similar to Sony's ICE team. They have really really amazing graphics programmers working for them.Oh definitely, I didn’t mean to imply it would be any small task, but I have to imagine that, even if not with idTech, Microsoft is interested in developing their own in house engines for their games.
Now that I think about it, you can already kinda see that happening; isn’t Playground using a custom engine for Fable?
If you are developing a multiplatform engine you don't build one of the core functionalities (Nanite) around the capabilities of a single platform. UE5, and Nanite by extension, will have to work in a number of platforms.This might be the case, but not in any negative way. Epic engineers said that they took inspiration from the PS5 SSD and I/O designs and rewrote UE5 code to take better advantage of it.
My guess is that UE5 and PS5 were being developed at roughly the same time. Mark Cerny visits almost all developers when seeking feedback. He must have talked to Epic engineers and developers as well. Technologies were exchanged, and Epic decided that the I/O solution is going to play a crucial role in the future, and asked Sony if they could share some insights that Epic could use in their engine.
Sony must have agreed; Epic rewrote parts of UE5 so it could leverage I/O more effectively; and in exchange, Sony got a chance to invest in Epic.
That future is now. The Mandelorian is created in UE, and Sony is also using UE for movies. Sony Pictures aquired Nurilize in 2019:
Sony Pictures Acquires Virtual Production Software Company Nurulize | Sony Pictures Entertainment
[Culver City, CA – July 8, 2019] – Sony Pictures Entertainment (SPE) today announced that Sony Innovation Studios Inc., a division of SPE, recently acquired Nurulize, a software development house which specializes in delivering creative realism and enabling virtual production of content...www.sonypictures.com
It's an investment, that tells you all you need to know. They're doing it because they think it will make them money. Fortnite is still huge, EGS is slowly chipping away at Steam and Unreal Engine is also at the forefront of gaming technology. It's good business sense that will surely pay off and help fund PlayStation exclusives down the line.Why would Sony be doing this when they don't really use Unreal Engine? Someone pls explain.
Sony: play all our new aa games free on epic when you sign up for ps+ gamepass. AAA will cost money though.Beyond marketing, I'm curious as to the tangible benefits this heavy of an investment brings to Playstation consumers.
I know that Unreal has applications to movies and such, although that seems beyond the scope of gaming discussion. Having tech demos done on your console is nice and all but will this result in any meaningful content? I have my doubts.
Of course! But I think it's less of a "they NEED the money" kinda thing, and more of a, "sure, extra money won't hurt" kinda thing.Well they do... otherwise they wouldn't have done another round of fundraising. It's not necessarily a bad thing, mind you, especially if it's supporting future growth initiatives.
Does Epic still make games?Unreal Engine is the most commonly used development engine. I could see these investments being made to optimize the engine for playstation platforms. Then there is timed exclusivity on Epic games. Both of these things would severely impact Xbox, their "most powerful console" narrative, and their over-reliance on 3rd party production.
Exactly. There’s no reason to go out and buy an entire publisher but for sure someone like sqaure enix should have some form of investment.Yeah, they have a few percent of Kadokawa but you're right...they should have sizable investments in some of those companies. Or a controlling stake in one would be great.
This isn't SIE, this is Sony as a whole. I suspect their movie division is the primary driver for this. Unreal Engine for movies in the future?
Isn't called..bribe?UE is currently the most used game engine on the market, how the hell did you come to 'showing tech demos'? How about making UE5 more optimized for PS5 so that can bring more third party support to it?
But look at how they are spending some of they money they are making, by throwing a lawsuit at Apple. I mean, sure, Apple takes a big cut but it is their ecosystem. They've always controlled their ecosystem more so than others have. That money could have been spent better.Well they do... otherwise they wouldn't have done another round of fundraising. It's not necessarily a bad thing, mind you, especially if it's supporting future growth initiatives.
If they were paying Epic to gimp XSX optimization on UE5, yes (and what a bribe!!), but they are strengthening collaboration between Playstation and UE.Isn't called..bribe?
So, Sony is PAYING Epic so they can have PS exclusives on their store? Shouldn't it be, maybe, the opposite?Calling it now. That's a hardcore smell that all Playstation exclusives will end on PC EGS day by day, in a year or two. So that's what Jimbo and Hermen have planned for the long run HEH?
Maybe soon Nintendo will be the only brand that will be making exclusive games.
With Unreal Engine there are tons of things that work better or come first to certain platforms. Less in the last year or two maybe but this is nothing new.Do you think Epic optimizes UE5 specifically/more so for the PS5? Because that to me would seem like a baffling decision for a game engine used across multiple developers for multiple platforms.
Insomniac was $229M. Epic is another $200M, making it $450M.
As Sony execs said before..... More PC games coming.
Epic is worth like $30 billion, this is an utterly meaningless investment. Tencent probably has like a 10+ billion dollar stake for comparison, as they bought in big much earlier. I don't know what Sony is hoping to buy with their chump change, maybe co-marketing deals.
That future is now. The Mandelorian is created in UE, and Sony is also using UE for movies. Sony Pictures aquired Nurilize in 2019:
Sony Pictures Acquires Virtual Production Software Company Nurulize | Sony Pictures Entertainment
[Culver City, CA – July 8, 2019] – Sony Pictures Entertainment (SPE) today announced that Sony Innovation Studios Inc., a division of SPE, recently acquired Nurulize, a software development house which specializes in delivering creative realism and enabling virtual production of content...www.sonypictures.com
Why would Sony be doing this when they don't really use Unreal Engine? Someone pls explain.
Here is what 200 million gets you
Why? Xbox isn't losing anything & Epic isn't crazy enough to go from multiplatform to PlayStation exclusive
As soon as they finish buying them 200M at a time.Calling it now. That's a hardcore smell that all Playstation exclusives will end on PC EGS day by day, in a year or two. So that's what Jimbo and Hermen have planned for the long run HEH?
Maybe soon Nintendo will be the only brand that will be making exclusive games.
And the rest of us are laughing at their $7bn Nokia investment.MS is laughing at a 200 million dollar investment.
It’s a smart move. After all, Microsoft makes money on most Sony owned exclusives.Remember, everytime you buy a game (or play a game on GP) that used UE and that runs on the XBox/PC, you will be paying a tax to Sony.
This is next level evilry!
Epic is in position to grow insane amounts in the next couple decades. This is a long term play. Some of the tech epic is debuting goes far past gaming.Why would Sony be doing this when they don't really use Unreal Engine? Someone pls explain.
It’s also not really negative lmao. Would love to see some stats on when the last time the whiners about the closers booted up the ole ps3 and digitally purchased a game.Yes, one (investing in Epic) has a potential return. The other (stores) already gave what they had to give.
It's not nice for customers but it's how it is...
Insomniac was $229M. Epic is another $200M, making it $450M.
As Sony execs said before..... More PC games coming.
They rejected a pitch for a days gone 2 sequel and are allowing them to work on a new ip described as their biggest to date by an employees linkd in. What’s the penny pinching?Sigh. They have a billion dollars to invest in a company that has fuck all to do with exclusives, but are penny pinching with first party studios like Japan Studios and Sony Bend.
edit: nevermind, its another $200 million. the rest of the 1 billion are from other investment firms. whatever. id rather those $200 million go towards rebuilding their fledgling first party studios.
they're making Ready Player One's Oasis a reality. And Sony, the headset for that.Some of the tech epic is debuting goes far past gaming.
Microsoft outspent Sony by about.. what 6-7 billions in recent years but PlayStation had 3 launch ready games and 2 more coming in 2 months compared to Microsoft’s 0 on launch and 0 with announced release dates. They are also eclipsing Nintendo in quantity of exclusives. They shipped their console with a controller packed to the brim with industry leading tech and features while ms still gives ya triple a batteries on a 60 dollar controller. Point out the bean counting for meYeah it's hard to see Sony throwing money around at anime, music, and now 450 million in on EPIC... while on the flipside acting like bean counters with PlayStation studios.
You don't invest 450 million into a business just so you can be friends. Which is why I'm wondering what's in the horizon that makes Sony think they will get more out of EPIC than everybody else. Tencent owns 40% of EPIC to boot, so what is Sony investing a ton of money for? Fucking hell. They make tools for everybody.