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[Hellion]

you're not a real gamer if you don't have multiple PSN accounts

I forget my passwords every time my ps3 bricks. Also I can count the few times I ever used them.

 

[neptunes]

Because people that planned on sharing a PS Vita (e.g. husband/wife, boyfriend/girlfriend, family) now have to buy more than one device.

I just want to know if most Vita games will allow for multiple save slots.

That would help alleviate this issue

 

[Bomber Bob]

I just want to know if most Vita games will allow for multiple save slots.

That would help alleviate this issue

maybe is like on the ps3 where you dont have save slots, but only save files

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I just want to know if most Vita games will allow for multiple save slots.

That would help alleviate this issue.

But not the issue of some games only being available on certain stores. Some people might like to play Japanese games which aren't released in the US but still use their US account as their primary account.

 

[Akira]

If this is really a deal breaker for some people, that's quite sad. Why is there so much bullshit attached to gaming now? I just want to play GAMES, goddamnit. I couldn't care less about how the Vita UI is worse than XMB or how only one account is attached to the system or how much stupid trophies I can gather into one account. As long as it delivers the next-generation of PSP handheld gaming, I'm GOOD.

 

[Aeana]

If this is really a deal breaker for some people, that's quite sad. Why is there so much bullshit attached to gaming now? I just want to play GAMES, goddamnit. I couldn't care less about how the Vita UI is worse than XMB or how only one account is attached to the system or how much stupid trophies I can gather into one account. As long as it delivers the next-generation of PSP handheld gaming, I'm GOOD.

Yeah, I want to play games too. This keeps me from being able to do so.

 

[Mrbob]

Someone should tweet Yoshida with a link to this thread.

?

Well I meant a good reason.

 

[x3sphere]

This is really to disable game sharing. If you are allowed to have accounts in different regions, you can sure have accounts in the same region. How do they fix it? No 2nd account. Expect this on PS4 as well.

No, it's not. The way the PS Store DRM works, it checks how many activations a particular piece of content has received. Right now the max is set to 2 I believe, if Sony moved it down to 1 that would effectively disable game sharing on PS3 as well.

In other words, Sony could let you create as many PSN accounts as you'd like and still disable game sharing. I can't figure out the reasoning behind this, but it has nothing to do with game sharing.

 

[Akira]

Yeah, I want to play games too. This keeps me from being able to do so.

Explain, please. Did you buy games on different accounts or something?

 

[Shadow780]

there you go.


fml. i can't spell cartridge D:

Be honest, you have that link in your "special" bookmarks folder don't you?

 

[BeEatNU]

heh. no big for me. but let the crying commence.

truth.

I got over that whole PSN store switching shit within the first year of PS3.
I stay on the US store.

 

[cartman414]

Explain, please. Did you buy games on different accounts or something?

If she wants to purchase games digitally from different regions, that would be the only means.

 

[LeleSocho]

If this is really a deal breaker for some people, that's quite sad. Why is there so much bullshit attached to gaming now? I just want to play GAMES, goddamnit. I couldn't care less about how the Vita UI is worse than XMB or how only one account is attached to the system or how much stupid trophies I can gather into one account. As long as it delivers the next-generation of PSP handheld gaming, I'm GOOD.

Normally i would agree with you but the fact is that prevents me to play games and demos

 

[DangerousDave]

Yeah, I want to play games too. This keeps me from being able to do so.

We still don't know if this will keep us away. I have 2 main accounts for PSP, the US one (to buy games that don't reach EU or that are way cheaper) and my main EU one (with all PSN+ PSone and minis, and some PSP games that I bought with sale).

If is something like take out card - factory reset - put again card (or another card) - select language - login to new account - login to wifi - wifi password... it will be a pain in the ass, but still affordable.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

Are the non-issue people and the ones complaining about the complainers just ignorant, or too lazy to read this thread?

 

[Neuromancer]

8-4 Play is going to have a field day with this one.

 

[mugurumakensei]

there you go.


fml. i can't spell cartridge D:

You can't buy any DLC for games from a different region though as you'll need a PSN account in that region.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Are the non-issue people and the ones complaining about the complainers just ignorant, or too lazy to read this thread?

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[Aeana]

Explain, please. Did you buy games on different accounts or something?

I want to play Japanese games and English games. I also want to be able to play digital versions of Japanese games, as they are dramatically cheaper and I don't have to wait for shipping or pay importer markup. I've already been doing this on PSP for a while now.

 

[Shadow780]

Can you load all the MC stuffs and your machine settings onto your PS3?

That way you can factory reset and not having to reconfigure and redownload everything once you switched back to your main account. It's still a hassle.

 

[larvi]

Will I be able to play games I buy at the store on the Vita without having it tied to a PSN account? Or are they going the way of an iphone/kindle where you have to have it tied to an account to do anything with it? Definitely not interested if it's the latter.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

Will I be able to play games I buy at the store on the Vita without having it tied to a PSN account? Or are they going the way of an iphone/kindle where you have to have it tied to an account to do anything with it? Definitely not interested if it's the latter.

You can't acces the PSstore without being locked into a PSN account.

 

[DCharlie]

I'll let out the same sigh as i did for the 3DS and start thinking about possibly having two Vita's a la 3DS.

<jaws>we're going to need a bigger bag</jaws>

 

[patsu]

You can't buy any DLC for games from a different region though as you'll need a PSN account in that region.

You can buy ! Sony won't reject your money.

But you have to reset your Vita and use a different memory card (if it needs one) to play it.

 

[larvi]

You can't acces the PSstore without being locked into a PSN account.

Currently for my PSP I buy all of my content via my PC and then transfer it. I don't have any of my account settings in the PSP itself, it's only on my PC, that's the way I want to keep it with the Vita. I don't care to have any personal info on a device that can easily be stolen.

 

[DangerousDave]

Can you load all the MC stuffs and your machine settings onto your PS3?

That way you can factory reset and not having to reconfigure and redownload everything once you switched back to your main account. It's still a hassle.

There are 2 possible situations.

Bad one: Vita remember the "code" of the memory card, so after a factory reset, that information will be deleted and then you'll have to format the card, redownload games, etc.

Good one: Vita don't remember memory cards, but account info is copied in the games. Then, after you make a factory reset, and you login, the games will work if your active account is the same than the ones of the games of the card. Like PSP, but with factory reset.

We still don't know the situation. If it's the bad one, we're screwed. If it's the good one, it's annoying but still able to have several accounts.

 

[patsu]

There are 2 possible situations.

Bad one: Vita remember the "code" of the memory card, so after a factory reset, that information will be deleted and then you'll have to format the card, redownload games, etc.

Good one: Vita don't remember memory cards, but account info is copied in the games. Then, after you make a factory reset, and you login, the games will work if your active account is the same than the ones of the games of the card. Like PSP, but with factory reset.

We still don't know the situation. If it's the bad one, we're screwed. If it's the good one, it's annoying but still able to have several accounts.

If PS3 keeps the game installs instead of the game itself, then it should already have all the credentials it needs to reinstall the game to an authorized Vita.

 

[7threst]

Currently for my PSP I buy all of my content via my PC and then transfer it. I don't have any of my account settings in the PSP itself, it's only on my PC, that's the way I want to keep it with the Vita. I don't care to have any personal info on a device that can easily be stolen.

Aren't you "forced" to make at least one account on PSP to be able to play a game?

 

[demosthenes]

This is stupid for Sony.

What do they hope to gain? Pleasing publishers some how? Hope to sell more Vitas?

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

Currently for my PSP I buy all of my content via my PC and then transfer it. I don't have any of my account settings in the PSP itself, it's only on my PC, that's the way I want to keep it with the Vita. I don't care to have any personal info on a device that can easily be stolen.

1. How do you buy PSN stuff on PC?
2. without attaching it to an account?

Edit: My PSP only lets me play the games as long as I'm logged in with the account that bought them in the first place.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I can't see how this will stop the piracy that destroyed the PSP.

 

[Amagon]

Just fucking great, I'm re-canceling my preorder-preorder before I even preorder. Why don't you want my money Sony?

 

[neptunes]

This is stupid for Sony.

What do they hope to gain? Pleasing publishers some how? Hope to sell more Vitas?

This is the reason for most DRM

 

[LiquidSolid]

Explain, please. Did you buy games on different accounts or something?

I've mentioned this example plenty of times before but Ys VII was never released on the Australian and New Zealand PS Stores. If I ever want to play it (or one of the other XSEED games), I need to import a PSN card from somewhere else and buy them on another store. So this "feature" prevents me from playing them altogether.

Currently for my PSP I buy all of my content via my PC and then transfer it. I don't have any of my account settings in the PSP itself, it's only on my PC, that's the way I want to keep it with the Vita. I don't care to have any personal info on a device that can easily be stolen.

That's not how it works.

 

[larvi]

1. How do you buy PSN stuff on PC?
2. without attaching it to an account?

Sony Media Go and I do log onto my account on the PC to access my PSN content but as I've never configured any of my PSPs with that account info, and I have a 1000, 2000 and Go

 

[odhiex]

So many confusing news regarding this, recently ... b-(

Maybe I should wait a little longer...

 

[LiK]

https://twitter.com/#!/yosp/status/147475230418411520

 

[ShockingAlberto]

This is stupid for Sony.

What do they hope to gain? Pleasing publishers some how? Hope to sell more Vitas?

Publishers like-a the DRM, including region-locking.

 

[Deadstar]

So many confusing news regarding this, recently ... b-(

Maybe I should wait a little longer...

I assure you...you'll get the karkland.

 

[Synless]

You know, it's one thing for something to not be an issue for you in particular, but it's another thing entirely to insinuate that it must not be a big deal for anybody else. Monolingual Americans have no reason to be upset by this news necessarily, but there are plenty of other people in the world that this affects.

You can still play games outside of your region, you just can't buy shit like DLC.

 

[demosthenes]

Publishers like-a the DRM, including region-locking.

I wish someone would do a study on how having region locking hurts. Certainly there are not enough people out there to import a game that will eventually hit NA/EU to drastically hurt sales in NA/EU to even make a dent. I just can't believe it. And if it's not that, why region lock?

 

[Amagon]

https://twitter.com/#!/yosp/status/147475230418411520

I'm canceling my preorder again!

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

Sony Media Go and I do log onto my account on the PC to access my PSN content but as I've never configured any of my PSPs with that account info, and I have a 1000, 2000 and Go

Is this new? Also, no OSX support wtf.

 

[RoboGeorgeForeman]

Meh... I guess I'm gonna wait out on these handhelds until there's either a way to circumvent this and the region protection on the 3DS (

Spoiler

also 3DS revision

) or they become cheap enough to justify buing two of each.

There's still a ton of DS/PSP games I haven't played yet anyway.

 

[Aeana]

You can still play games outside of your region, you just can't buy shit like DLC.

I also can't buy digital versions of Vita games from outside of my region, which as stated in the post you quoted, is very important to me.
I was willing to put up with resetting the Vita to switch regions if necessary, but I will not do anything that deletes all of my damn save data like the first post seems to suggest.

 

[Chuck Norris]

This is fine. I don't expect to be able to find my contacts, use my games and apps etc. when I use a friends phone

I think the scenario where I use someone elses Vita is about 1 in a million

 

[demosthenes]

I'm not really sure about this. Games in Europe are pretty damn expensive, if you could just order them from America I'm sure plenty of people would do that. I think one might even make the claim that this would affect the group that buys the most games, the (informed) "coregamer".

I think this might hurt retail more than some people like to think. There's so many crazy deals e.g. from American retailers (MUCH better deals than e.g. German retailers offer) that it would be foolish to miss out on them.

I can still buy a game and ship it to you.

And you can still buy games in America for Vita. You just can't get DLC for them or have them updated. The game cards are region free but PSN isn't. It's so freaking stupid.

I just can't believe that, THAT many people would import it.

 

[DangerousDave]

I also can't buy digital versions of Vita games from outside of my region, which as stated in the post you quoted, is very important to me.
I was willing to put up with resetting the Vita to switch regions if necessary, but I will not do anything that deletes all of my damn save data like the first post seems to suggest.

The first post suggest otherwise.

If Vita is attached to a PSN account and the cards are attached also to PSN accounts, as Yoshida say, is a matter of having 2 different cards, one for each account, and factory reset the Vita (without any memory card in, to lose only the info stored on Vita, not on the card). Then, attach the Vita to the account of the memory card that you want to use, and it should work.

The problem should be if memory card was not attached to PSN account, and was attached to some kind of "Vita instance". Then, factory reset of Vita would make unreadable any memory created previously to the factory reset.

Info is still not clear enough. But this should explain the confusion about the one-memory card-for-each-account stuff.

 

[cartman414]

Are the non-issue people and the ones complaining about the complainers just ignorant, or too lazy to read this thread?

Pretty common to the internet, unfortunately.

 

[ihearthawthats]

you're not a real gamer if you don't have multiple PSN accounts

oooh, i wanna play this game too. you're not a real gamer if you don't have multiple graphics cards in your high-end gaming pc. amidoinitrite?

This is really to disable game sharing. If you are allowed to have accounts in different regions, you can sure have accounts in the same region. How do they fix it? No 2nd account. Expect this on PS4 as well.

No, it's not. The way the PS Store DRM works, it checks how many activations a particular piece of content has received. Right now the max is set to 2 I believe, if Sony moved it down to 1 that would effectively disable game sharing on PS3 as well.

In other words, Sony could let you create as many PSN accounts as you'd like and still disable game sharing. I can't figure out the reasoning behind this, but it has nothing to do with game sharing.

yes, it is; and so is your example as well. there are multiple methods to handle gamesharing, but which one is the best?

1) 1-time download for psn games.
2) 1 psn account per vita.
3) unlimited downloads and unlimited accounts per vita, however you must be signed on the account that purchased the psn game in order to play it.

obviously #3 won't work for a handheld console, unless it offered free 3g.