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[angelfly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cr-Xz-ZIiI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMkNMQbOvQc

Have you noticed the date on that video? Irrelevant to the current events as it was possible before geohots jailbreak.

 

[demosthenes]

ahhhh noway seriously?

And people actually think this hacking is good :-(, I honestly hope Sony wins to help deter other people in the future, the amount of trouble it causes, ruins peoples gaming experiences, lose of earnings, peoples jobs, the hit it has on smaller publishers and dev teams etc.

This is why I don't care for hacking at all on these systems. The pros don't outweigh the cons in my eyes.

you would have to be pretty naive to believe that piracy tools wouldn't be released regardless.

This.

 

[Niblet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cr-Xz-ZIiI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMkNMQbOvQc

First video posted in October, second video posted early December . . . Neither related to Geohot or Failoverflow's work.

 

[Saren is Bad]

I'll be cheering for Sony on this one.

Can you please tell us why? I don't see how anyone can given the circumstances. Not being abrasive, I just can't.

 

[rataplein]

i don't have any position about this.


i don't know if i'm in favor or against. but:



i'm just sad that... uncharted 3... the last guardian... e.g. are going to be the next spore or cod: black ops... (most pirated games of the year)

it's just sad because of all the hard work and "love" of the developers.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

heard the people who were trying to patch peek/poke back into 3.55 have shutdown their irc channel, so sony's plan of scaring people could be working, doubt it though.

Nope. Its open.

 

[sixteen-bit]

wow, shit got real

 

[demosthenes]

Can you please tell us why? I don't see how anyone can given the circumstances. Not being abrasive, I just can't.

As a PS3 user I don't see the pros out of this? So people can load emulators? So a small amount of people can create their own tools to do stuff with? And eventually people will blow the system wide open for hacks on games, piracy, trying to hack PSN. Cons > Pros.

 

[plainr_]

Have you noticed the date on that video? Irrelevant to the current events as it was possible before geohots jailbreak.

I know it's irrelevant. Those are just examples. I'm aware of the date.

These hacks required 2 PS3's. A jailbroken PS3 and a legit one.

Now with a signed file manager, I assume you can do it with one with geohot's CFW.

 

[Chesskid1]

Nope. Its open.

ah, my bad, sorry for misinformation.

i just read this awesome quote apparently from the documents

"Hotz violated this provision when, in the
same post in which the published SCEA’s Keys, he attempted to obtain from SCEA “a thing
of value” in the form of employment: “if you want your next console to be secure, get in touch with me.”"

is this REALLY in the documents?? this tiny little sentence, he prolly said in jest cause he felt badass for busting the ps3, could get him in major trouble.

 

[Vorg]

Isn't it already cracked open? Everything I've read has implied that the leak is basically unfixable.

I think Ronin Chaos summed it up best:

Things like this always make me wonder about the kind of reality these executives live in. ANYBODY with any small amount of intelligence could see what was going to happen the minute they tried to run up on Geohot. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Sony fucked up, because they're playing the corporation picking on the little guy instead of bringing geo into the fold. Sony should have been like "Okay, you figured this out. We'll pay you a small amount of cash, and you sign this document that says we can sue you back to the fucking stone-age if you release this info".

Now this shit is going to galvanize the hacker population to exploit as much as possible. Look at how hard people get down on hacks for the iPhone. They aren't going to stop. Sony should have thought twice.

 

[Zoe]

Can you please tell us why? I don't see how anyone can given the circumstances. Not being abrasive, I just can't.

The actions fail0ver, followed by geohot, will lead to some amount of harm to Sony and their affiliates. That is indisputable.

I'm all for people doing things just for themselves or for a small, but closed, community. However, these guys are broadcasting their works to the world and are making it easier than it should be for those works to fall into the wrong hands.

Sony has the right to try to stop them, whether by having their actions found illegal or by making them pay for the damages Sony will incur.

 

[KtSlime]

ahhhh noway seriously?

And people actually think this hacking is good :-(, I honestly hope Sony wins to help deter other people in the future, the amount of trouble it causes, ruins peoples gaming experiences, lose of earnings, peoples jobs, the hit it has on smaller publishers and dev teams etc.

Shouldn't people using these hacks be the ones accountable and not geohot?

Where does one's responsibility start and end?

 

[Vamphuntr]

is this REALLY in the documents?? this tiny little sentence, he prolly said in jest cause he felt badass for busting the ps3, could get him in major trouble.

Yes on page 19 (of the document not of the pdf). Blackmail attempt?

 

[charlequin]

I am pretty astonished that no one at Sony could apparently think of a single better thing to do in response to this situation than this.

 

[angelfly]

Shouldn't people using these hacks be the ones accountable and not geohot?

Where does one's responsibility start and end?

You can't be held responsible for people misusing it.

 

[elektrixx]

Shots fired.

 

[Akainu]

Shouldn't people using these hacks be the ones accountable and not geohot?

Where does one's responsibility start and end?

With both.

I am pretty astonished that no one at Sony could apparently think of a single better thing to do in response to this situation than this.

Bricking has always been a wet dream of mine. Put some code or whatever in their games to detect if this is running and wreck their shit.

 

[BigBadShamoo]

As a PS3 user I don't see the pros out of this? So people can load emulators? So a small amount of people can create their own tools to do stuff with? And eventually people will blow the system wide open for hacks on games, piracy, trying to hack PSN. Cons > Pros.

Granted, lot's more Cons than Pros in this situation. I hate analogies but here's one anyway, So people can Smoke? So a small amount of people can achieve a personal sense of enjoyment? And eventually people will accidentally start fires with cigarrettes, be the origin of secondhand smoking, trying to ignore the fact that they are polluting earth with all there cigarette buds.


What can ya do. It's a free world in most places. And sometimes even the best choice isn't what everyone wants.

 

[Zeal]

ah, my bad, sorry for misinformation.

i just read this awesome quote apparently from the documents




is this REALLY in the documents?? this tiny little sentence, he prolly said in jest cause he felt badass for busting the ps3, could get him in major trouble.

it will be hilarious if they try to go for an extortion charge. of course the judge will just laugh.

 

[Mr_Appleby]

Sony has the right to try to stop them, whether by having their actions found illegal or by making them pay for the damages Sony will incur.

this this this. As much as hackers have a right to tinker with hardware they own, Sony have a right to attempt to protect their business. They're not assholes for doing so.

 

[kiunchbb]

Not to mention all the potential cheater going to be appearing in PSN... this hack will most likely hurt the value and enjoyment of my PS3 than adding anything to it (unless they find some way to block all PS3 using CFW from going online).

 

[Godslay]

I am pretty astonished that no one at Sony could apparently think of a single better thing to do in response to this situation than this.

With their random action generator broken, what did you expect? :lol

They only had one choice.

 

[KtSlime]

With both.

Cool, in that case I guess the whole world is responsible. :lol

 

[Jocchan]

I am pretty astonished that no one at Sony could apparently think of a single better thing to do in response to this situation than this.

I'm astonished that someone can ask a person to remove information from the Internet.

 

[Godslay]

I'm astonished that someone can ask a person to remove information from the Internet.

Mr. Geohotz, tear down that key.:lol

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Sony already knew there was nothing they could have done to stop this .
People were going to break open everything on PS3 even if SONY did or say nothing.
You do have to wonder whats going happen to geohot .

 

[angelfly]

Damn, somebody already stole my ps3 key shirt idea

 

[Zeliard]

If the publication of the DVD AACS processing keys on Wikipedia are of any precedent then I don't see how Sony can try and suppress people from posting keys regardless of how they were obtained.

It'll just result in the newest example of the Streisand effect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

The Streisand effect is a primarily online phenomenon in which an attempt to hide or remove a piece of information has the unintended consequence of perversely causing the information to be publicized more widely and to a greater extent than would have occurred if no contrary action had been attempted.

 

[Hellsing321]

Sony done fucked up.

 

[Chesskid1]

surprised no one has tried to sue companies that make blank CDs, DVDs. i mean, the majority of them has to be used for piracy, no?

it's kinda like this situation, maybe?

 

[Akainu]

You do have to wonder whats going happen to geohot .

 

[lupin23rd]

As a PS3 user I don't see the pros out of this? So people can load emulators? So a small amount of people can create their own tools to do stuff with? And eventually people will blow the system wide open for hacks on games, piracy, trying to hack PSN. Cons > Pros.

Pretty much this.

And :lol at anyone seriously thinking google should be sued as well.

 

[Jocchan]

Mr. Geohotz, tear down that key.:lol

Only the Elders of the Internet could help him do so (sorry for retreading the same joke).

 

[FLEABttn]

I am pretty astonished that no one at Sony could apparently think of a single better thing to do in response to this situation than this.

Who says they haven't? This is the first public thing from Sony we've seen. God knows what's happened there internally.

 

[Vamphuntr]

I'm astonished that someone can ask a person to remove information from the Internet.

Depends on the context. If someone opens up a web page and start revealing your personal information then yes you can attack him.

 

[demosthenes]

surprised no one has tried to sue companies that make blank CDs, DVDs. i mean, the majority of them has to be used for piracy, no?

it's kinda like this situation, maybe?

We use dvds as a layer of extra back up at work on important information. Pretty sure a lot of businesses do.

 

[Chesskid1]

We use dvds as a layer of extra back up at work on important information. Pretty sure a lot of businesses do.

yeah that's what i mean, there are legit uses, but the majority is for bad things.


and this isn't sony's first public response to the hacks,

this was.

 

[demosthenes]

What will happen to PSN?

Sony is obligated to keep personal information safe no matter what the cost. Can these hacks lead to finding ways to crack PSN?

 

[railGUN]

surprised no one has tried to sue companies that make blank CDs, DVDs. i mean, the majority of them has to be used for piracy, no?

it's kinda like this situation, maybe?

We pay a nice little levy in Canada based on this logic.

 

[ScrabbleDude]

Sony has the right to try to stop them, whether by having their actions found illegal or by making them pay for the damages Sony will incur.

Except it's too late. Sony can't stop anything at this point. If the actions are found illegal, it still won't be stopped. Look at piracy in general, it is illegal, but there's no way it's stopping any time soon.

And how can anyone possibly pay Sony for damages? These people don't have that kind of money and will likely never have that kind of money. It's possible that they could work the rest of their lives and still never have that kind of money.

At this point, even if Sony were to win this lawsuit, they would still lose.

 

[jcm]

I am pretty astonished that no one at Sony could apparently think of a single better thing to do in response to this situation than this.

I'm pretty astonished that you think this is their only response. As if the guys that wrote the brief got pulled of the PSN CFW detection project.

 

[hamchan]

Well, I don't really like geohot at all but I also like hacking, so meh to this whole thing. Either one can win or lose and I'd be fine.

 

[angelfly]

What will happen to PSN?

Sony is obligated to keep personal information safe no matter what the cost. Can these hacks lead to finding ways to crack PSN?

I'm sure after this someone is gong to break npdrm in order to make a point to Sony

 

[demosthenes]

Except it's too late. Sony can't stop anything at this point. If the actions are found illegal, it still won't be stopped. Look at piracy in general, it is illegal, but there's no way it's stopping any time soon.

And how can anyone possibly pay Sony for damages? These people don't have that kind of money and will likely never have that kind of money. It's possible that they could work the rest of their lives and still never have that kind of money.

At this point, even if Sony were to win this lawsuit, they would still lose.

The point is then to deter people from doing this kind of thing next time around. You can ruin your life...and for what? So OTHER people can use your work? Look at what will happen to you, your wages will be garnished for the rest of your life. Who would want to risk that.

 

[demosthenes]

I'm sure after this someone is gong to break npdrm in order to make a point to Sony

Yea, and when that happens and the cost to protect PSN sky rockets, why should Sony keep PSN free? Yea it's an extreme, but something I'm worried about happening from all of this.

 

[Zoe]

Except it's too late. Sony can't stop anything at this point. If the actions are found illegal, it still won't be stopped. Look at piracy in general, it is illegal, but there's no way it's stopping any time soon.

It would empower them (and MS and Nintendo) to go after other hackers who make similar developments.

 

[angelfly]

The point is then to deter people from doing this kind of thing next time around. You can ruin your life...and for what? So OTHER people can use your work? Look at what will happen to you, your wages will be garnished for the rest of your life. Who would want to risk that.

Doesn't work the way you think. If that was the case all these raids on warez groups would have resulted in piracy being killed and we all know it's alive and well. Hell I remember after one particular group was raided they continue to release and even included a "hey fbi you missed me" in the nfo

 

[expy]

I am pretty astonished that no one at Sony could apparently think of a single better thing to do in response to this situation than this.

I'm sure this isn't the only course of action they will take to counter the homebrew and pirating scenes.

 

[Afrikan]

Sony already knew there was nothing they could have done to stop this .
People were going to break open everything on PS3 even if SONY did or say nothing.
You do have to wonder whats going happen to geohot .

yup they knew it was too late...
I really believe they were just being patient and waiting for Geohot and others to eventually talk themselves into trouble.....and that seems like what might of happened.

so they'll just make the lives of these main people involved a living hell...then get tons of consoles sales, since the PS3 can play pirated games now....then start banning consoles from PSN while releasing a majority of their games with primary online features.