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Sony says: "Keep making PS2 games, it's easy money"

SealSqueal said:
What crap. He says "If they bring a PS3 version out, they can bring a PS2 version out as well," Notice where the emphasis is?
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hey, i did ask for a title suggestion nobody said anything other than it should be reversed which I did (my bad). now it wont let me edit it anymore so, sorry
 
LOL

If they are going to make a PS2 version then why make a PS3 version? Someone seriously needs to silence that idiot Reeves. Sony should be trying to lower costs of the PS3 not continue the PS2 despite the fact that it is adding to the bottom line of Sony.

Are Sony themselves making any PS2 games? :lol
 
Jirotrom said:
this is great news...I really love my ps2 and with games like Persona 3 still being released they shouldn't cut the cord. Hopefully Disgaea 3 will be on the ps2 as well now.
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Truly this should be everyones response instead of throwing the axe at the common sense of keeping up the support for the strong selling PS2. Not to mention the PS3 can support the PS2 as well so it's more of a win situation here. Especially for those who are now buying PS2 games, who never had one to begin with, until they got a PS3.
 
Jirotrom said:
this is great news...I really love my ps2 and with games like Persona 3 still being released they shouldn't cut the cord. Hopefully Disgaea 3 will be on the ps2 as well now.
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I would rather play Persona 3 on my PS3 though.
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lollerskates
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DeaconKnowledge said:
Either way doesn't make much of a difference. It's still a "suggestion" to keep money in Sony's coffers and is obviously made to divert attention from the Wii and 360.
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If the game is on the PS3, it's almost always on the 360 as well. If a PS2 sku of said game is also in the works, why would developers keep it off the Wii? I don't see it diverting attention/development from any platform.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
This sounds more like Sony's plan to keep developers from doing anything with the Wii.
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You think? I don't know... The PS3 > PS2 porting strategy seems so extraordinarily unlikely I wonder if they really mean this to be taken seriously at all. PS2 > Wii ports and vice-versa seem much more likely. Surely Sony knows that.
 
rikitikitik said:
Wouldn't this further lessen the demand for a PS3? If I can get games on a console I already have, why bother buying another?
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If the PS3 version really isn't going to make money, why bother even making a PS3 version?

and if they do port wii and psp will get said games also

edit: beaten by Lightning
 
LiquidMetal14 said:
Truly this should be everyones response instead of throwing the axe at the common sense of keeping up the support for the strong selling PS2.
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Yeah, funny how all the people saying it are the same people bitching about games being made for the Wii because it's "last gen."
 
RubxQub said:
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The axe is truly swift and mighty. Or is it the pen is mightier than the sword...bah who cares, let us relish.
 
The company I used to work for actually planned on this happening (companies sinking big bucks into a next-gen title, then realizing they need the revenue from PS2's much larger market because of relatively slow next-gen adoption). They invested a lot in PS2 tech and are set up to port PS3/Xbox 360 games to PS2. So if you need something ported to PS2, Blue Shift in Palo Alto, CA are the guys you need to call.
 
LJ11 said:
If the game is on the PS3, it's almost always on the 360 as well. If a PS2 sku of said game is also in the works, why would developers keep it off the Wii? I don't see it diverting attention/development from any platform.
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Frankly it's the only thing that makes sense to me, considering that ideally Sony would just want developers to migrate wholesale to the PS3.

Although I'm completely open to the idea that Reeves is just being an idiot (again).
 
Link said:
Yeah, funny how all the people saying it are the same people bitching about games being made for the Wii because it's "last gen."
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Rest assured I am not one of those. I stand by my opinion and see you are in concurrence.
 
lollerskates said:
hey, i did ask for a title suggestion nobody said anything other than it should be reversed which I did (my bad). now it wont let me edit it anymore so, sorry
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Ha ok, I'm sure you could have imagined the reaction though, esp from those that don't bother to read anything else but the title! Looks like it got changed for you though :D
 
Ha! Stupid Sony asking devs to continue producing software for another one of their consoles still selling really good to appease those fans that still haven't made the transition to this gen... I mean, so what if the older console is still selling really well, those people don't want software...

Quick, someone spin this interview to make it sound like Sony is begging for support on the PS3 by tricking devs into thinking they can just make a port of it to put on the PS2, clearly marking the demise of Sony....

damn, you guys are fast...
 
All the bitching about poor 360 ports actually worked out. Now you get optimized PS2 ports. What the fuck Sony? No need for smileys, "This is living". Love my PS2, but for the owners of PS3, this has got to be a slap in the face. Even more proof that they should have focused more on PS2 instead of Blu ray3.
 
Talamius said:
Well in that case why develop for the PS3 at all? PS2/Wii it for the mega$$$.
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Can I freely say that this gen was rushed? Maybe MSFT should've waited another year or 2? As should the rest, have followed.
 
Link said:
Yeah, funny how all the people saying it are the same people bitching about games being made for the Wii because it's "last gen."
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Honestly, I can't wait for the usual suspects to spin this as a good thing despite the difference in graphics that were unacceptable for Wii.
 
J-Rzez said:
Ha! Stupid Sony asking devs to continue producing software for another one of their consoles still selling really good to appease those fans that still haven't made the transition to this gen... I mean, so what if the older console is still selling really well, those people don't want software...
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It does kind of remove the incentive for PS2 owners to upgrade, though. It definitely makes business sense, just as Nintendo's releasing NES titles into the SNES era did.
 
LiquidMetal14 said:
Can I freely say that this gen was rushed? Maybe MSFT should've waited another year or 2? As should the rest, have followed.
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Yes it was too early. But here we are, and we're going to be stuck with the results for another three or four years.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
Honestly, I can't wait for the usual suspects to spin this as a good thing despite the difference in graphics that were unacceptable for Wii.
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I, for one, condone this move. And to bash games for system graphics is not right, unless it is Cruis'n and Indy 500. Either way I agree, there are some spinners here who are riding them hard.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
Honestly, I can't wait for the usual suspects to spin this as a good thing despite the difference in graphics that were unacceptable for Wii.
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Deacon I know we disagree.

But people were bitching about Wii graphics in general not ones that actually seem like devs are using the system. I own a Wii and unless I see a game that seems to be all around sound from the developers it's not going in it.

And I have a PS3+Wii and all I play on them are last gen games. the graphics don't bother me because the ones I have look good.

Gamecube had less games but the majority I played looked good as well as they played.

Wii is different.
 
I don't see "next-gen" coming too early (except in Microsoft's case). It's just that Sony and MS blew it with the cost of development for the consoles and the Wii (and to a smaller extent PS2) dragged the rug from under them.
 
"We are committing funds for PS2 ... we encourage third parties to continue development for PS2. If they bring a PS3 version out, they can bring a PS2 version out as well,"
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Probably PSP as well. And Wii for that matter, but of course David Reeves wouldn't be mentioning that.
And I hope it happens.

Edit: Because I love portability in the case of PSP, while Wii is technologically better than PS2.
 
I'm actually getting a bit concerned with all the attention Sony is giving/trying to get others to give to the PS2. Obviously, it's still Sony's bread and butter, but it's not exactly a vote of confidence for the PS3. It seems whenever the PS3's poor sales are brought up, besides the whole "10 year plan" spiel, they always go right to "but check out our PS2 sales!"

Another concern is the PSP. Wouldn't it make more sense to encourage development for that instead of, or at least in addition to, the PS2? You can tell Sony is not used to dealing with not having a dominating position in the industry.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
I don't see "next-gen" coming too early (except in Microsoft's case). It's just that Sony and MS blew it with the cost of development for the consoles and the Wii (and to a smaller extent PS2) draged the rug from under them.
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Bingo.
 
Link said:
I'm actually getting a bit concerned with all the attention Sony is giving/trying to get others to give to the PS2. Obviously, it's still Sony's bread and butter, but it's not exactly a vote of confidence for the PS3. It seems whenever the PS3's poor sales are brought up, besides the whole "10 year plan" spiel, they always go right to "but check out our PS2 sales!"

Another concern is the PSP. Wouldn't it make more sense to encourage development for that instead of, or at least in addition to, the PS2? You can tell Sony is not used to dealing with not having a dominating position in the industry.
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I'll come halfway with you here. They want to support PS2, as it is their bread and butter. But the PS3 is still in it's infancy and cannot be measured by the success of its predecessors. Also, they have great software lined up to make sure the hardware is pushed. They may not be in their usual dominating position but they are thinking of ways to adapt to the cards they have been dealt.
 
I just don't think latching onto your former success is the best route of action, because it doesn't make you look so great to the people on the outside looking in.
 
CrushDance said:
Deacon I know we disagree.

But people were bitching about Wii graphics in general not ones that actually seem like devs are using the system. I own a Wii and unless I see a game that seems to be all around sound from the developers it's not going in it.

And I have a PS3+Wii and all I play on them are last gen games. the graphics don't bother me because the ones I have look good.

Gamecube had less games but the majority I played looked good as well as they played.

Wii is different.
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Wii isn't different, the developers are lazy. And in general there's no problem in taking developers to task for a poor effort.

However, The Wii itself is being attacked not just because of lazy developers, but because of the console not being comparable to the 360 and PS3.
 
Sharp said:
It does kind of remove the incentive for PS2 owners to upgrade, though. It definitely makes business sense, just as Nintendo's releasing NES titles into the SNES era did.
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Not necessarily... It can work both ways... One being your way, the other being what better way to show off the difference in the power of the consoles... And it's not like EVERY game would suffer this fate as not everything can be watered down enough to make it onto the PS2... You'll still have your dedicated system games, and some mixed in there... Personally, i dunno why they'd bother saying this as EA/Ubi have been doing this for a while with great success...
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
Wii isn't different, the developers are lazy. And in general there's no problem in taking developers to task for a poor effort.

However, The Wii itself is being attacked not just because of lazy developers, but because of the console not being comparable to the 360 and PS3.
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Well then those people have problems(Have I done that?). Because obviously it'll never be able to compete power wise but it obviously has its own charm to it.

I will say something though. I am SHOCKED maybe Bioschocked? At how reasonable and "understanding" GAF has been lately towards usually touchy subjects like these. Hopefully it'll last. :P
 
J-Rzez said:
Not necessarily... It can work both ways... One being your way, the other being what better way to show off the difference in the power of the consoles... And it's not like EVERY game would suffer this fate as not everything can be watered down enough to make it onto the PS2... You'll still have your dedicated system games, and some mixed in there... Personally, i dunno why they'd bother saying this as EA/Ubi have been doing this for a while with great success...
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That's an optimistic way of looking at it, I suppose. It all boils down to whether most people upgrade for technical reasons (the "next-gen" factor) or whether it's simply that people move on because their current consoles aren't receiving games anymore. If the former is true, this would be a great move on Sony's part and would help showcase the power of the PS3 and fatten its bottom line at the same time. However, if the latter is true (and I believe it is), the move would hinder PS3 adoption. And I don't think Reeves was referring to games like Madden that have been perennially ported.
 
"There is a lot of money still. What happened last time with PS1 is that they left a lot of money on the table by making the transition too quickly," he said
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Oh, the irony, it is painful.
 
The funny thing is if PS2 development is strong, and PS2 gets versions of most PS3 games, then there is no reason for people to move up.
 
Sharp said:
That's an optimistic way of looking at it, I suppose. It all boils down to whether most people upgrade for technical reasons (the "next-gen" factor) or whether it's simply that people move on because their current consoles aren't receiving games anymore. If the former is true, this would be a great move on Sony's part and would help showcase the power of the PS3 and fatten its bottom line at the same time. However, if the latter is true (and I believe it is), the move would hinder PS3 adoption. And I don't think Reeves was referring to games like Madden that have been perennially ported.
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I moved on for more and new games. I didn't get that...yet. My Gamecube is seriously getting the most workout around here.
 
Zzoram said:
The funny thing is if PS2 development is strong, and PS2 gets versions of most PS3 games, then there is no reason for people to move up.
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I don't think it is encouraging every game but the market for them is there. Most of these have been niche/hardcore games like RPG's. Persona 3, Odin Sphere, Grim Grimmoire, and Wild Arms 5 come to mind. I know these are not ports but these kinds of games are the ones that should stay for now. Seems that things will slow down within a year. You will still get the obligatory sports ports and the niche game here and there.
 
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