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Sony isn't giving up on PSP.

PSP is a failure? Since when? Or do people not realize that the objective of a corporation is to make money, which Sony has been doing with the PSP. Has it destroyed Nintendo in the handheld market or even ran side by side with them? No. Has it been profitable enough for Sony to keep supporting it? Absolutely.

Now they just need to be smart enough and drop the price about $50.
 
Mael said:
the system only exists in Japan because Monster Hunter put it on the map, seriously the fact that most jp games on it are MH-like should be telling.
In the west they probably only exists because of incentives from Sony and not any other reasons.
NEARLY EVERY SINGLE PSP RELEASE AS BEEN A MASSIVE FAILURE IN THE WEST FOR AT LEAST A YEAR.

Whats a failure? We dont even know what companies targetted sales for their psp games is. Then again it wasnt like much of anything big was released between now and this time last year, though some companies found high sales for some of their titles in the us, i think smt: persona is one title), didnt gt psp and lpb psp do fairly well too?).

I really dont see what peoples definitions of "failure" is for a system which only has 20% of the market anyway...
 
kevm3 said:
PSP is a failure? Since when? Or do people not realize that the objective of a corporation is to make money, which Sony has been doing with the PSP. Has it destroyed Nintendo in the handheld market or even ran side by side with them? No. Has it been profitable enough for Sony to keep supporting it? Absolutely.

Now they just need to be smart enough and drop the price about $50.

...and growth.

The PSP market has been shrinking for a while. Not a good sign when your competitors are experiencing growth at your expense.

I'm a bit surprised that Sony is trying to counter the 3DS and iPhone/iPod Touch with lowering the prices of some older software titles on PSN. It's never a good place to be when you have a large legacy catalog that isn't on the service and there is constant questioning by your consumers whether future titles will ever see the light of day on PSN.

That said, a PSP2 announcement could totally change the ballgame.
 
User Tron said:
You can lol all you want but he is right the PSP is a failure. It took away resources from the ps3 which has done much more damage to Sony than the PSP was compensating. The PSP brand is basically worth nothing now (see Go). So what did it really achieve besides a little profit?
It's a neat system with a lot of awesome games.

Which, unless you are a major shareholder in Sony, should be all that matters.
 
Mael said:
pspgo did nothing bu hasten the system's decline.
Didn't the Go's release boost PSN sales by 200%? As well as act as a flagship for a PSP marketing campaign that brought about the wave of amazing games since September last year as well as digital distribution? (PSP Minis as well)

I'm confused as to how that contributes to the decline of the system.
 
Dedication Through Light said:
Whats a failure? We dont even know what companies targetted sales for their psp games is. Then again it wasnt like much of anything big was released between now and this time last year, though some companies found high sales for some of their titles in the us, i think smt: persona is one title), didnt gt psp and lpb psp do fairly well too?).

I really dont see what peoples definitions of "failure" is for a system which only has 20% of the market anyway...

And I guess by that definition nothing is a failure either, who cares about what goal you've been set! What really count is what you achieved anyway!

Didn't the Go's release boost PSN sales by 200%? As well as act as a flagship for a PSP marketing campaign that brought about the wave of amazing games since September last year as well as digital distribution? (PSP Minis as well)

I'm confused as to how that contributes to the decline of the system.

Oh nothing it killed all momentum the psp had in japan (so much that the Go sell less than the 360 now :lol ).
From all account psn sales are anemic to say the least (go to a npd thread saying how psp software sales are so awesome because of psn unreported sales :lol )
 
Mael said:
Oh nothing it killed all momentum the psp had in japan (so much that the Go sell less than the 360 now :lol ).
From all account psn sales are anemic to say the least (go to a npd thread saying how psp software sales are so awesome because of psn unreported sales :lol )
Ya, the Go sells awful, sure, but don't the regular PSP models still sell about 5x more than the 360 in Japan?
 
Mael said:
Oh nothing it killed all momentum the psp had in japan (so much that the Go sell less than the 360 now :lol ).

So when will you stop spouting bullshit? GO bombed hard yes but it killed ALL momentum in Japan? So much so that it outsold ALL platforms this year?

IPoopStandingUp said:
Ya, the Go sells awful, sure, but don't the regular PSP models still sell about 5x more than the 360 in Japan?

Closer to 15x than 5x for sure.
 
IPoopStandingUp said:
Ya, the Go sells awful, sure, but don't the regular PSP models still sell about 5x more than the 360 in Japan?

Regular ones sell fine, but you shouldn't use 360 sales for any type of favourable comparison.
 
linsivvi said:
So when will you stop spouting bullshit? GO bombed hard yes but it killed ALL momentum in Japan? So much so that it outsold ALL platforms this year?

What do you see as entertainment phenomenon in Japan right now?
Your answer will explain the situation quite well
 
Mael said:
And I guess by that definition nothing is a failure either, who cares about what goal you've been set! What really count is what you achieved anyway!
)

What Im saying is we dont know any goal that anyone had, lol! Youre saying these softwares were failures...but I cant see any tangible statements that would even support the notion. Now if companies had completely eliminated their PSP divisions or had nothing on the radar for PSP then I could at least imagine that they had previous failures, but, its hard to find any.

But yeah at the end of the day, all that matters is how much money you made from the product :P
 
Mael said:
You're right , losing 2/3rd of your customers and all the profits garnered in the last decade is not a disaster.

A large segment of PS2 owners, perhaps the largest, bought the thing either as a DVD player or at the end of its life when it was mad cheap. You can't really 'win' these customers with a full-price console no matter what.

They didn't buy the PS2 when it launched and they weren't going to buy the PS3 when it launched.
 
A large segment of PS2 owners, perhaps the largest, bought the thing either as a DVD player or at the end of its life when it was mad cheap. You can't really 'win' these customers with a full-price console no matter what.

They didn't buy the PS2 when it launched and they weren't going to buy the PS3 when it launched.

You see them returning anytime in the future?
 
I'm by no means a Sony apologist, but I think something that is often lost in discussions about the PSP is:

1. It is BY FAR the most successful competitor/challenger to Nintendo's dominance of the handheld market EVER. They came in without any pre-existing base and sold half as much as the DS, which happens to be the best selling system of all time. No small feat, I think.

2. It is currently doing really well consistently in Japan right now.
 
Nessus said:
I'm by no means a Sony apologist, but I think something that is often lost in discussions about the PSP is:

1. It is BY FAR the most successful competitor/challenger to Nintendo's dominance of the handheld market EVER. They came in without any pre-existing base and sold half as much as the DS, which happens to be the best selling system of all time. No small feat, I think.

2. It is currently doing really well consistently in Japan right now.

That's like saying that the Zune did well because it sold 1/100th of what the ipod did despite the market not being their core focus!

I bet Sony's higher up don't even know why the Psp is so successful in Japan and so irrelevant elsewhere (to be fair, there's proof positive that Nintendo themselves don't know why the Wii ever was successful anyway)
 
Mael said:
You see them returning anytime in the future?

If Sony is able to implement price cuts in the future that are percieved to be 'reasonable' by that consumer base, along with an improved marketing campaign aimed at showing its future-proofness with blu-ray/3D/PSN.

Yes.
 
Mael said:
What do you see as entertainment phenomenon in Japan right now?
Your answer will explain the situation quite well

Don't you try to pull that shit on me. I called you out with facts and you try to deflect it with a rhetoric, nonsensical question? When has the topic been changed to current entertainment phenomenon? Try harder.:lol
 
You don't add software in the equation at all. Hardware alone doesn't determine the success or failure of a system. Japan is mentioned all the time but until December 27 it is:

Harware
NDS - 29.161.589
PSP - 13.386.455
WII - 9.501.999
PS3 - 4.391.407
360 - 1.197.873

Software
NDS - 147.193.793
WII - 40.524.299
PSP - 37.734.927
PS3 - 16.580.372
360 - 6.309.885

Japan is PSP's strongest market by far but even there it is far from doing really well.
 
Mako_Drug said:
If Sony is able to implement price cuts in the future that are percieved to be 'reasonable' by that consumer base, along with an improved marketing campaign aimed at showing its future-proofness with blu-ray/3D/PSN.

Yes.

Holy shit that's what they did already and it ended up costing them a fortune already



Don't you try to pull that shit on me. I called you out with facts and you try to deflect it with a rhetoric, nonsensical question? When has the topic been changed to current entertainment phenomenon? Try harder.

My point is everything sells like shit right now....
 
Mael said:
What do you see as entertainment phenomenon in Japan right now?
Your answer will explain the situation quite well
I'm with linsivvi here, Mael. The Go wasn't even important enough/noticed enough to have had even half a chance of ruining the PSP's momentum. It was kind of like a hot chick farting. Everyone scrunched their nose for a minute, the smell passed, and things went back to normal.
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
I'm with linsivvi here, Mael. The Go wasn't even important enough/noticed enough to have had even half a chance of ruining the PSP's momentum. It was kind of like a hot chick farting. Everyone scrunched their nose for a minute, the smell passed, and things went back to normal.

ah?
I thought I saw psp go down the shitter at the precise time of the release and never pulling back, I must confuse that with something else then.
My mistake
 
Mael said:
Holy shit that's what they did already and it ended up costing them a fortune already

First of all their position in the market has improved massively post-'slim relaunch' and secondly, I was actually referring to the PS2/casual audience who won't consider anything above US$199 or whatever pricepoint the PS2 achieved mass appeal at.
 
Mael said:
ah?
I thought I saw psp go down the shitter at the precise time of the release and never pulling back, I must confuse that with something else then.
My mistake
Nah, the PSP is still trudging on fine. Admittedly it kind of floats from tentpole release to tentpole release, but that's how it's been for a while, and doesn't have much to do with the Go. I'm pretty sure most Japanese don't even know what the Go is.
 
Chris1964 said:
Japan is PSP's strongest market by far but even there it is far from doing really well.

Well I agree with that. It's also far from being a Monster Hunter machine that some people are saying.
 
Mako_Drug said:
First of all their position in the market has improved massively post-'slim relaunch' and secondly, I was actually referring to the PS2/casual audience who won't consider anything above US$199 or whatever pricepoint the PS2 achieved mass appeal at.

And I thought that we were done with the whole 'price point is all that matters' -_-
Time to wake up as far NA is concerned the ps3 slim resurgence is OVER (in Europe it's different as it was never in that bad a position anyway).

The market is vastly different now than it was last gen, blue ray is no dvd and the move toward digital distribution for films is certainly not helping.
Don't expect things to repeat itself

Nah, the PSP is still trudging on fine. Admittedly it kind of floats from tentpole release to tentpole release, but that's how it's been for a while, and doesn't have much to do with the Go. I'm pretty sure most Japanese don't even know what the Go is.

With my luck I probably checked between tentpole release and put the blame on the Go :lol
 
Nessus said:
I'm by no means a Sony apologist, but I think something that is often lost in discussions about the PSP is:

1. It is BY FAR the most successful competitor/challenger to Nintendo's dominance of the handheld market EVER. They came in without any pre-existing base and sold half as much as the DS, which happens to be the best selling system of all time. No small feat, I think.

2. It is currently doing really well consistently in Japan right now.

No that is the definition of being a Sony apologist. You don't succeed in your original plans so you redefine what success is to rationalize failure. Hey guys we didn't win the race like we wanted to but at least we beat the kid with the gimped foot! That's something, right? No. Short-term memory. Sony outlined it's plans for the PSP right from the onset and specifically used terms like "Walkman of the 21st Century" and phrases like, "bringing handheld gaming out of the handheld ghetto." If you are going to sell your product and define success using such hyperbole, you deserve to get called out on it when you fall short of those goals. No one here seems to remember UMD music and UMD movies, whatever happened to those? Did you also forget how the PSP was supposed to connect to the PS2/PS3 to enhance the gaming experience? None of those things turned out the way Sony intended. The fact that a product exists in a market does not mean it is a success when it falls short of it's goals. That's the argument the Sony apologists are making; the fact that the PSP exists at all considering Nintendo's so-called dominance of the handheld market is a miracle worth noting to these people. It's not; it's simply a testament to the fact that Sony is a corporation with enough resources to throw at a marginally profitable product like the PSP. As someone mentioned earlier, I guess the Xbox360 is a roaring success in Japan as well because Microsoft, a multibillion dollar corporation, didn't crumble and fade into oblivion under the might of the Wii/PS3 in Japan. That's something, right? Whatever. At least Microsoft were more humble about their goals in the Japanese market.
 
This thread is totally crazed. 'Fanboys,' 'haters,' and 'apologists' - oh my! I love how having a different viewpoint than someone else automatically qualifies you for one of these illustrious labels, and measurements of success have to be all or nothing.

As a piece of hardware, the PSP sold well. As a platform for content, it failed. It allowed Sony to step into a market that Nintendo has always dominated and has held up far better than most. The difference between the two companies is that Nintendo has had a couple of decades to figure out this whole handheld market thing, whereas Sony keeps applying technological solutions to problems no one ever had. And that's why people bought the PSP, by and large - the technology, never mind what the hell it's meant to be used for.

If Sony doesn't mention the PSP2 at E3, it means it either isn't ready or they are bowing out of the traditional handheld system market. The former likely makes the latter inevitable, as it would be giving the king of the market time to leverage influence with software developers and the public to amass a helluva lot of momentum. Momentum you don't want the leader of the market to have given you hope to stand much of a chance against them, particularly if you're going to be joining the party late.

So if they don't mention or show PSP2 at E3, they should either be already well into planning for the system's redirect towards the iPhone market or begin to seriously consider doing so. [The PR comments leads me to believe they already are planning an exodus from the traditional handheld market.] Latching onto Android's increasing popularity would probably make a PSP-enabled version a standout within the cellular market. This strikes me as a wiser move than coming late to Nintendo's coronation and, without question, getting their ass kicked.
 
I don't think the PSP is a dead line by any means even if it doesn't make an appearance at E3 but regardless of its health or long term viability, I'd bet that Sony will stand by it for a ridiculously long time in light of how persistently they try to push stuff like the mylo.
 
Shit! I was disappointing my cheerleaders.

bmf said:
I'm curious if he'll show up given his stance on the matter of the future of the PSP. He was rather verbal about it.

Not that much to point out here that wasn't already true in the last thread. Sony is firesaleing their PSP games and throwing free shit at Go owners to try to keep the platform afloat for a few more months. They're denying the existence of a PSP2 because acknowledging it before they're ready to officially reveal it would be counterproductive to that strategy. Pretty much everything they're doing fits with the idea of, say, a TGS reveal followed by a late Q2 2011 launch -- i.e. about the latest they can get away with launching it without getting totally fucking steamrolled by 3DS.

esquire said:
The fact that they clung so tightly to a proprietary format like UMD should have been the first warning sign of this lack of vision for what the PSP was supposed to be.

How could you tell it was a Sony device without a bizarre fixation on a proprietary media format, though? :lol

Or do they want to create something truly unique and new?

I do still think a network-oriented handheld built around a good asynchronous network design would at least have the potential to offer something "new."

JWong said:
We're talking about 66 million PSPs and 128 million DSs. Sony has done well.

In terms of pure unit sellthrough, Sony has done fantastic. In terms of the Japanese marketplace, Sony has also done extremely well (PSP is still ultimately going to be the #2 system out of five in that market this generation.) But I do think you have to balance that against Sony completely squandering an excellent start in the West and thereby leaving themselves with a huge uphill climb for the PSP2.

Ultimately, taken together, this puts you in either the "disappointing success" or "impressive failure" category, which are only a stone's throw from one another anyway. In terms of successfulness it's probably somewhere around the level of the OG Xbox (sold more, but positioned its successor less well).

Tellaerin said:
By your logic (and I use the word loosely here), the X360 and PS3 are both failures, too.

The PS3 is unambiguously a failure if you measure it at this exact moment (having destroyed Sony's market leadership and more than wiped out all profits its predecessors ever earned) though Sony's fighting a very strong fight to end the generation with it better off. The 360 is a qualified success/failure of a similar type to the PSP -- it sort of did what MS wanted, it's doing well in some places, but it has some huge structural weaknesses and hasn't been profitable the way it ought to be.

I would agree that relative positioning is important to take into account -- the PSP should absolutely get a ton of credit for popping into the Nintendo-dominated market and carving out that much room for itself.

Mako_Drug said:
I look it as a way for Sony to win the HD format wars. Probably the way Sony looked at it to.
Was it a success? Sure was.

Just to be clear, the total lifetime royalties Sony can expect to ever bring in from BRD royalties pale in comparison to the losses they generated via the PS3. If they really did sacrifice the game market to win the video disc market, it was a Pyrrhic victory at best.

GDGF said:
Sony just might be re-evaluating what the PSP2 should even be at this point.

Way too late for that!
 
Vinci said:
This thread is totally crazed. 'Fanboys,' 'haters,' and 'apologists' - oh my! I love how having a different viewpoint than someone else automatically qualifies you for one of these illustrious labels, and measurements of success have to be all or nothing.

As a piece of hardware, the PSP sold well. As a platform for content, it failed. It allowed Sony to step into a market that Nintendo has always dominated and has held up far better than most. The difference between the two companies is that Nintendo has had a couple of decades to figure out this whole handheld market thing, whereas Sony keeps applying technological solutions to problems no one ever had. And that's why people bought the PSP, by and large - the technology, never mind what the hell it's meant to be used for.

If Sony doesn't mention the PSP2 at E3, it means it either isn't ready or they are bowing out of the traditional handheld system market. The former likely makes the latter inevitable, as it would be giving the king of the market time to leverage influence with software developers and the public to amass a helluva lot of momentum. Momentum you don't want the leader of the market to have given you hope to stand much of a chance against them, particularly if you're going to be joining the party late.

So if they don't mention or show PSP2 at E3, they should either be already well into planning for the system's redirect towards the iPhone market or begin to seriously consider doing so. [The PR comments leads me to believe they already are planning an exodus from the traditional handheld market.] Latching onto Android's increasing popularity would probably make a PSP-enabled version a standout within the cellular market. This strikes me as a wiser move than coming late to Nintendo's coronation and, without question, getting their ass kicked.

I think you make a good point about Sony possibly bowing out of the 'traditional' handheld system market and incorporating the current PSP into other devices. On the other hand If Sony is indeed developing a new PSP next-gen successor then I would think they would debut it at E3 or if it isn't ready they would just simply make official that it's in development and more info about it (the hardware itself and games) will be revealed at a later date. If there is going to be a PSP2 I just don't see Sony sitting on the sidelines and not saying anything about it during E3 especially because of the upcoming 3DS onslaught.
 
charlequin said:
Just to be clear, the total lifetime royalties Sony can expect to ever bring in from BRD royalties pale in comparison to the losses they generated via the PS3. If they really did sacrifice the game market to win the video disc market, it was a Pyrrhic victory at best.

I in no way believe Sony consciously put themselves in the situation they currently find themselves in. One can only speculate that they expected little resistance from MS and Nintendo this gen and planned accordingly. It was a plan of fail, for sure but there were parts of it (like blu-ray and not spending millions on securing exclusives) that they were able to succeed at.
 
When is this psp favorites line suppose to go into effect? I want Logan's Shadow but all the retailers like Amazon and Gamestop are still charging the old prices. Is this psn only?
 
Unknown Soldier said:
The PSP was the first handheld which ever even remotely challenged Nintendo's eternal unopposed dominance of the handheld market. That's something.
Mael said:
:lol
Mael said:
Actually the 360 could be seen as a success as they managed to make money this time around and sold more than they ever did. The ps3 is an unmitigated disaster any way you look at it.
Well if we take into account expectations and loss of marketshare comparative to the gains made by Nintendo and MS, disaster might not be the right word, but much closer to the mark than success for sure.
 
Rated-Rsuperstar said:
When is this psp favorites line suppose to go into effect? I want Logan's Shadow but all the retailers like Amazon and Gamestop are still charging the old prices. Is this psn only?

Wait until after E3 for them to show up. It's a PSN (of which nearly all the price drops have taken effect) and UMD offer IIRC.
 
They should make a campaign with the song Rick Astelys never going to give you up- but with some sort of PSP based theme.
 
MikeE21286 said:
these umbers have to be terrible for comparable consoles which have been in existence for 5 years, no?
Handhelds traditionally have weaker tie ratios than consoles, so I'd imagine it's not too far off from past handheld systems. Of course, there are a lot of other factors to consider, not the least of which being that the jump in budget from developing a GBA or Wonderswan game to developing a PSP game is almost certainly massive.
 
Rated-Rsuperstar said:
When is this psp favorites line suppose to go into effect? I want Logan's Shadow but all the retailers like Amazon and Gamestop are still charging the old prices. Is this psn only?


The prices have already dropped on the PSN (For US anyways) hopefully the retailers follow soon, I want a lot of the games and would much rather have them via physical form.
 
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