Which developer thinks that the Wii competed in the same generation as Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox, as opposed to Xbox 360 and PS3?
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Sony: Wii U is "its own generation"
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Boss Doggie
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It does when its meaning is pretty much clear but misused so much that the misused word is the "new" meaning, which is sickening. Generation is all about the era/time of when an item has been a part of.
Next thing you'll tell me this person isn't "next gen" because he doesn't do algebra at 5.
BlazingDarkness
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I expect there were a lot of developers who didn't even consider the Wii as within the same threshold as the PS3/360
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
If you're wondering about the Wii, it's basically an overclocked Gamecube with more RAM (the GC had a 486 MHz CPU and 43 MB RAM, while the Wii has a CPU reportedly clocked at 729 MHz and 88 MB RAM + 3 MB imbedded GPU texture memory IIRC).
PdotMichael
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I don't know what are you tyring to say... but many developers use the term 8bit or 16bit
from a technical standpoint, pretty much all developers
Of course, which is a different topic altogether.
BlazingDarkness
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It's not really, my point was that this is probably where Sony's own opinion lies, purely from a hardware perspective they could be considered different generations - the time at which things are released is another way but I expect Sony isn't measuring things in that manner
Boss Doggie
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I was talking about the timeline on where the game is made but stylized to something from the old. How would one put a generation on it then?
Yes the Wii is underpowered vs. the PS3 and the 360. That goes without saying. But generation isn't the term for it and saying it isn't "part of the generation" is just using the terminology all wrong.
I mean, if that's the case, then clearly the PS2 isn't part of last generation.
dacuk
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Fixed for sad reality.
You underestimate the power of GAF.
That's very polite from his side
That's what I thought. There wasn't even a not-so-subtle insult about it being a gimmick or for kids or anything.
Sony has matured a lot over this generation from beyond the level of a junior high student.
BlazingDarkness
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You could probably find some quotes from Microsoft touting the XBOX as 'the next generation' and claiming PS2 to be generation behind, again purely from a hardware perspective I don't think there's much wrong with those comments
'Generation' when speaking about hardware and technology is quite different than the 'generation' when referring to a specific period of time
Right. However, the notion that a console generation is only defined by significant advancement of computer hardware components is not a universal or clear definition. It is primarily a marketing terminology.
Boss Doggie
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But then that "generation" is simply used for sensationalism, especially as it views the hardware in a vacuum.
Has this been confirmed? If you compare Super Mario Sunshine to Super Mario Galaxy, the latter has much more effects, so I don't think it's a simple overclock... Things like bump mapping, specular reflections, bloom, fur etc.
TheBanditKing
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Love this guy, he always keeps it classy, and makes good points.
BlazingDarkness
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Yeah, and this coming from Sony makes perfect sense
Like I said, you can use the term in more than more than one way and be correct
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
The CPU speed for Wii was, according to Wikipedia, reportedly measured at 729 MHz, but the GPU in the Wii would obviously be better than the one in the GC. Calling it an overclocked GC is really just an easier way of explaining the technology in the Wii and why it wasn't such a jump from the GC.
PdotMichael
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And for me personally, it was the worst "mainstream" console that I've ever experienced.
Loved my N64 and Gamecube, I won't be getting a Wii-U.
I'll just wait what Microsoft and Sony have in store for us in 2014.
It's not easy to compare graphics across genres since different genres tend to exploit different characteristics of the hardware. Unfortunately I don't think any 3rd parties made a good effort to exploit the Wii hardware so it's not going to be easy to find a good comparison on the Wii to those titles you mentioned...
The only real comparisons are Nintendo Wii games vs Nintendo GC games.
I find it hilarious how some fans find this like a personal insult! Did you guys actually read the whole thing? He is respectful and perfectly in line here. He explains his reasoning as well and frankly he is right on the money.
Oh and generations can be defined by several measurement standards now. It's no longer a black and white situation. But keep in mind by saying Wii was in a different gen he does not mean that it belongs to a previous gen or something. He is talking about the technical capabilities and the approach to their markets.
Oh and generations can be defined by several measurement standards now. It's no longer a black and white situation. But keep in mind by saying Wii was in a different gen he does not mean that it belongs to a previous gen or something. He is talking about the technical capabilities and the approach to their markets.
Happy-Bunny
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If you take the 3rd party games (AC3, Batman etc.) into account the WiiU seems more like a current gen (PS3,X360) machine.
"Mainstream" SD consoles sold 145m during this generation.
You putting the Wii in the same generation as the PS2? Based on Shu's idea Wii is also its own generation.
you are back Takao? Welcome back, missed you
so, how is 95 'niche' compared to 130m? Plus if consider all the people who bought Kinect and Move, I would say they are roughly the same.
Thanks for the welcome, as for the niche comment, I don't know. Maybe Shu fumbled or something because 95 million anything isn't niche.
Isn't that logic a bit backwards...
I mean.. what 3rd party "next-gen" games do we have?
Its only getting the current games.. because only ones it can get.. unless its also a time machine.
His argument is little more than the "Wii is last gen lolz" fanboy argument from circa 2007. He's trying to dismiss the competition using more respectful words. In order to seem more respectful he talks about parallel generations that start at the same time, which is of course non-sense and spin.
Do notice that people using these arguments never comment on the fact that PS3+360 sales together don't come close to the PS2/Xbox/GC gen, which would be the case if the Wii really was a product carving its own niche instead of being highly competitive in the market place.
this thread turned out far better then I thought it was going to.
InsaneZero
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This debate about the console generation is rather meaningless in light of the fact that everybody agrees that the PS1 and the N64 were in the same generation.
OldJadedGamer
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What does 3rd party support have to do with it?
As for the Atari Jaguar, I don't think it was the first console in its generation, but otherwise yeah why not?
"Next Generation" can mean anything to those who give it meaning, just like any word or phrase. Your "literal" definition does not make it more important to those who view the Wii U as "last generation" or "new generation" or "next generation," because we adorn different meanings to different ideas and concepts.
Your best bet when handling this thread is to understand what is being said rather that attempting to trump what is being said with your own definition of what something should mean.
But that's just me. :\
Megadragon15
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Don't forget about the Vita and the 3DS.
Everyone knows the N64 won its generation because the PSX was just an addon for the SNES so it was past gen at that point. Also 64bit > 32bits so that further proves that the PSX just couldn't touch this.
OldJadedGamer
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Or the Jaguar/Neo Geo and SNES/Genesis. What about 3DO and Virtual Boy... These were starts of new generations too then. So really the 32/64 bit era started in 1993.
Jaguar's 2D games looked worse than SNES/Genesis and its 3D games looked like digitized vomit.
Megadragon15
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Jaguar and 3DO should be paired together because they both released in 1993.
I dare you to find any SNES 2D game that comes close to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8mRwKrDWKE
Cornbread78
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Ok, damn you... the diet green tea just flew out all over my desk... 'Dem where the days...
Boss Man
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Everyone keeps saying that they're competing, but I'm really not so sure. This, by the way, is the most practical way to define a console generation IMO.
Of course they are competing on some level just like the consoles are competing with mobile devices and even cable television, but is anyone really going to a store and deciding between a Wii or a PS3? How many "PS3 or 360?" arguments have there been?
If you took away the Wii, do you think PS3 and 360 sales would share those 95 million units? I don't. As a matter of fact, I think Wii sales might actually help PS360 sales on some level. It draws people into games who otherwise wouldn't bother. On the other hand, if the 360 was blotted out from existence I think the PS3 would gain at least half of those units in sales. This is what puts them in the same generation to me; the idea that they've got almost a 1:1 relationship on the shelf.
I think it makes a lot more sense to say that the Wii and Wii U are their own thing. While I wouldn't have called the Wii 'next gen', I also wouldn't have called it 'last gen'. It's not a PS3 nor is it a PS2 obviously. Nintendo went lateral, and it's purposefully not competing with MS and Sony now- it saw something that it thought was more profitable, and it was right. It's not really a bad thing, Nintendo fans just need to stop living for Sales-age competition.
Of course they are competing on some level just like the consoles are competing with mobile devices and even cable television, but is anyone really going to a store and deciding between a Wii or a PS3? How many "PS3 or 360?" arguments have there been?
If you took away the Wii, do you think PS3 and 360 sales would share those 95 million units? I don't. As a matter of fact, I think Wii sales might actually help PS360 sales on some level. It draws people into games who otherwise wouldn't bother. On the other hand, if the 360 was blotted out from existence I think the PS3 would gain at least half of those units in sales. This is what puts them in the same generation to me; the idea that they've got almost a 1:1 relationship on the shelf.
I think it makes a lot more sense to say that the Wii and Wii U are their own thing. While I wouldn't have called the Wii 'next gen', I also wouldn't have called it 'last gen'. It's not a PS3 nor is it a PS2 obviously. Nintendo went lateral, and it's purposefully not competing with MS and Sony now- it saw something that it thought was more profitable, and it was right. It's not really a bad thing, Nintendo fans just need to stop living for Sales-age competition.
Why does this thread even exist?
The Wii was a part of the seventh generation of consoles, and the Wii U will be a part of the 8th.
Sony could put out an easy bake oven with a controller and it, too, would be a part of the 8th generation.
This isn't something that's debatable - certainly not to 4 pages already.
The Wii was a part of the seventh generation of consoles, and the Wii U will be a part of the 8th.
Sony could put out an easy bake oven with a controller and it, too, would be a part of the 8th generation.
This isn't something that's debatable - certainly not to 4 pages already.
flyinpiranha
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Sony: We're not in last place, everybody else just sells too much.
What's impressive about Rayman other than the art style?
I dare you to find any Jaguar game that comes close to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCLiCvWpMpw
Old school rare went beast mode on nintendos hardware. Those guys where in a league of their own.
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