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Sony is developing a wonderful Playstation ecosystem!
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digoutyoursoul
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Is this a marketing survey?
That would require having servers based on different PS hardware all around. Which i don't think they will bother doing.
All i care about is PS5 getting PS4 and Pro BC, so i can get the benefits of PS4 and Pro all at once(since i'm not buying a pro lol)
I still have my PS3, and my PS2(and my PS1 for that matter), so the libraries of those systems is less important.
Thread starts out sounding like an advertisement, goes in hard...then sort of comes around in the end. Haha
However, between my Vita, the PS3, and the PS4 I hope to buy...the ecosystem SUCKS from what I've experienced.
I should be able to play at least my PS2 (wish I could put PS3 here) games on my PS4 without rebuying them. If you're going to let me play PS1/2/3 games then let me stick the disc in a system and get verification. If I can't do that, then at least let me carry everything over across all the hardware that IS available.
I want to play Gran Turismo PSP on my Vita (one of the reasons I bought it) and to date I can't get access to it in the US. I once had a hope I'd at least get some form of GT to carry with me and my Vita...NOPE. I've tried PSNow and it works well for me. However, I can't stand paying to rent games I own or want to play.
While MS certainly isn't there completely, and Nintendo is probably going to screw it up with Switch, at least Microsoft is attempting to move towards having 360/Xbox One/Scorpio/Windows 10+ run games and carry backwards compatibility going forward.
Sony needs to make things more fluid games wise. The updates and "special modes" are neat, but I want all my stuff to fully interact with each other.
Can you tell I've been pissed about GT Vita for years now? LOL
However, between my Vita, the PS3, and the PS4 I hope to buy...the ecosystem SUCKS from what I've experienced.
I should be able to play at least my PS2 (wish I could put PS3 here) games on my PS4 without rebuying them. If you're going to let me play PS1/2/3 games then let me stick the disc in a system and get verification. If I can't do that, then at least let me carry everything over across all the hardware that IS available.
I want to play Gran Turismo PSP on my Vita (one of the reasons I bought it) and to date I can't get access to it in the US. I once had a hope I'd at least get some form of GT to carry with me and my Vita...NOPE. I've tried PSNow and it works well for me. However, I can't stand paying to rent games I own or want to play.
While MS certainly isn't there completely, and Nintendo is probably going to screw it up with Switch, at least Microsoft is attempting to move towards having 360/Xbox One/Scorpio/Windows 10+ run games and carry backwards compatibility going forward.
Sony needs to make things more fluid games wise. The updates and "special modes" are neat, but I want all my stuff to fully interact with each other.
Can you tell I've been pissed about GT Vita for years now? LOL
Actually, as someone who would historically class themselves as a Sony fanboy, this is the exact area where I think they've kind of lost me.
I believe Microsoft are doing a much better job of doing this than Sony. With Microsoft, I already have access to an Xbox 360 library, which gets substantial and regular support. And I have a significant degree of trust that their future consoles will support everything I buy digitally, starting with Scorpio next year and expanding even further to Windows.
There's additional bonuses too, such as knowing that if I ever decide to go (back) to PC, certain things including my account and even first party software, I can take with me. Microsoft have developed a platform where you can still have an active account and play their first party output even if you're not buying Xbox hardware. To me, that's an eco-system.
Personally that's actually where Sony has started feeling like the outlier this gen, and where there's less of an eco-system.
I believe Microsoft are doing a much better job of doing this than Sony. With Microsoft, I already have access to an Xbox 360 library, which gets substantial and regular support. And I have a significant degree of trust that their future consoles will support everything I buy digitally, starting with Scorpio next year and expanding even further to Windows.
There's additional bonuses too, such as knowing that if I ever decide to go (back) to PC, certain things including my account and even first party software, I can take with me. Microsoft have developed a platform where you can still have an active account and play their first party output even if you're not buying Xbox hardware. To me, that's an eco-system.
Personally that's actually where Sony has started feeling like the outlier this gen, and where there's less of an eco-system.
FonkyByNature
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Yeah, sounds like someone from Sony doing a job... "Wonderful" lol...
But anyway, as many said here already, backward compatibility, PSN name change, unlimited automatic cloud saves sync like Xbox One, support for PS1 and PS2 games for those that already bought these games on older platforms, automatic trophy sync...
I'm pretty sure Sony are working hard since PS4 to make it forward and backward compatible with future hardware, they actually improved a lot since PS4 released but there's still a lot of work to do.
Okami Haundo
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Oh shit no, I'd greatly prefer if Sony were to take Microsoft's approach for BC in terms of pricing. At the very least they could give you the ability to stream a game you already own for free.
Leafhopper
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Same. Especially when a company goes under that you've supported for years. Sega fans must have it rough.
You're ignoring all the Japanese games that only get developed for PS4.
dragonyeuw
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And Phil Spencer is on record as saying he'd like to integrate OG xbox in there as well. Probably down the list of priorities, but that definitely encapsulates the 'One' moniker if you can literally play all gens of Xbox plus integration with Windows. Personally I think he's done a great job rebuilding the xbox brand after the beating it took post 2013 E3.
Jasper Avenue
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I actually think Microsoft is creating something much better. Backwards compatibility has been a gamechanger in our household.
Eh... I genuinely disagree. There seems to be a severe lack of synergy in the "ecosystem" as you put it.
1. Hooking up PSVR cancels out HDR output from their own system. This was horrible planning on Sony's part. This, and this alone, is the only example you really need to see that this isn't a well thought out "ecosystem" in any way. Sony has not issued any statement on plans to fix the issue and it affects their most loyal supporters who are their "pro" audience.
2. Sorting through PS Vita downloads on the device is still an exercise in frustration.
3. You cannot download PS Vita games on PS4 for transfer... only on PS3 (as far as I know).
4. No PS1 games on PS4, only PS3.
5. Only certain PS1 titles are on Vita with some very bizarre omissions. These omissions are not well documented for people purchasing PS1 games on PS3.
6. There are also some random PS1 games that ARE compatible with Vita but you cannot download them in Vita's store.
7. PSVR setup with PS4 requires connections to both the front and back of both the PS4 and external processing device which also feels like poor planning and a needlessly messy setup.
8. PS4 RGB settings are still wrong (as far as I am aware). This is from a company that makes both game consoles and displays on which to play them. It shouldn't be such an issue.
1. Hooking up PSVR cancels out HDR output from their own system. This was horrible planning on Sony's part. This, and this alone, is the only example you really need to see that this isn't a well thought out "ecosystem" in any way. Sony has not issued any statement on plans to fix the issue and it affects their most loyal supporters who are their "pro" audience.
2. Sorting through PS Vita downloads on the device is still an exercise in frustration.
3. You cannot download PS Vita games on PS4 for transfer... only on PS3 (as far as I know).
4. No PS1 games on PS4, only PS3.
5. Only certain PS1 titles are on Vita with some very bizarre omissions. These omissions are not well documented for people purchasing PS1 games on PS3.
6. There are also some random PS1 games that ARE compatible with Vita but you cannot download them in Vita's store.
7. PSVR setup with PS4 requires connections to both the front and back of both the PS4 and external processing device which also feels like poor planning and a needlessly messy setup.
8. PS4 RGB settings are still wrong (as far as I am aware). This is from a company that makes both game consoles and displays on which to play them. It shouldn't be such an issue.
My word, the things I would do to be able to play OG Xbox games on the Xbone...
What ecosystem? No PS1 Classics, drip-feeding of PS2 Classics even Nintendo would be ashamed of, no BC, no Vita support. It's all PS4 PS4 PS4.
Looking at their storefront: Different accounts for different stores with vastly different offerings and cross-region incompatibilities regarding most DLC. It's a decentralized travesty.
Looking at their storefront: Different accounts for different stores with vastly different offerings and cross-region incompatibilities regarding most DLC. It's a decentralized travesty.
RichiRamjag
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Every fucking thread one of y'all have to come in and give a suggestion that no one asked for.
Brilliant
AnthonypUK
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Yup its pretty awesome for me, PSVR, Cross Platform saves, cross platform titles Trophies are awesome, PS2 classics , it has the most games, the most varied selection of games, and they have great sales and i personally have rarely had issues with downtime for the network.
I can understand why people might not like it, but those things don't affect me, as i sold all my old physical games, i didn't also choose such a stupid name that i need to change it etc.
Also after using an Xbox one while staying with a friend last week, i was surprised the UI, the store, the download speeds, and the disc game install speeds were all awful, i was expecting alot better after people were saying what an improvement its been. It made me curious how terrible it actually was at launch.
I can understand why people might not like it, but those things don't affect me, as i sold all my old physical games, i didn't also choose such a stupid name that i need to change it etc.
Also after using an Xbox one while staying with a friend last week, i was surprised the UI, the store, the download speeds, and the disc game install speeds were all awful, i was expecting alot better after people were saying what an improvement its been. It made me curious how terrible it actually was at launch.
I know this won't happen, and it's probably already been said in this thread, but
Let me play the games I have licenses on my account for using PS Now. (yeah I know blah blah licensing) - It'd be massive. At this point things have flipped and I look forward MS's free games each month along with new BC compatible titles than I do anything from Sony. For the record, I put way more time into my PS4 than my XB1, but that's not the topic at hand.
Chiggs
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Haha, exactly what I was trying to figure out when I read the title.
Uh what? It's terrible.
I can't play any of my older games from the PS "ecosystem" on the current console without paying a hefty premium. Even then, the selection is tiny at best.
Saves etc don't carry over automatically and for free for the few select games that are available on both, PS4 and the out-fading PS Vita.
There is one, two if you are generous, devices that you can natively play your PS4 games on that share the same form factor and are all stationary.
It's not 'wonderful' at all.
E: Because somebody else mentioned it. While minor, the lack of HDR pass-through with PSVRs breakout box is also telling. Remember how 4K HDR are the marketing bullet points for Pro, yet their addon hardware doesn't support seamless usage?
I can't play any of my older games from the PS "ecosystem" on the current console without paying a hefty premium. Even then, the selection is tiny at best.
Saves etc don't carry over automatically and for free for the few select games that are available on both, PS4 and the out-fading PS Vita.
There is one, two if you are generous, devices that you can natively play your PS4 games on that share the same form factor and are all stationary.
It's not 'wonderful' at all.
E: Because somebody else mentioned it. While minor, the lack of HDR pass-through with PSVRs breakout box is also telling. Remember how 4K HDR are the marketing bullet points for Pro, yet their addon hardware doesn't support seamless usage?
Then just ignore the post and move along instead of trying to spawn a discussion from it... and don't act like 'one of y'all' don't do the same shit in PC-focused threads.
I would pay way more, probably $699 to have a single system that could play my PS3, PS4, and ideally psone and PS2 games, than hooking up three systems. Like if they just put PS3 components into a ps4prolegacy or something. That's just me though. So many games won't get remastered.
dragonyeuw
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Well hey, at least one person agrees with the OP.
So you "went to a friends", messed with the UI, jumped around in the store, downloaded a game to test speeds, bought and or installed a disc copy of game for the heck of it, and your friend also happened to be in the preview program to test the updated UI/software?
That all just worked out perfectly for you.
User123456
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So, how does this work exactly? You can come in here and argue that the Xbox One's approach to ecosystems is better, but not the PC's?
It's a perfectly valid comparison, and a perfectly valid suggestion.
I've also felt a severe lack of synergy across my PS devices for the same reasons already outlined by other posters: Stuff gets left behind. With the PS4 in particular, everything was left behind except the very specific PS2 remasters that you have to buy again anyway. The lack of HDR passthrough on PS VR also.
I don't expect PS3 BC on PS4 because I know that may be even harder than the 360->X1 BC, but I atleast expect to have my PSX/PS2 games playable without having to spend again. As long as they want people to purchase again old content (as Nintendo) it makes me hard to invest money in their ecosystem.
I bought many cheap digital X360 games hoping to get them on my X1. I know that will probably not happen for many games, but the chance that I could bring my 3 game with me on X1, then Scorpio, then (hopefully) the next Xbox made me spend more than I'm willing to admit. I used to do the same with cheap PC games until I stopped using my desktop completely, but I know for a fact that if I were to build one tomorrow I'd get access to all my old Steam/Origin/uPlay games.
I bought many cheap digital X360 games hoping to get them on my X1. I know that will probably not happen for many games, but the chance that I could bring my 3 game with me on X1, then Scorpio, then (hopefully) the next Xbox made me spend more than I'm willing to admit. I used to do the same with cheap PC games until I stopped using my desktop completely, but I know for a fact that if I were to build one tomorrow I'd get access to all my old Steam/Origin/uPlay games.
Shadowhelper
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It's not quite ridiculous enough to be satire. No, not at all.
In terms of sheer volume of games, yeah, its okay. I mean, it has been quite a while now. They got some cool indie exclusives. But not that many really.
In fact, I think the promise of this online ecosystem of all these awesome indie games, and indie multiplayers games, never came to pass. Just mostly the bigger indies, and quite a few of the medium ones.
And the interface. It still sucks. It's potential as a social connection hub is garbage, which seems like the kinda thing they should be obsessed with, but seem to not care about.
I think the types of gamers on the PS are quite homogenous anyway. Steam might be the only place to have that large catalogue of games online, of all types.
In terms of sheer volume of games, yeah, its okay. I mean, it has been quite a while now. They got some cool indie exclusives. But not that many really.
In fact, I think the promise of this online ecosystem of all these awesome indie games, and indie multiplayers games, never came to pass. Just mostly the bigger indies, and quite a few of the medium ones.
And the interface. It still sucks. It's potential as a social connection hub is garbage, which seems like the kinda thing they should be obsessed with, but seem to not care about.
I think the types of gamers on the PS are quite homogenous anyway. Steam might be the only place to have that large catalogue of games online, of all types.
AnthonypUK
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Yup, stayed with her a week, brought State of Decay for 9.99 Euro's to play while i was there, took ages to download, and then to install. As gifts i got her Divinity and Rare replay that i took with me and they both took 45mins to 1 hour to install from the disc/ download off BC.
*shrugs* i don't care whats in a beta or to come, i used what was live, and it wasn't very good. If they're improving it, great, but thats the impression i got.
0coolclimate0
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Huh?
I was wondering the same thing haha
The opening OP whether he meant it or not, reads like one.
RichiRamjag
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When that is the question of the thread, I fail to see how it's relevant to what was asked. I didn't mention anything about Xbox, so I'm gonna disregard that question. Some folks here are pushier than door to door salesmen with that nonsense.
I don't. Also...take your own advice.
Weltall Zero
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Kind of odd seeing a "PS ecosystem" thread that doesn't mention PS Plus. The thread is more about the PS4 ecosystem specifically, I guess, but as someone who games on the go a damn lot, the Vita and PS4 games are what makes PS Plus such a great deal.
notworksafe
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Is this OP paid marketing? Try being a little less obvious next time.
They could use standard pc hardware to emulate ps2 and psx.
digoutyoursoul
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Have to be careful what I say, I was banned the last time I suspected this sort of thing with regards to a certain member.
RichiRamjag
Member
Once you've started buying games regularly on any platform, you're somewhat in their ecosystem.
I agree. What Sony do they usually do well, but i can't say that they blown my mind with the products or services they offer.
Omnistalgic
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I think they need to get PSP/PSV/PS1 libraries onto PS4 somehow, they are huge and vast.
Overall though, I actually like PS2 classic, just wish they were more frequent and PS now is good if your net is.
Overall though, I actually like PS2 classic, just wish they were more frequent and PS now is good if your net is.
Okami Haundo
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Yeah... I could have included a heck of a lot more but I was trying to avoid having the longest OP in the world. People are talking regardless so I don't feel the need to go edit it. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯It isn't but apparently I should contact Sony for my check! Emailing them right now...
Night.Ninja
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I think it might just be
Mass_Pincup
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What are you talking about? Out of every platform holder (let's even have PC storefront) Sony is handily the one having the most positive talk around here.
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