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Sony: No plans for a PS3 price cut

Can someone answer the following 2 questions for me:

What is the PS3's install base right now?

How much has the 360 sold since the PS3 launched?
 
MrVargas said:
Can someone answer the following 2 questions for me:

What is the PS3's install base right now?

How much has the 360 sold since the PS3 launched?
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1. About 21 million
2. About 21 million
 
Wait for E3 for the clock fix. Sony isn't going to unleash that megaton before then.
 
MrVargas said:
Can someone answer the following 2 questions for me:

What is the PS3's install base right now?

How much has the 360 sold since the PS3 launched?
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Are you asking for a specific region or WW?
 
oneHeero said:
Idc what console you claim, trey4lyfe here. But I dont see how people hate on ps3 price when you could argue the wii is ridiculously overpriced for what you get.
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For what you get, the Wii is by far the most overpriced system this gen. For Sony, it's too expensive compared to it's closest competition. Considering the same MP games are on both systems and look the same, you are paying extra for Blu-ray and for people like me who 100% don't care about Blu-ray, it's a waste of money.

myDingling said:
$300 gets you a ticket into my living room, Sony. Take it or leave it.
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I got my PS3 for $220 and couldn't be happier with the cost but I was one of the $299 guys as well before I found that deal.
 
PR statements like this are meaningless, of course a company will deny a price cut before they actually announce one, otherwise you will scare people away from buying the damn thing.
 
H_Prestige said:
1. About 21 million
2. About 21 million
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Ok, I thought it would be something like this and these similar sales numbers have occured while the cheapest PS3 has been considerably more expensive the the cheapest 360. now my real question . . . . WHY THE HELL DO GAMERS AND THE GAMING MEDIA ACT AS IF THE 360 IS ABSOLUTELY WIPING THE FLOOR WITH THE PS3? I mean, I know the PS3 has lost a lot of money, I know it's a considerable fall from where the PS2 was last gen, but you really get the impression that the 360 is simply outselling the PS3 by some huge margin by the comments that you see, hear, and read in and around the enthusiast gaming communities.
 
OldJadedGamer said:
I got my PS3 for $220 and couldn't be happier with the cost but I was one of the $299 guys as well before I found that deal.
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I was lucky enough to get my PS3 around that price as well. A local mother had bought her young son a PS3, and realised that Mario, Mario Kart and Zelda weren't on it, so she put it up for sale in the newspaper for the price of the Wii, when I asked why it was so cheap, she said "I want to sell it and use the money to buy the Nintendo Wii". :lol

I didn't complain, I had one as new PS3 for the price of a Wii. :D
 
MrVargas said:
Ok, I thought it would be something like this and these similar sales numbers have occured while the cheapest PS3 has been considerably more expensive the the cheapest 360. now my real question . . . . WHY THE HELL DO GAMERS AND THE GAMING MEDIA ACT AS IF THE 360 IS ABSOLUTELY WIPING THE FLOOR WITH THE PS3? I mean, I know the PS3 has lost a lot of money, I know it's a considerable fall from where the PS2 was last gen, but you really get the impression that the 360 is simply outselling the PS3 by some huge margin by the comments that you see, hear, and read in and around the enthusiast gaming communities.
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It's a conspiracy, d00d.
 
OldJadedGamer said:
For what you get, the Wii is by far the most overpriced system this gen. For Sony, it's too expensive compared to it's closest competition. Considering the same MP games are on both systems and look the same, you are paying extra for Blu-ray and for people like me who 100% don't care about Blu-ray, it's a waste of money.
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Value is in the eye of the customer.

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MrVargas said:
Ok, I thought it would be something like this and these similar sales numbers have occured while the cheapest PS3 has been considerably more expensive the the cheapest 360. now my real question . . . . WHY THE HELL DO GAMERS AND THE GAMING MEDIA ACT AS IF THE 360 IS ABSOLUTELY WIPING THE FLOOR WITH THE PS3?
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1. The PS2 was far and away the king of sales last gen. It's a big story when the mighty fall.

2. Because a large portion of this forum and the gaming media is in the US, where the 360 is kinda wiping the floor with the PS3.

3. No one gives a shit about staggered starts. The PS2 came out a year before the Xbox and GC last gen and I didn't hear anyone going, "Bububut... launch align those figures!!" I mean, people probably were, but it ultimately didn't matter. It ultimately won't matter this time, either.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
Because if you don't, fifty million someone elses will.
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And 20 million someone elses will get a PS3.

Who gives a shit? Sony cannot afford a price drop right now, it would be nice if it was cheaper(For everyone involved, but it isn't YET) So the stupid comments about X console being over priced are stupid and reeks of fanboy wank. Besides when Sony cut things out to lower price, people bitched and said: "Now I won't buy one until I get this feature back".

Life doesn't wait for you, that's why they're called decisions! You use your best judgment and hope for the best at all times. And in this case everytime we get ample time to make up our minds.

If you can't afford a PS3 than you tough it out or go for the competition which I hear is much better! Yet people are making wishlists of what they want for a certain price. Nobody is forcing you to get one, and BluRay will always be there whether you want it or not.

You can't pick and choose.
 
ScrabbleBanshee said:
That should finally convince them to take even more massive losses on the expensive hardware. After all if you can get a 360 for $250, you should be able to get a 360 + Bluray player + wifi adapter, etc. for the same, it only makes sense.
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:lol

Hopefully the price cut comes before the end of the year.
 
Heh, funny because I'm trying to work out a way I can get my folks a way to view their photos on their TV and watch BD movies and it turns out that an arcade with everything (including wireless) + BD player is the same price as a PS3. The 360 is better at playing back media and it sucks the PS3 has no IR support but the biggest point is that the PS3 will likely remain to be one of the best BD playback devices out there.
 
pr0cs said:
Heh, funny because I'm trying to work out a way I can get my folks a way to view their photos on their TV and watch BD movies and it turns out that an arcade with everything (including wireless) + BD player is the same price as a PS3. The 360 is better at playing back media and it sucks the PS3 has no IR support but the biggest point is that the PS3 will likely remain to be one of the best BD playback devices out there.
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That's awesome, you should do it that way and save some money.
 
OldJadedGamer said:
For what you get, the Wii is by far the most overpriced system this gen. For Sony, it's too expensive compared to it's closest competition. Considering the same MP games are on both systems and look the same, you are paying extra for Blu-ray and for people like me who 100% don't care about Blu-ray, it's a waste of money.



I got my PS3 for $220 and couldn't be happier with the cost but I was one of the $299 guys as well before I found that deal.
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Where did you find a PS3 for $220? My roommate's dying to get a PS3, but can only pay around $200 at most.
 
VALIS said:
1. The PS2 was far and away the king of sales last gen. It's a big story when the mighty fall.
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That is true, but unrelated to the point I am making. On nearly all of the gaming podcast I listen as well as all the gaming forums I visit there really is an impression that the 360 is wiping the floor with the PS3 in sales period when this is not the case.


VALIS said:
2. Because a large portion of this forum and the gaming media is in the US, where the 360 is kinda wiping the floor with the PS3.
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That is true but that also means in that the PS3 is kinda wiping the floor with the 360 by a similar margin in other parts of the world and how often do you see that reported? NEVER.


VALIS said:
3. No one gives a shit about staggered starts. The PS2 came out a year before the Xbox and GC last gen and I didn't hear anyone going, "Bububut... launch align those figures!!" I mean, people probably were, but it ultimately didn't matter. It ultimately won't matter this time, either.
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Even if you dismiss the staggered start thing it still is not nearly as a big a difference as a lot of people make it out to be. I mean the SNES outsold the Genesis by 20 million and that was always considered a good battle between both systems (hell and in that case the Genesis was the system that had the head start, could you imagine what people would be saying if the PS3 came a year before the 360 and still managed to sell millions less).

The PS3 has already outsold the GameCube will pass the original Xbox this year but if I just listened to the forums and gaming media I would've guessed that the PS3 was in the Dreamcast install base number territory.
 
MrVargas said:
The PS3 has already outsold the GameCube will pass the original Xbox this year but if I just listened to the forums and gaming media I would've guessed that the PS3 was in the Dreamcast install base number territory.
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Honestly, I'm of the opinion that hard numbers don't mean as much. The reason GAF and all the other media are saying the PS3 is being destroyed is because the PS3 is no longer as compelling as it once was. Sure the numbers may be fine, but the PSP is also doing fine and you'll rarely find a hardcore gamer/gaming site praising the merits of that system. If the PS3 is doing fine numbers wise it can probably be attributed to the generation past and diehard fans still clinging to the brand. Anyone who knows what's what is likely to be pretty disenchanted by the PS3 and Sony's decisions this gen.
 
"Hey yeah we have a price cut planned for five months from now, so don't buy a PS3 now!"
 
If everyone anticipates a price cut, there will be even fewer systems sold in anticipation. Obviously Sony doesn't want that, especially if there isn't a price cut soon, regardless of necessity [this can be argued back and forth all day between two Rabbis playing chess].
 
myDingling said:
Anyone who knows what's what is likely to be pretty disenchanted by the PS3 and Sony's decisions this gen.
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Totally disagree on that one. This was definitely the case at launch and throught 2007 and early 2008. However, Despite all the perpetual doom and gloom talk, there has been a big swing in favor of the PS3 which started last year in the fall with games like Little Big Planet, and Valkyria Chronicles and has really kicked into gear this year with games like Flower, Noby Noby Boy, and Killzone and with Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, and God of War 3 getting a good deal of buzz. People have already stopped with the "PS3 has no games" talk that was apparant for the systems first 18 months on the market and instead are saying quite the opposite the misconception in my opinion surrounds the sales numbers were people act like the system is selling horribly when in reality world-wide numbers have been on par with the 360.
 
Vinci said:
It's funny because ... ??

It's the truth. I'll be happy to buy the thing at a price that I feel a game console is worth. I won't go beyond that. You might have. Good for you. We're different. Yay for variety in the gaming populace.
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I'm not saying you are wrong or right for waiting for a $250 pricetag, but keep in mind how much gaming PCs are, like at least $1,500 for a decent rig. That's excluding blu ray.

So since I use to be a PC gamer mostly, $400 for a machine that has a ton of power, blu ray for HD movies, built in wi fi, and I can install Linux on it, I don't see that too high at all. So to me, the PS3 is almost more a gaming PC then a console, I can browse the web, screw around in Linux, use it for other types of media then just games.

But with all that being said, I still think that the PS3 should have a price drop if its any remotely feasible for Sony because it will drive up sales, which will make competition in the gaming space better, which means we as the consumer wins.
 
MrVargas said:
Totally disagree on that one. This was definitely the case at launch and throught 2007 and early 2008. However, Despite all the perpetual doom and gloom talk, there has been a big swing in favor of the PS3 which started last year in the fall with games like Little Big Planet, and Valkyria Chronicles and has really kicked into gear this year with games like Flower, Noby Noby Boy, and Killzone and with Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, and God of War 3 getting a good deal of buzz. People have already stopped with the "PS3 has no games" talk that was apparant for the systems first 18 months on the market and instead are saying quite the opposite the misconception in my opinion surrounds the sales numbers were people act like the system is selling horribly when in reality world-wide numbers have been on par with the 360.
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I think thats more an example of the PS3 doing well despite Sony. Sony is still making stupid decisions. You need to divorce the games on the PS3 from Sony as a company.
 
Snipes424 said:
I'm not saying you are wrong or right for waiting for a $250 pricetag, but keep in mind how much gaming PCs are, like at least $1,500 for a decent rig. That's excluding blu ray.

So since I use to be a PC gamer mostly, $400 for a machine that has a ton of power, blu ray for HD movies, built in wi fi, and I can install Linux on it, I don't see that too high at all. So to me, the PS3 is almost more a gaming PC then a console, I can browse the web, screw around in Linux, use it for other types of media then just games.

But with all that being said, I still think that the PS3 should have a price drop if its any remotely feasible for Sony because it will drive up sales, which will make competition in the gaming space better, which means we as the consumer wins.
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Are you ......sure.......about that? Don't know when you stopped PC gaming, but you can get a fuck-awesome rig for 550 nowadays (excluding monitor) on regular custom-built sales. That's not even mentioning major discount sessions, which the PC market has often now. :lol
 
SkySonata said:
Are you ......sure.......about that? Don't know when you stopped PC gaming, but you can get a fuck-awesome rig for 550 nowadays (excluding monitor) on regular custom-built sales. That's not even mentioning major discount sessions, which the PC market has often now. :lol
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$550? I don't know man, I'm talking about

-case
-Video Card
-Processor
-Ram
-Mother board
-Hard Drive
-Power supply
-sound card

If you can all of those for $550 and be decent, then you sir are amazing.
 
If I was going to try to predict when the price drop will be it would be after they move to 45/45 Nm chips and they move some of the old inventory first.
 
myDingling said:
Honestly, I'm of the opinion that hard numbers don't mean as much. The reason GAF and all the other media are saying the PS3 is being destroyed is because the PS3 is no longer as compelling as it once was. Sure the numbers may be fine, but the PSP is also doing fine and you'll rarely find a hardcore gamer/gaming site praising the merits of that system. If the PS3 is doing fine numbers wise it can probably be attributed to the generation past and diehard fans still clinging to the brand. Anyone who knows what's what is likely to be pretty disenchanted by the PS3 and Sony's decisions this gen.
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So much funny in one post.

- PS3 is compelling still due to it's exclusive games, and other media capabilities
- Hardcore gamer/gaming sites not praising the PS3 is for other reasons.
- PS3 is doing fine not only from it's brand recognition, but from the old and new exclusives as well as other media capabilities.
- What's this "What's what"? They chose to go for the ultimate entertainment centerpiece, and it's just as easy to argue that they reached that as it is to nay-say.
- Why would people be "disenchanted" by a machine still delivering exclusives, with it's other media capabilities? If they decided to target a higher class, so be it. It happens in every industry at times. Did they screw up here and there, you bet, but they also managed to give some people their most fond piece of gaming hardware.

Sorry Sony, not buying one unless I can get it for $250 in some way shape or forum. Payed it for my Wii, payed it for my 60GB 360, and you will get the same.
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Sorry Drkirby, you're not going to be able to play some killer exclusives then, as the PS3 is a higher end piece of hardware thus having a higher premium.
 
Snipes424 said:
$550? I don't know man, I'm talking about

-case
-Video Card
-Processor
-Ram
-Mother board
-Hard Drive
-Power supply
-sound card

If you can all of those for $550 and be decent, then you sir are amazing.
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• Intel® Core™2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz
• Intel G31 Chipset 16X Mainboard
• 4GB PC6400 DDR2 RAM
• 500GB 7200RPM SATA-II HD
• ATI Radeon HD3850 512MB 16X Video
• LG 20X DVD Rewritable Drive
• 7.1 AC97 Onboard Sound
• 12-in-1 Flash Media Writer
• 600Watts Stereo Speakers
• Apevia X-SniperG Mid-Tower 420Watts Case with Side Window

Goes for 559 + Free shipping at my fave store.



BUT.........I may have forgotten what "decent" means in the PC gaming world. :lol

• Asetek Liquid Cooling
• Intel® Core™2 Quad Q9650
• Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit
• Asus Striker II nForce 790i SLI MB
• 8GB PC1333 DDR3 1600MHz RAM
• 1TB SATA-II HD
• 2 x NVIDIA GF GTS250 512MB Video
• Blu-Ray Player Drive
• LG 20X DVD+-RW Drive
• High Definition 7.1 Sound
• Thermaltake ElementS Mid-Tower 800W Case

This goes for 1500....and I think that's what a PC gamer would call "decent".



Me? I'm too poor to get those rigs... I'm stuck with a 7800GT and a 2.2GHz processor and overclock the crap out of them to be able to stick with the big boys @ Call of Duty.

Still, given the price for alot of good systems, the PS3 really does give bang for its buck. Yes Sony should approach a mass market price, but at the same time, remind people that they're buying a system worth far more. And I don't think they've done a good job at that. Sony cost curves show the PS3 is underpriced, yet the mass market sees it as overpriced. That's Sony fault for giving the system such a shit image, and they should fix that image before manipulating the price any further in the future.
 
Gbeav said:
If I was going to try to predict when the price drop will be it would be after they move to 45/45 Nm chips and they move some of the old inventory first.
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45nm Cell has always been on target for Spring 2009, ever since Sony announced it last year. So it does give some more credence to the price cut rumor.
 
SuperEnemyCrab said:
You need to divorce the games on the PS3 from Sony as a company.
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Hmm..a weird statement. A lot of the games that make a PS3 worth owning comes from Sony. You can't really divorce the content stream PS3 users have enjoyed from Sony.

Sony have made some bad decisions (and some good ones that have a less obvious impact on market performance than their bad ones), but they've done a very good job with content the last 12 months or so IMO, and they seem to be improving further still. Once you get passed the pricepoint, there's very little to dislike about the PS3..it's easily the most flexible and open and consumer-friendly playstation (again, passed the steep price).

On the general note of 'hardware value'...Sony is still likely selling PS3 at a loss, or just about breaking even. Whether you want to pay the asking price or not, Sony is not asking you for more than the hardware is worth (yet, at least). For a long time they asked you for a lot less. I think forgetting cost and looking at consumer choice, it would be very difficult to put together a comprehensive alternative for the same price, let alone cheaper (forgetting, of course, the content that's only available on PS3..i mean from a hardware POV).
 
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