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They didn't stop that practice last year, they just stopped listening in all the time. They still do the above, as stated.
Is party chat not "a user sends to another user", nor a "voice message"?

Are Xbox parties recorded? Gamers confused as to whether Microsoft is spying on them

Many gamers will remember the days of Xbox 360 in-game audio and the insane volume of explicit language used, but does Xbox record those parties?

www.hitc.com

"No, Xbox parties are not recorded but Xbox can listen to party audio files if there are multiple corresponding reports of terms of service breaches."

No, Xbox parties are not recorded.

 

[Handy Fake]

No, Xbox parties are not recorded.

How can they listen to the audio files then?
Unless you're still under the assumption that Sony is recording chat?

 

[Soodanim]

That's still not the same as Sony supposedly "listening in on voice chats". I can see how such a system can be abused by people no doubt. But that's not the same as Sony listening in on any random conversation. I just don't see how people managed twist what is actually going on out of context like that.

Super easy to twist it into misinformation when you have people who spend more time talking than listening, especially when what they're saying is "The commies are coming to get us".

Never mind the fact that they never tell you what this "Wrongthink" they talk about actually is, or why it's being discussed with someone who is sensitive or hostile enough to report them for it. I know that a number of people think ResetEra have infiltrated Sony and are out to get them, though.

Remember this: if you walk into a privately owned shopping centre and start shouting out that blacks and gays should be shot, you're not going to make any friends. If you trash talk your drinking buddies in a game of Monopoly, you're not going to have trouble.
(I feel it's necessary to point out to those who are about to reply to pick apart what to normal people is obvious hyperbole that the point is just like in real life you should know your audience.)

Have said all of that, it's a lot of fucking trouble when you can mute people you don't want to listen to. I think the world's forgotten that.

 

[Before We Fade]

How can they listen to the audio files then?
Unless you're still under the assumption that Sony is recording chat?

It's simple. Xbox does not record party or voice chats at all. They however listen to peer to peer send voice messages if the user who sends those voice messages gets reported often enough. A Xbox enforcer can listen to a voice message that are on the server If something in that voice message is said that violates the TOS then the Xbox enforcer team will take further action.

This is different to what PS allows now.

Where other users are able to record what is being said or talked about in voice chats/group chats and they can send those recordings outright to the PS moderation team. There is a difference when you have one person in a voice message or a recording of multiple persons in a conversation through voice chat/ group chat.

One is the whole message an individual sents to another user, the message will be checked by an enforcer if the user who sends the message is being reported by others for abusing the voice message function and sending vile messages. The other is part of a conversation recorded by a user and without the whole context or if there was clearly baiting involved which just isn't the same how much you'd try to spin it

 

[Handy Fake]

It's simple. Xbox does not record party or voice chats at all. They however listen to peer to peer send voice messages if the user who sends those voice messages gets reported often enough. A Xbox enforcer can listen to a voice message that are on the server If something in that voice message is said that violates the TOS then the Xbox enforcer team will take further action.

This is different to what PS allows now.

Where other users are able to record what is being said or talked about in voice chats/group chats and they can send those recordings outright to the PS moderation team. There is a difference when you have one person in a voice message or a recording of multiple persons in a conversation through voice chat/ group chat.

One is the whole message an individual sents to another user, the message will be checked by an enforcer if the user who sends the message is being reported by others for abusing the voice message function and sending vile messages. The other is part of a conversation recorded by a user and without the whole context or if there was clearly baiting involved which just isn't the same how much you'd try to spin it

 

[dwish]

As i have mentioned numerous times before ... xbox prevents party chat being streamed ( unless all parties specifically agree to it in the session).

How can it possibly? I can use a capture card, camera or whatever to stream. It is extremely easy to go around any kind of protection they attempt to put in.

 

[Fake]

'I don't see the problem'. 'Bruh just stop being toxic'.

I telling you what, gonna start recording toxic people over the NeoGaf and send to EviLore

 

[Fake]

"There won't be an option to opt-out of this Voice Chat recording function because we want all users to feel safe when playing with others online, not just those who choose to enable it."

So, how I gonna feel safe when someone else is recording?


Is like saying 'the police will not record your activity while you are on the street', but a stranger do it and send to the police anyway.

 

[geordiemp]

Republic World

"We occasionally review a low volume of voice recordings sent from one Xbox user to another when there are reports that a recording violated our terms of service and we need to investigate. This is done to keep the Xbox community safe and is clearly stated in our Xbox terms of service."

Microsoft do the same.....

 

[BoSkiiRed]

Republic World



Microsoft do the same.....

Those are peer to peer voice/text messages. Sony is doing recordings of the party chat system.
Two different sames

 

[Fake]

Microsoft do the same.....

And? If Microsoft start toask a new extra fee over their next gen games, should Sony follow? Or reselling emulated ports like Mario 64?

You guys...

 

[oagboghi2]

Never game online with the account you make purchases with...

Games are tied to accounts.

Funny how Xbox got roasted for this yet you have users in here defending it.

Xbox deserved to get roasted for kinect. Stop trying to defend MS bullshit at every oppurtunity

 

[Handy Fake]

Republic World



Microsoft do the same.....

Already tried chief. Apparently it's "completely different".

 

[oagboghi2]

Right... just as in the Soviet Union, it was reports by everyday citizens which were sent to the commissars etc. aka state apparatchiks who would "judge" wrong-thinkers based on the evidence supplied by denouncers (they obviously didn't have a KGB or NKVD agent hiding under every bed...). That's literally how police states work. So you guys who're hiding behind a "it's not Sony who're recording!" line of defense are conveniently ignoring the fact this is a new feature specifically designed by Sony to encourage snitching & reports sent to their moderation team who'll pass judgement. They're even boasting about the "safe" environment this will create! ("safe" i.e. a total dog whistle word for SJW's in 2020).

Maybe you're okay with that.

Are you serious? The Stasi. Stop embarassing yourself with these retarded comparisons.

This is how Sony moderation team has always worked. Reports from other users. Why are you acting as if this is some big new evil? It's literally restating the same rules they used since PSN has started.

 

[cormack12]

Who the fuck thinks microsoft or sony are keeping millions of gb of archived voice chats lmao

 

[ruvikx]

Are you serious? The Stasi. Stop embarassing yourself with these retarded comparisons.

This is how Sony moderation team has always worked. Reports from other users. Why are you acting as if this is some big new evil? It's literally restating the same rules they used since PSN has started.

Because they're wetting themselves salivating with promises of "safe" spaces for extremist IQ deficient cowardly assholes with itchy-trigger fingers just waiting to report anyone who makes them feel bad online.

This is 2020 dude, stop with the feigned ignorance.

 

[LeftThumbstick]

Republic World



Microsoft do the same.....

Already tried chief. Apparently it's "completely different".

"We occasionally review a low volume of voice recordings sent from one Xbox user to another when there are reports that a recording violated our terms of service and we need to investigate. This is done to keep the Xbox community safe and is clearly stated in our Xbox terms of service."

Instead of being disingenious, please learn to read before attempting to spread FUD. You do not send party chats to each other, you join a party chat and speak. What they are referring to is voice recorded messages. Of course, both of you know this but will be disingenous about it anyway.

 

[Handy Fake]

"We occasionally review a low volume of voice recordings sent from one Xbox user to another when there are reports that a recording violated our terms of service and we need to investigate. This is done to keep the Xbox community safe and is clearly stated in our Xbox terms of service."

Instead of being disingenious, please learn to read before attempting to spread FUD. You do not send party chats to each other, you join a party chat and speak. What they are referring to is voice recorded messages. Of course, both of you know this but will be disingenous about it anyway.

Okay. So private messages are okay to snoop on but public chat isn't..?

 

[oagboghi2]

Because they're wetting themselves salivating with promises of "safe" spaces for extremist IQ deficient cowardly assholes with itchy-trigger fingers just waiting to report anyone who makes them feel bad online.

This is 2020 dude, stop with the feigned ignorance.

You are making shit up in your head, and sound like a paranoid loon. No one has a "itchy finger" to ban you.

If you are so worried about being banned, don't invite SJW's to your party chat. Problem solved

The only ignorance I see here is coming from you.

 

[oagboghi2]

"We occasionally review a low volume of voice recordings sent from one Xbox user to another when there are reports that a recording violated our terms of service and we need to investigate. This is done to keep the Xbox community safe and is clearly stated in our Xbox terms of service."

Instead of being disingenious, please learn to read before attempting to spread FUD. You do not send party chats to each other, you join a party chat and speak. What they are referring to is voice recorded messages. Of course, both of you know this but will be disingenous about it anyway.

It's a distinction that doesn't mean anything.

So if I sent a DM to someone on xbox live and get banned, your cool with it.

But if I join a party, say stupid shit, someone on the other end records me and send it to MS, omg it's the Stasi?

What's the principle here?

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's a distinction that doesn't mean anything.

So if I sent a DM to someone on xbox live and get banned, your cool with it.

But if I join a party, say stupid shit, someone on the other end records me and send it to MS, omg it's the Stasi?

What's the principle here?

It's all mental gymnastics based on brand loyalty.

 

[Handy Fake]

It's all mental gymnastics based on brand loyalty.

WHy aye, of course.

For what it's worth, I have no issue with MS investigating private chat messages if there's reason to do so, nor do I have an issue with Sony having the ability to check and act on voice chat sent to them.
In all honesty I thought this was all in place anyway... Quite surprised it's such a big thing to certain people.

 

[ruvikx]

You are making shit up in your head, and sound like a paranoid loon. No one has a "itchy finger" to ban you.

If you are so worried about being banned, don't invite SJW's to your party chat. Problem solved

The only ignorance I see here is coming from you.

You're the one who sounds like a tone deaf loon tbh.

Obviously (no shit eh) this isn't how Sony's moderation has always worked because it's a literal new feature. They said so themselves, i.e. no one can opt out. Secondly to pretend cancel culture & all the tralalala SJW psychos aren't a problem or have itchy-fingers just waiting to send 40 second voice reports is quite ignorant in & of itself considering the entire premise of the policy is based on appealing to that particular crowd.

"Safe" online gameplay via the threat of 40 second audio denunciations. It's in ze freaking Sony article itself. But carry on.

 

[Kdad]

Games are tied to accounts.



Xbox deserved to get roasted for kinect. Stop trying to defend MS bullshit at every oppurtunity

You can purchase and download a game under one psn ID and play the game on the same machine with a different ID. They don't ban machines they ban ID so if something does happen you still have access to your purchases under the original ID.

 

[Lort]

Sony making sure understand exactly whats happening.

 

[sainraja]

Okay. So private messages are okay to snoop on but public chat isn't..?

Haha. That was the best way to point out his error!

Snooping is snooping!

You're the one who sounds like a tone deaf loon tbh.

Obviously (no shit eh) this isn't how Sony's moderation has always worked because it's a literal new feature. They said so themselves, i.e. no one can opt out. Secondly to pretend cancel culture & all the tralalala SJW psychos aren't a problem or have itchy-fingers just waiting to send 40 second voice reports is quite ignorant in & of itself considering the entire premise of the policy is based on appealing to that particular crowd.

"Safe" online gameplay via the threat of 40 second audio denunciations. It's in ze freaking Sony article itself. But carry on.

I think it is simply because the system is always recording 15 mins of video that a person can choose to save and that may also include party chat. On my computer you could join a zoom call and without anyone turning on recording I can record my screen + audio using other tools (I know not exactly the same thing but close enough since consoles are tighter systems.)

 

[Lort]

So much Sony salt here i think i need some more pretzels to go with it.

 

[sainraja]

So much Sony salt here i think i need some more pretzels to go with it.

When are you going to free yourself from that echo chamber?

 

[Lort]

When are you going to free yourself from that echo chamber?

Lol so far i have stated explicitly and correctly the situation right from the beginning ( i created a thread that got merged with this one).. and noone has corrected me and yet people are claiming to be hard done by and trying to say this isnt a change and its the same elsewhere.

Its amusing watching people try to defend their console to the end despite the truth. That's the fun part, watching others have a mental breakdown trying to say what is clearly true is somehow not. The longer people post misinformation and disparaging lies about others .. the longer ill be here correcting them and sensibly chuckling to myself.

Great respect for who are just like .. it is what it is and move on with their lives.

 

[sainraja]

Um, the distinction is one is about public chat vs one is about private messages between people. Both companies are able to listen to those recordings when those are sent in when someone reports it. If you don't like the practice at all, then regardless of what or how it is, it is the same thing. So try to step out of the us vs them mentality.

 

[EverydayBeast]

That's right

 

[Fake]

Lmao

 

[danstar]

Lmao

I believe this is more in response to the backlash towards the new party system, which is confusing and difficult to use for some, and not the voice recording. They addressed the voice recording in a blog post a couple days ago.

 

[Fake]

I believe this is more in response to the backlash towards the new party system, which is confusing and difficult to use for some, and not the voice recording. They addressed the voice recording in a blog post a couple days ago.

This is pretty much the overall change.