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Sony reveals synopsis for The Amazing Spider Man 2

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TheKaeptain said:
Gwen's death is considered the point where Peter stopped being a teenage superhero and grew the fuck up. Ben's death was the reason he put the suit on. Gwen is the reason he kept wearing it. He's still a teenager in these movies. Breaking promises is what teenagers do. They don't think about the repercussions.

I know you like to think you're above everyone but we were all asshole's when we were in our teens.
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I don't know about you, but I wasn't the sort of teen to immediately go shitting on the wishes of a man who died in my arms. And I wasn't even a superhero that people were supposed to root for.
 
Scullibundo said:
I don't know about you, but I wasn't the sort of teen to immediately go shitting on the wishes of a man who died in my arms. And I wasn't even a superhero that people were supposed to root for.
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To be fair,
it's not like he doesn't get punished for his hubris.
 
Scullibundo said:
I don't know about you, but I wasn't the sort of teen to immediately go shitting on the wishes of a man who died in my arms.
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The majority of the ending scenes were showing Peter in turmoil about it. I didn't get the impression at all that he's "shitting on" his wishes. Gwen herself even knew about the promise as she blatantly said it, but seemed to still want to be with him and despite him trying and even telling her that he can't do it, they both still give in to their very basic human instincts.

I don't get the problem. If he died and Peter was like yeah okay I promise and they're fucking in the next scene, that'd be different, but it didn't happen that way. I thought it was handled fine, Garfield's acting was solid and relayed the torment he's going through, but in the end they're both just young people in love. I don't see how that makes him an unlikable twat.
 
randomrosso said:
I miss Tobey.
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"Critical and box-office succes" really? I thought there was some form of consensus that it was a quickly put in production hipster wannabe movie that underperformed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Scullibundo said:
So you agree that Spider-Man is a cunt in these movies, but think he'll stop being a cunt once he gets Gwen killed? Does that mean we need to wait till ASM3 till he becomes a likeable hero?
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Teenagers are selfish cunts don't see what's the big deal is, if you want a boyscout hero wait for Shitder's Superman
 
I don't get the hate. Even though it was a fairly standard film, it still dominated the piece of shit Raimi's trilogy.
 
Scullibundo said:
Point is that the hero of these stories shouldn't be an unlikeable twat for two films before we can start to root for him.

Raimi's film handled it in the first half hour.
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I didn't like ASM at all, but come on. He's not an "unlikeable twat," he's a flawed hero, which is the foundation of Spider-Man's character. Peter screws up and pays for his mistakes and tries to become better for it. That's the character's constant arc, and always has been.

He's 16 and this chick who looks exactly like Emma Stone is one of the only people on the planet who doesn't think he's a loser and a freak. If he didn't break his promise it would be the most unrealistic depiction of a male teenager ever put to film. And we all know how it ends as a result, so it's not like there's no narrative motivation here. Captain Stacy's request is just another brick in the "great responsibility" wall, and if Peter just goes ahead and succeeds at resisting temptation we have no damn movie.
 
?oe?oe said:
I don't get the hate. Even though it was a fairly standard film, it still dominated the piece of shit Raimi's trilogy.
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The third film, yeah, but the first two, for me, were a lot more enjoyable.

I still liked ASM, and I'm looking forward with the sequel now that we're beyond the origin story (again).
 
They should have saved him breaking the promise for the next movie. As it is, we have him making Captain Stacy a promise on the man's deathbed, then breaking that promise a few scenes later. I'm not asking that Peter be a perfect person, but that was a particularly horrible move that hurt the ending for me.

If they had given it some time to breathe, maybe weaved it into the plot of the next film, I'd have felt better about it.
 
ReiGun said:
They should have saved him breaking the promise for the next movie. As it is, we have him making Captain Stacy a promise on the man's deathbed, then breaking that promise a few scenes later. I'm not asking that Peter be a perfect person, but that was a particularly horrible move that hurt the ending for me.
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Watch the ending scenes again. It wasn't exactly made easy for him, and Gwen was egging it on too.
 
Between this and Star Trek Into Darkness' "detonate the fleet" I'm beginning to think that no-one in Hollywood knows how to write a synopsis that is either a) coherent or b) in any way compelling.
 
KingofGourds said:
Between this and Star Trek Into Darkness' "detonate the fleet" I'm beginning to think that no-one in Hollywood knows how to write a synopsis that is either a) coherent or b) in any way compelling.
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To be honest, how many people really read the synopsis? I don't at all. I just watch a trailer.
 
Looking forward to this. The first was almost as good as Spider-Man 2, despite what some people say. I thought it captured the tone of Spider-Man much better than the original trilogy. It helps that Andrew Garfield is everything Tobey Maguire isn't.
 
brandonh83 said:
Watch the ending scenes again. It wasn't exactly made easy for him, and Gwen was egging it on too.
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I remember. He was real torn up about it...for a few days. Then, Aunt May gives him a peep talk and he's all "Lol whatever. Imma smash that chick." Well, okay, that wasn't exactly his tone, but still. It all felt too quick for me. Like they just absolutely needed the movie to end with him getting the girl.

-Pyromaniac- said:
The first 2 objectively destroy the new spiderman.
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I have to agree. I could maybe accept ASM being equal to 1, but better than 2? Nope.
 
ReiGun said:
They should have saved him breaking the promise for the next movie. As it is, we have him making Captain Stacy a promise on the man's deathbed, then breaking that promise a few scenes later. I'm not asking that Peter be a perfect person, but that was a particularly horrible move that hurt the ending for me.
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Exactly.

The last thing the hero does at the end of the movie is be a total dick. And then the movie has the balls to make the last shot of him swinging around seem heroic.

It's so tonally confused I don't know how to react.
 
Scullibundo said:
It's the same writers for both films, bro.
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Indeed I had forgotten that. Though I'm not sure they would be responsible for the synopsis, I imagine that would be marketing, perhaps a reader doing coverage.

I'm probably just bitter because I've been writing a ton of these things lately on my MA course and we're always being told how vital a good synopsis is, only to see half-baked stuff like this thrown out there.
 
Tookay said:
Exactly.

The last thing the hero does at the end of the movie is be a total dick. And then the movie has the balls to make the last shot of him swinging around seem heroic.

It's so tonally confused I don't know how to react.
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It really put into perspective how perfect the ending of SM1 is. 'With great power comes great responsibility. This is my gift, my curse. Who am I? I'm Spider-Man.'
 
Scullibundo said:
It really put into perspective how perfect the ending of SM1 is. 'With great power comes great responsibility. This is my gift, my curse. Who am I? I'm Spider-Man.'
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Yes! It was perfect. He knows who he is, his responsibility to others, and what it means to carry on being Spider-Man. Awesome stuff.
 
Seriously, how can anybody argue for ASM being the better film? It's the polar opposite. Everything Raimi's SM1 did right, ASM did wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5QxUHCKqMU

Peter is handed MJ and everything he ever wished on a silver platter - and chooses to rebuff her, to do the responsible thing, because that's who Spider-Man is.

In ASM, Peter not only isn't handed Gwen, but begged not to pursue her - for her own safety and so that her dying father could rest easy that he could trust Peter. Then he does it anyway and starts swinging around like a fucking asshole aaaaaaaaaaaaaand CREDITS.
 
KingofGourds said:
Then we have ASM: "Sorry Capt.Stacey but I really wanna fuck your daughter so that promise I made is out the window."
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It's like there's no manhood in that, no responsibility or honor.

But being a horny teen myself, I can see where he's coming from, too.
Scullibundo said:
Seriously, how can anybody argue for ASM being the better film? It's the polar opposite. Everything Raimi's SM1 did right, ASM did wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5QxUHCKqMU

Peter is handed MJ and everything he ever wished on a silver platter - and chooses to rebuff her, to do the responsible thing, because that's who Spider-Man is.

In ASM, Peter not only isn't handed Gwen, but begged not to pursue her - for her own safety and so that her dying father could rest easy that he could trust Peter. Then he does it anyway and starts swinging around like a fucking asshole aaaaaaaaaaaaaand CREDITS.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the ASM was totally closer to the comics.

Therefore it's a better film.

Did I do it, right?

Seriously, though. I did enjoy the film, but it hasn't topped SM1 or 2.
 
If ASM was good for anything, it was re-igniting my desire to watch Raimi's first two films again after SM3.

Takes a special kind of piece of shit to out-do Spider-Man 3's awfulness.
 
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