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[D3VI0US]

It has TV out. Jobs demoed it.

Oh, I didn't think they would with video at only half standard def resolution. What video formats does it support and or how do I take video from my PC and get it on my ipod? Hopefully easier than pulling teeth but I wonder about playback with a lot of my files.

Still neato either way, maybe it's time to pawn my 3rd gen 20 gig on my sister, she's got a bday coming up anyways. A 60 gig black ipod video is almost too tempting. Anyone wanna ballpark the eta on a widescreen fancypants ipod video if this takes off? A year maybe? Longer?

 

[soundwave05]

I think a 16:9 widescreen i-Pod could be availble by next summer.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Anyone wanna ballpark the eta on a widescreen fancypants ipod video if this takes off? A year maybe? Longer?

I'd be shocked if it took a year. Spring/Summer 06. I think Apple is building content provider relations right now in anticiaption of just such a device.

 

[Stinkles]

Here's the thing. Apple announced, released and supported its device in a single day. You can go online right now and buy video content. PSP owners still have to fuck around for three hours to get anything running on their system. Sony nbeeds to get off its arse and make an Apple Music Store that isn't a clusterfuck.


I would happily pay a three or four dollar "rental" for quick donwload of a time-DRMd movie.

 

[mckmas8808]

Here's the thing. Apple announced, released and supported its device in a single day. You can go online right now and buy video content. PSP owners still have to fuck around for three hours to get anything running on their system. Sony nbeeds to get off its arse and make an Apple Music Store that isn't a clusterfuck.

I love my PSP but I do agree with this statement. Why the hell don't I still understand PSP and live streaming with the new 2.5 download? Looks like the PSP has one upped Apple in ONE FREAKING DAY. Yet they still can't communicate that to the consumers like Apple can.

 

[Ghost]

Id pay £££££££££'s for a similar service for PSP (videos in the right format naturally) with American TV on it.



and thats despite the fact i can get it all for free from BT.



The UK version of the Ipod service is looking pretty fucking lame right now.

 

[RevenantKioku]

Here's the thing. Apple announced, released and supported its device in a single day. You can go online right now and buy video content. PSP owners still have to fuck around for three hours to get anything running on their system.

Actually, here is the pure retarded point: I'm gonna go plug my PSP into my computer OH WAIT SONY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE WIRE!

 

[Stinkles]

I sort of have things working with my Tivo to go, but it takes so long to get a show from my tivo to my pc to my psps that it's hardly worthwhile

 

[snatches]

I have seriously started to hate my PSP. No good games. That thing is like a fucking brick in your pocket. Terrible form factor. It is truly the first portable game system that isn't really portable. DS and iPod for the win. If you had asked me this question in Feb/Mar and the height of PSP mania I would have told you you were crazy. The iPod FITS IN MY POCKET FOR TEH WIN.

 

[mckmas8808]

I have seriously started to hate my PSP. No good games. That thing is like a fucking brick in your pocket. Terrible form factor. It is truly the first portable game system that isn't really portable. DS and iPod for the win. If you had asked me this question in Feb/Mar and the height of PSP mania I would have told you you were crazy. The iPod FITS IN MY POCKET FOR TEH WIN.

Stupid comment of the day. Great job snatches.

 

[dorio]

I don't see either the psp or the ipod video as that useful unless you travel alot. My gameboy is collecting dust now. I don't see much point in playing games or listening to music on those tiny things unless you travel or exercise alot.

 

[Mihail]

I don't see either the psp or the ipod video as that useful unless you travel alot. My gameboy is collecting dust now. I don't see much point in playing games or listening to music on those tiny things unless you travel or exercise alot.

Exactly -- I mean, why do people buy rocking chairs? I don't like rocking.

 

[masud]

This thread needs PlayStation vs iPod sales numbers. Which is the stronger brand?

Personally, I have a preference for the Sony PSP, because of the screen, games, UMD, emulation, and memory stick functions. But I'll stick with my iPod shuffle for my portable music needs.

Compared to an iPod what are memory stick functions? Being small and expensive? You know what we need? A fucking iBoy!

iBoy for the win!

 

[Dsal]

Here's the thing. Apple announced, released and supported its device in a single day. You can go online right now and buy video content. PSP owners still have to fuck around for three hours to get anything running on their system. Sony nbeeds to get off its arse and make an Apple Music Store that isn't a clusterfuck.

Yeah this is the key. Apple has this store you can go to immediately and get content for it. Sony has had several months and hasn't really done much of anything for content supply.

Joe Blow doesn't want to mess around with conversion programs trying to get an episode of Lost on the PSP, and he'd be willing to pay a buck or two to not have to bother with it. Sony should've already had services in place for him, but they don't. Apple does.

 

[dorio]

Exactly -- I mean, why do people buy rocking chairs? I don't like rocking.

No, the point is why buy something to do something I can do better without it unless, of course, you spend alot of time where don't have access to the better ways of doing things.

But hey it's all personal opinions like everything else being stated on this board.

 

[cvxfreak]

The video iPod will easily overtake the PSP in the coming year. Remember, the color/photo iPod is gone, and the only full-sized iPod you can get is the video one.

 

[kaching]

Here's the thing. Apple announced, released and supported its device in a single day. You can go online right now and buy video content. PSP owners still have to fuck around for three hours to get anything running on their system. Sony nbeeds to get off its arse and make an Apple Music Store that isn't a clusterfuck.

Different devices, different methods of content delivery and different content focus. Both companies released and supported their devices in a single day. Both companies will expand support over time. The insinuation that they should both tackle content delivery in the same way and in the same order is completely arbitrary on your part and in no way indicative of failure on either side.

 

[Stinkles]

Different devices, different methods of content delivery and different content focus. Both companies released and supported their devices in a single day. Both companies will expand support over time. The insinuation that they should both tackle content delivery in the same way and in the same order is completely arbitrary on your part and in no way indicative of failure on either side.

It's far from arbitrary. Sony runs a distant WTF-ever to Apple in content management, delivery and yes, portable music audio HARDWARE sales. Simply saying the two devices are different does not absolve Sony of its shitty content delivery. It is shitty, and Sony shareholders know it's shitty.

It is EXACTLY indiciative of Sony's inability to deliver its own fucking media to its own fucking devices.

 

[mckmas8808]

It is EXACTLY indiciative of Sony's inability to deliver its own fucking media to its own fucking devices.

They have done quite well with UMD media though.

 

[Ceb]

The video iPod will easily overtake the PSP in the coming year. Remember, the color/photo iPod is gone, and the only full-sized iPod you can get is the video one.

Well, I guess that about wraps it up for the PSP.

...

 

[mckmas8808]

Well, I guess that about wraps it up for the PSP.

...

Yeah I know right. Now that the PSP can use Locationfree they are really teh doom3d!!11
There's no way the PSP with the ability to play MP3s, play UMDs, get on the internet, and watch TV streamed live in real-time from your cable, satellite, DVD, VCR, or DVR on a 4.3" 16:9 widescreen can compete with a 2.6" 4:3 ipod.

 

[Stinkles]

Yeah I know right. Now that the PSP can use Locationfree they are really teh doom3d!!11

Oh it can? I'll go do that now then....

 

[borghe]

PSP is significantly better at playing video than the new ipod. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. Just like there are many daps out there better at playing audio than the ipod. Where the ipod kills the PSP is the same place the ipod kills those other daps.

a) ease of use
b) content delivery
c) integration with content delivery software and portable player

you guys can talk about the bigger wider screen on the PSP all day long, but at the end of the day joe six pack can go out there and put an episode of lost from this season on his ipod with absolutely no difficulty whatsoever. How difficult is it for him to do it on the PSP? He probably couldn't even do it on the PSP.

The PSP could be 1000x more powerful than the ipod at playing video, but if apple keeps pulling ahead of sony in getting a content delivery system going, PSP will eventually become ineffectual as a media player against the ipod outside of the dedicated userbase.

and don't for a second think that Sony doesn't care about apple's little show yesterday. Every episode of Lost and Housewives that sells on itunes is an episode of a The Shield or Seinfeld that Sony could have sold online (and as others have pointed out at a much better profit than selling it on DVD).

 

[Timbuktu]

The video iPod will easily overtake the PSP in the coming year. Remember, the color/photo iPod is gone, and the only full-sized iPod you can get is the video one.

It is still simply the iPod. It will sell more because it is an iPod first and foremost and not because it plays video. Portable video isn't massmarket yet and Apple knows it, that is why they're selling video as an extra feature. Timing is everything, neither the PSP or this iteration of iPod can dominate a market that isn't there yet. When the time comes though, I think Apple is better placed than Sony to deliver a complete solution. Sony doesn't have the level of software capability or interface design that Apple has. Their UMD format is also less flexible and adaptable compared with Apple's model. Apple makes money selling iPods, Sony doesn't with the PSP, so I can't see Sony doing the same as Apple going even further into red than they do now.

 

[soundwave05]

In a year's time, I predict Apple will absolutely dominate the market for those who want a portable video playing device.

I believe the market for video will be quite large as well.

 

[borghe]

When the time comes though, I think Apple is better placed than Sony to deliver a complete solution.

quoted for effect.

exactly. neither company is "in the lead" right now, but Apple is in a much better position than Sony, much how MS was in a better position than Sony in regards to taking their consoles online even though neither was in the lead in 2001.

Unless Sony comes up with an online delivery method that is convenient and easy to use soon, they will have difficulty against apple when they release the 2G ipod video. the more studios apple signs, the further that lead will grow. and to those who mention UMDs, I guarantee you online delivery will overtake UMD sales in a VERY short amount of time. Hell, I bet by the end of the month more episodes of Lost will have been purchased on itunes than copies of the UMDs.

 

[mrklaw]

the PSP 2.5 software supports DRM content on the memory stick. Surely a Sony download service can't be far away?

I'm getting pretty excited by all this stuff. Eventually you'll be able to download/stream movies/TV shows on demand for a small cost. Plus you'll be able to wirelessly access your content from home.

Some have said on here that UMD - a physical item - is behind the times, and will be replaced with digital. Well maybe. And maybe apple's digital distribution method relies too much on the host PC. I can see it getting superceded by connected devices. If you have wifi in your device then you don't need to use your PC to sync. Just sync with home whenever you're in a wifi hotspot.

I think thats one area that Apple are behind on - wireless access. Look at the slingbox, or orb.com. Thats what Sony are trying to do with Location Free TV. not quite there yet but a good stab. Lets hope the proper video ipod comes with wifi.

 

[Mashing]

Why doesn't Apple just merge their iPod brand with Gameboy? That'd be a juggernaught of epic proportions. From a business perspective it makes a lot of sense. If they want to take on Sony I really can't think of any better way.

2 of the most popular brands in entertainment
2 companies with similar design princples and business practices

iPod that playes movies and games. That'd would make Sony worry, even if they didn't want to admit it.

Apply and Nintendo are like bread and butter, they just compliment each other so well.

 

[Lord Error]

Simply saying the two devices are different does not absolve Sony of its shitty content delivery. It is shitty, and Sony shareholders know it's shitty.

It is EXACTLY indiciative of Sony's inability to deliver its own fucking media to its own fucking devices.

I think you missed his point. The content delivery on PSP has been centered around UMD, games and movies, and I think they did much better job with movies in particular than anyone expected. Being HDD-less, PSP wouldn't benefit much from an elaborate online content delivery system.

 

[borghe]

I think they did much better job with movies in particular than anyone expected.

i'll give them credit on this. I really didn't expect UMD to go anywhere, but really it is shallow credit. It's like congradulating DAT for not failing. UMD was on the verge of being old even before it came out. You have a system that is wireless, can be upgraded wirelessly, can play wireless games, can surf the web, yet the only way to deliver media to it is through a prerecorded disc.

Sony adding DRM playing from the memory stick is a great step in the right direction, but they now have to come out with a killer content delivery system. one which lets you buy and view the videos/music right from the PSP, or one that lets you buy it from the computer and seemlessly transfer it to your PSP (and no Windows Explorer is not seemlessly). And while doing that sign studios other than Sony Pictures for content.

 

[Lord Error]

yet the only way to deliver media to it is through a prerecorded disc.

It's not the only way, but it's the way the Joe Blow will be using anyways. Based on a DVD/Game delivery model, that type of delivery is a must for a device to be accepted among less tech savvy crowd. Sure, they could have made a very expensive PSP with a HDD, and no UMD drive, and deliver all the games and movies over the internet, but they would be really limiting their market that way. Download something 1+GB big every time they want to play or watch is not feasable for most people. The basic nature of the system (gaming device) dictated the disc based system. As it is, anyone who is tech savvy can easily put stuff on memory stick anyways and watch it from there. Not a bad dea, IMO.

 

[cvxfreak]

It is still simply the iPod. It will sell more because it is an iPod first and foremost and not because it plays video.

Exactly. Apple's solution here is to sell people the functionality even if they don't exactly need or want it. Because iPod is more popular than PSP, the studios will see the numbers for the video-enabled iPod and PSP and perhaps ultimately go with both formats. If Apple goes with variable pricing for full-length movies (say, $9.99) then it will probably be a huge success since there will be no manufacturing or distribution costs, and Apple doesn't seem interested in making a profit off of iTunes as a whole. Pricing and convenience are something iTunes has over the UMD format. I'm also not worried about Apple gaining a foothold in movie disitribution as they've been very successful on the movie front.

 

[kaching]

It's far from arbitrary. Sony runs a distant WTF-ever to Apple in content management, delivery and yes, portable music audio HARDWARE sales. Simply saying the two devices are different does not absolve Sony of its shitty content delivery. It is shitty, and Sony shareholders know it's shitty.

It is EXACTLY indiciative of Sony's inability to deliver its own fucking media to its own fucking devices.

How is games and movies on UMD not delivering "its own fucking media to its own fucking devices"? What's arbitrary here is that you and others keep acting like downloads are the only form of video content delivery, stacking the argument. No one's trying to absolve Sony of anything here, but you certainly are you doing your damndest to associate every past failing of different Sony groups on the subject of content delivery - as you see it - with the PSP, even though SCE themselves went out of their way not to associate the PSP with those initiatives too closely at this point.

The fact that you can upload video content to an MSDuo and play it on the PSP is a secondary focus, not marketed or intended as the primary content delivery mechanism at this time. You can argue the pros and cons of digital download vs. prepackaged media for content delivery if you like but saying things like Sony didn't release and support the PSP in a single day and can't deliver its own media to its own devices is just sloppy rhetoric.

 

[mckmas8808]

Pricing and convenience are something iTunes has over the UMD format. I'm also not worried about Apple gaining a foothold in movie disitribution as they've been very successful on the movie front.

Pricing yes convenience no. It's more convenient for me to pop in a UMD than order a full feature movie and try to fit it on my HDD for space. Physical media has proven itself for movies, digital hasn't. You can bet that if/when UMD prices fall they will always dominate what the ipod could do digitally.

 

[mckmas8808]

Sony adding DRM playing from the memory stick is a great step in the right direction, but they now have to come out with a killer content delivery system. one which lets you buy and view the videos/music right from the PSP, or one that lets you buy it from the computer and seemlessly transfer it to your PSP (and no Windows Explorer is not seemlessly). And while doing that sign studios other than Sony Pictures for content.

I think you are seeing the light now. And you're right they have to have a killer delivery system. Sony needs to prove themselves here the most. And Sony shouldn't have a problem signing studios. (i.e. look at UMD and Blu-ray for info on this)

 

[snatches]

Pricing yes convenience no. It's more convenient for me to pop in a UMD than order a full feature movie and try to fit it on my HDD for space. Physical media has proven itself for movies, digital hasn't. You can bet that if/when UMD prices fall they will always dominate what the ipod could do digitally.

Hey mckmas, thanks for the stupid post of the day comment above. I see you have been improving upon it since my post. Yes, it is more convenient to go to the store, find the movie you wan't on UMD, open the case and play it in one single device ONLY. That sounds much more convenient than: Sits at computer-"click" watches movie. Then decides to take it with him....or not.

You sir, are an asshat.

And in addition to your previous attack, what is so stupid about saying a PSP won't fit in my pocket? I guess it doesn't matter to you because you just stuff yours in your Hello Kitty backpack with that apple you packed for your sixth grade teacher.

KTHXBYE

 

[BuddyC]

Settle down you two.

 

[borghe]

I think you are seeing the light now. And you're right they have to have a killer delivery system. Sony needs to prove themselves here the most. And Sony shouldn't have a problem signing studios. (i.e. look at UMD and Blu-ray for info on this)

UMD and BRD are entirely different than digital delivery. The studios provide the content in those instances and sony handles manufacturing for a modest cost for goods and licensing. With digital delivery Sony will expect a bigger share. And the companies at this point will have to give up money for licensing, bandwidth, storage, etc. To top it off, if they connected with sony, assuming the delivery system wouldn't be proprietary to the PSP (meaning only playable on the PSP) they will have to believe that signing with Sony will be in competition with any plans they have in the future. The UMD is harmless because it isn't in competition with any of the other studios' interests. But delivery of said content digitally is DEFINITELY in potential competition with their interests.

I don't think it is as easy as some of you are making it out to be. iTunes, DVD, and BRD are a different story. They put all of the studios/labels on even ground. But Warner essentially paying Sony to sell Sopranos episodes online.. I guess I just don't see it as simple as that. Only time will tell but I honestly believe for the PSP to be successful with online content delivery Sony will have to delegate that entire system to a third party company. I don't believe Sony will be able to setup an online system WITH OTHER STUDIOS ON BOARD that will support the PSP.

Pricing yes convenience no. It's more convenient for me to pop in a UMD than order a full feature movie and try to fit it on my HDD for space. Physical media has proven itself for movies, digital hasn't. You can bet that if/when UMD prices fall they will always dominate what the ipod could do digitally.

music sales on itunes pretty much just invalidated every word of this. sorry. it will be interesting to hear how long it takes for itunes to sell a million videos. I bet you will hear it within a few days (or at least in a short amount of time that it only took a few days). I am also willing to bet that video sales on itunes will outpace UMD sales within the next 4-6 months. and this isn't even taking into account the fact that other studios will eventually be signed. heck, all Apple has to do is sign Universal (one of the less obnoxious music partners) and get some Sci-Fi Channel shows and NBC primetime on itunes and you could see video sales outpace UMD sales in less than a month.

 

[pixelbox]

i really love sony, but its over for the psp. im so damn mad that i bought it only for it to become a gamegear! sigh...

 

[DarienA]

i really love sony, but its over for the psp. im so damn mad that i bought it only for it to become a gamegear! sigh...

Incredibly enlightening.

music sales on itunes pretty much just invalidated every word of this. sorry. it will be interesting to hear how long it takes for itunes to sell a million videos. I bet you will hear it within a few days (or at least in a short amount of time that it only took a few days). I am also willing to bet that video sales on itunes will outpace UMD sales within the next 4-6 months. and this isn't even taking into account the fact that other studios will eventually be signed. heck, all Apple has to do is sign Universal (one of the less obnoxious music partners) and get some Sci-Fi Channel shows and NBC primetime on itunes and you could see video sales outpace UMD sales in less than a month.

Well that gets a big DUH considered the costs involved vs. what's being provided... how much does a music video cost? How much does one episode of a show cost? Hell you'll probably see those outpacing the sales of some DVD movies... that certainly doesn't mean much of anything.

You're still going to have folks who buy the full season of shows... you're still going to have folks buying DVD movies and UMD movies... I simply don't see the crossover in terms of sales.

 

[bishoptl]

Who cares? You don't buy a PSP for playing games anyway.

I see what you did there.

 

[Timbuktu]

Why doesn't Apple just merge their iPod brand with Gameboy? That'd be a juggernaught of epic proportions. From a business perspective it makes a lot of sense. If they want to take on Sony I really can't think of any better way.

2 of the most popular brands in entertainment
2 companies with similar design princples and business practices

iPod that playes movies and games. That'd would make Sony worry, even if they didn't want to admit it.

Apply and Nintendo are like bread and butter, they just compliment each other so well.

No. It doesn't make sense at all. Even if they are competing against PSP to on different fronts to an extent, they're both doing well and could both come out on top that way things are going. And their design principles are completely different, even if Revolution seems to take a page out of Apple's book. The problem for Sony, however, if Apple and Nintendo come out with a proper video iPod and the next-iteration DS, both optimised for their specific functions, would PSP be able to compete against both at the same time?

 

[borghe]

Well that gets a big DUH considered the costs involved vs. what's being provided... how much does a music video cost? How much does one episode of a show cost? Hell you'll probably see those outpacing the sales of some DVD movies... that certainly doesn't mean much of anything.

I wasn't referring to quantity sold but dollars sold. If UMD sales are $20M and online video sales are $40M, that is cause to wake up and look at what's going on.

You're still going to have folks who buy the full season of shows... you're still going to have folks buying DVD movies and UMD movies... I simply don't see the crossover in terms of sales.

DVD I agree entirely. I don't see downloads replacing DVDs anytime soon (Especially 320x240 downloads). UMDs are different though. This is already a supplemental format to DVDs (i.e. I can't think of anyone who is buying UMDs only). So how many times are you going to supplement that DVD purchase? Are you doing to buy Lost on DVD, UMD, and iPod? Of course not. It all comes back to convergence, or more imp[ortantly who converges best and gives the best content and delivery method. Right now UMD has the best content and iTunes has the best delivery format. Whoever fills in that other piece of the puzzle will have a great headstart. Neither compete with DVD, but you can't argue that UMD and downloadable content aren't in direct competition with each other as supplemental or secondary video formats

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Lets take the PSP out of the equation for a moment. Sony does have it's own line of digital music players that acutally (*gasp*) complete directly with the iPod. Now, Apple created iTunes and the iTunes Music Store to deliver content to their device. Sony created Sony Connect. Which one did the better job? Now, if you had to place your own hard earned money on which one of these two companies is actually going to get a good video content system up and running, and make it viable, who would you go with?

Now, why doesn't Sony Connect at least work with the PSP already? Why doesn't it work wirelessly with the PSP? Sony isn't leveraging it's own properties to help it's own devices very well at all, something help is quite good at, and it's causing them to play catch-up. If they can't do it with Audio, what makes anyone think they can do it with video?

By the way, I've used my PSP to wirelessly download some podcasts, and it was very cool. it really showed the potential of the PSP as an all around media playing machine. We need better, and more options, for doing that.

 

[borghe]

this has basically been my point. It seems many people think the fight between Sony and Apple (if there was one) exists between their hardware products. This isn't the case. Their hardware products are just a delivery for their service and content. Much like the fight doesn't exist between XBox and PS2 hardware but the games on each platform.

For the PSP to be an ipod killer, Sony has to have the software/service advantage over Apple. Right now they don't, and if yesterday is any indication, Apple's lead is only growing. Like I already said, hell yeah the PSP is better for watching movies and shows. So is the creative Zen and Archos and iAudio X5 (I think that's it). But the fact that I can buy a show for $2 off of itunes HEAVILY weighs against those devices' advantages, the same way the UMD selection right now weighs against the iPod's/iTMS' advantages. It is the service backing these products that matters, just like it's the games that matter for consoles.

and as KFJ said, right now my money is on apple for the better service in the near future. shows and movies might look better on the PSP, but I have a feeling that in the very near future you will have a much better selection of them on the iPod.

 

[Xellotah]

Lets take the PSP out of the equation for a moment. Sony does have it's own line of digital music players that acutally (*gasp*) complete directly with the iPod. Now, Apple created iTunes and the iTunes Music Store to deliver content to their device. Sony created Sony Connect. Which one did the better job? Now, if you had to place your own hard earned money on which one of these two companies is actually going to get a good video content system up and running, and make it viable, who would you go with?

Now, why doesn't Sony Connect at least work with the PSP already? Why doesn't it work wirelessly with the PSP? Sony isn't leveraging it's own properties to help it's own devices very well at all, something help is quite good at, and it's causing them to play catch-up. If they can't do it with Audio, what makes anyone think they can do it with video?

Thats because as a large company, Sony hasn't yet managed to co-ordinate properly its electronics, computer entertainment and to a lesser extent its Film and music departments.

Apple on the hand have been very focused at integrating ITunes, Ipod to deliver a full content delivery service.

 

[Deg]

At $2 I question the quality. A UMD movie takes alot of space and the quality is very high. If download services are any indication they will cut some corners in quality. Laso PSP is lacking any online services for downloading trabsfer of media.

 

[ram]

Still.. Ipod cant play games.

and is like two times the money, the psp costs in europe.

 

[cvxfreak]

Pricing yes convenience no. It's more convenient for me to pop in a UMD than order a full feature movie and try to fit it on my HDD for space. Physical media has proven itself for movies, digital hasn't. You can bet that if/when UMD prices fall they will always dominate what the ipod could do digitally.

Well, I meant convenience as in you just get on your computer, click the button, and bam, finish the download and watch. If many people are willing to torrent movies to put on PSP, I'm sure many more people are willing to legally download movies and put them on their iPod. Or watch on their computers, even. UMDs have to be bought at the store or ordered online, and will probably be more expensive.

 

[inpHilltr8r]

DS is clearly the "legal" handheld of choice.

DS is the handheld your mum would approve of. (Until she see's that "where babies come from" game...

...

So I downloaded an episode of Lost last night, and while it may be perfect for viewing on an iPod, it looks horrible on a telly. Low res, and highly compressed, you can basically kiss goodbye to any background detail, and say hello to ugly swimming patches. File was about 130mb IIRC.