RedNumberFive
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This is the sad reality. Enjoy your interactive "nu-ads" folks!
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Sony spent just minutes on non-gaming features. How long will MS spend for theirs?
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This is the sad reality. Enjoy your interactive "nu-ads" folks!
Seriously, this. People tend to forget that a presentation is just advertising.
Yup. And I would LOVE if they do this. Sony focusing on gaming and MS focusing on providing an entertainment hub for my living room. I'd feel better owning both since they'd be providing different experiences. I always felt like a slight sucker owning both the PS3 and 360. The experiences were so similar it barely seemed worth it.
FonkyByNature
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I'm pretty sure MS will talk about integrating Windows 8 and Windows Phone with the next Xbox. Kinect will play as the controller for these things. It will probably be amazing technically but i'm hoping the games will be there. That's all that is important for me.
razgriz417
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yup
Good point, but MS won the core gamer with Xbox Live, a service, not by showing games. IMO, at least. Though I agree that assumptions like that are real killers in this business.
Baconsammy
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Sony also spent mere minutes on actual gameplay. If Microsoft shows real, actual games being played, they'll already be miles ahead of Sony.
Miles Quaritch
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You're right, but even mentioning Kinect invalidates their existence for a large portion of GAF. regardless of whether they show a large number of new core IPs, the mere mention of Kinect will see a large section of GAF proclaim the conference/reveal as a failure.
Neko Mimi Mode
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Apples and oranges. There's enough users married to XBL to give them some security. Also they have the money and resources to satisfy everyone.
Wishful speculation of Durango's demise aside, MS go into the next gen sitting comfortably while it's make or break for Sony. Why else would they jump the gun with the console reveal that never was?
PaulExcellent
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The whole damn thing. 
Maybe like 30 minutes.
Maybe like 30 minutes.
RedNumberFive
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I'm with you on this one.
I dunno what you mean, but being able to capture and share your gameplay simply and easily via the OS is a great feature for a gaming system, and certainly adds value to a game system,
Baconsammy
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They also showed a bunch of guys jumping around waving waggle sticks for about 10 minutes. And then people complain that Kinect 2 might be shown. LOL.
I feel like from the hardware perspective the Sony conference was by and large a best-case scenario. They brought out Mark Cerny to talk about GDDR5 RAM, Teraflops, pipelines, processor architectures, etc. Once they established the PS4's tech credentials THEN they went into the social stuff.
My concern is the next XBox is going to be more Skittles, crazy eyed clapping, and arm flapping goonery.
My concern is the next XBox is going to be more Skittles, crazy eyed clapping, and arm flapping goonery.
Psycho_Mantis
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Please elaborate.
I see Microsoft coming out like Sony with a gaming focused reveal. Get the core to like the machine to create hype then over the year flush out the features the core won't be so ecstatic for.
Keep the bombas to a minimum in each event to maintain hype. Sony will do it as I think Microsoft will.
Damn it. Bring Cliff Blesinski out as your Senior Hardware Advisor or something relatedrelated and have him go to town explaining how they built the system.
Keep the bombas to a minimum in each event to maintain hype. Sony will do it as I think Microsoft will.
Damn it. Bring Cliff Blesinski out as your Senior Hardware Advisor or something relatedrelated and have him go to town explaining how they built the system.
It seems to me like video sharing is growing pretty quickly. Just go on ustream or twitch.tv, hell even youtube has thousands of uploaded videos of people playing games. If it's well implemented and easy to use I think there will be a lot of people using the service who typically wouldn't do that sort of thing.
At this point I think it would be a wise idea for Microsoft to play up the entertainment aspects.
Even if they completely matched Sony on all the gaming-related announcements, it's not going to be quite as impressive hearing about that stuff/seeing it demoed the second time around. The reaction will just be "Sony already showed this in February"..
They need to announce new stuff.
Even if they completely matched Sony on all the gaming-related announcements, it's not going to be quite as impressive hearing about that stuff/seeing it demoed the second time around. The reaction will just be "Sony already showed this in February"..
They need to announce new stuff.
Miles Quaritch
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Warped perception in full effect? People complaining about Kinect for the sake of complaining about Kinect? Or perhaps more nefarious intentions with people who have no interest in the console stirring the pot with any and all negative aspects about the console?
It's a veritable feast of options to choose from!
SolidsnackooFoxhound
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This would be my prediction as well. I think it's pretty clear that Sony will be the most "core" game focused of the two.
Everything we've heard so far leads me to believe they want to be a multimedia powerhouse, using the Xbox as a launching pad for their various first and third party services. I hope MS focuses on games as much as Sony, but I'm keeping my expectations low until they reveal their plans.
I think focusing on media could be a good idea for MS, as it could potentially differentiate them from the competition if the public's conception of their new console is that it's a more versatile media experience.
How about I don't personally think Microsoft is going to spend 80% of their Xbox 720 reveal on Kinect and Social Gaming.
If it ends up being around two hours like Sony's that would be over a hour and a half on Kinect and Social gaming....
Personally I think most of the reveal is going to be 3rd party displays and probably some of the same stuff we've seen at the PS4 reveal.
TheJollyCorner
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This.
MS simply cannot let Sony go unchallenged for the next 4 months.
Did you see the amount of "I'm so glad we can finally talk about this stuff" comments came out of yesterday's conference?
If MS doesn't announce/unveil soon, all that excited next gen talk will be isolated to PS4... and unless MS is doing something radically different with NextBox (i.e. that whole "we are considered a different market now and not directly competing (with PS4)" crap like Nintendo did with the Wii), I can't imagine they like Sony getting sole possession of that spotlight.
I really have no idea how MS will go after this new gen.
UberTag
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Not only that but what little gameplay we did see was just graphical touch-ups of games that play identically on existing platforms.
I saw a bunch of non-interactive in-engine cinema sequences, minimal demonstration of improved enemy AI...
When DriveClub was debuted with that "racing in teams" focus, I was engaged and curious to see how a team-based driving game would play. Instead they didn't show anything that would illustrate that, showed off a bunch of undeniably impressive eye candy graphic shots and made it seem like it cribbed the Call of Duty leveling system so idiots in your clan/club/team can contribute just as well as skilled gamers.
We saw more footage of people sharing videos of themselves playing games during Sony's conference than actually playing said games. Watch_Dogs showcased the most impressive gameplay and it'll be out for X360/PS3 this year.
Microsoft can devote a full two-thirds of their conference to non-gaming... and if they spend that last third showing actual advances in gameplay that would motivate someone to say "I have to buy a Durango in order to get this game experience in my home... because I can't get it anywhere else" they'll have done a better job.
soundscream
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Funny how we don't have a ton of gifs from that media molecule part of the conference. PS move dancing and wii music clones are for the core now?
RedNumberFive
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Do we know the order for the big 3 presentations this year, or is it too early?
soundscream
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Isn't it always the same order?
majortom1981
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I feel Microsoft would be in a better position if they spend more time on the media and non gaming aspects of the next xbox. Just like what Nintendo did with the wii they can gain a bigger non gamer audience by showing the media aspects. I am looking forward to the next xbox specifically for its media aspects and its integration with windows phone and their wndows operating systems.
I am not a big fan of fps but I do watch a lot of movies and have a lot of Microsoft products.
People who have the 360 will buy the 720 and people with the ps3 will buy the ps4. That's pretty much a given.
Microsoft can get a big boost from non hardcore gamers by spending a decent amount on its non gamer features.
I am not a big fan of fps but I do watch a lot of movies and have a lot of Microsoft products.
People who have the 360 will buy the 720 and people with the ps3 will buy the ps4. That's pretty much a given.
Microsoft can get a big boost from non hardcore gamers by spending a decent amount on its non gamer features.
Dead Prince
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microsoft is good with that but it's the actual content. will we want what they show or not. but i'm hoping for some epic kinect style gameplay. Needs more potential gif material.
This is a good point where are the Move dancers gifs?
RedNumberFive
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I don't recall. If so, please refresh my memory on the order.
soundscream
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UberTag
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This isn't a given at all.
Not only that but a lot of us that owned BOTH systems this gen will be making a decision on which system to buy first.
Many of us won't be buying both at the same time.
A lot of us probably won't even be buying EITHER system at launch given what we've been shown thus far.
Just because we're active on GAF and defined as "hardcore gamers" doesn't mean we're sheep that will always sell out for a new console before it even has any killer apps out just because it's the "new hotness". Hell, in this era I can just watch vids online of any game and be as well-versed in talking about the experience of playing it as anyone else here.
RedNumberFive
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Thanks. I haven't been to an E3 since 2001.
FunnyBunny
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Joke all you want, but Sony's plan to download games you might like to entice a purchase is every bit as intrusive.
Both companies want to make money.
Neuromancer
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I think you guys are wrong and that the focus will be games for the majority of time. All that extra social/family friendly crap is more important down the road, and MS is going to want to appeal to 'core gamers' first and foremost.
Miles Quaritch
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There is a somewhat large thread discussing that part of the reveal conference, I assume the euphoria of the reveal is still fresh, so those gifs won't be available until later, if ever.
I fully expect the Microsoft reveal thread to be home to a large number of Kinect gifs moments after its revealed however.
fart town usa
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Too long. The press release from a week ago or so focused on xbox providing "premium content."
Sony specifically said that the focus is back on the gamer, not necessary the living room as a whole. It'll be interesting to see the direction Microsoft heads.
Sony specifically said that the focus is back on the gamer, not necessary the living room as a whole. It'll be interesting to see the direction Microsoft heads.
I'd buy all three of those games day 1.
Uno Venova
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Sounds like Directv's genie feature to record shows to your DVR they think you might like, you can turn it off there, probably can on the PS4 too.
soundscream
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Unlike the E3 kinect Gifs which are almost instantaneous?
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