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Source "trustmebro"Your group of gamers probably doesn’t account for even 5% of the gaming population. Yes, you’re in the vast minority of both.
Source "trustmebro"Your group of gamers probably doesn’t account for even 5% of the gaming population. Yes, you’re in the vast minority of both.
You can probably sell it for a profit.Definitely holding off on a PS5 now. Almost regret buying a Series X at this point. I literally don't play on the console anymore these days. It's more of a backup in case my PC shit's the bed.
But it does. You don't even know how.
You cannot code to the metal. You have to design the game with limitation of gtx 1060 in mind. It has to scale
Well said. It's a depressing state of affairs. The worst thing is that they are making more profit now in one year than they did in the entire PS2 generation, and they are throwing it all away to chase Microsoft who completely dropped the ball last gen. Going multiplatform did not make MS the industry leader in sales nor revenue. Gamepass did not help them sell more xbox consoles or more games. Their revenue is still $10 billion short of Playstation's. Sony didnt need GaaS, or multiplats, or Gamepass. They succeeded this gen by focusing on high quality first party exclusives, focusing on games instead of TV or gimmicks like the move, and traditional gaming model of selling physical copies of games alongside selling them digitally with PS+ subs.Sony pretty much reminds me of Microsoft now... corporate, profit first focus with western blockbuster type games taking center stage. I see the uniqueness of Sony with games like gravity rush, Ico and Shadow of the Colossus slowly disappearing. Sony is pretty much a western company now. Jim Ryan is someone who will make shareholders happy, at least in the short term, but the uniqueness of the Sony brand is being diminished overall.
yes it isproven that 1060 is equivalent to ps4 speed despite being about 2x raw faster. That's what coding to metal on ps4 didYou can probably sell it for a profit.
Most PC games nowadays running dated last gen games require the 1060. When stuff like the Matrix starts to come out, those requirements will increase. No dev gives a shit about optimising for low end PC cards.
Well said. It's a depressing state of affairs. The worst thing is that they are making more profit now in one year than they did in the entire PS2 generation, and they are throwing it all away to chase Microsoft who completely dropped the ball last gen. Going multiplatform did not make MS the industry leader in sales nor revenue. Gamepass did not help them sell more xbox consoles or more games. Their revenue is still $10 billion short of Playstation's. Sony didnt need GaaS, or multiplats, or Gamepass. They succeeded this gen by focusing on high quality first party exclusives, focusing on games instead of TV or gimmicks like the move, and traditional gaming model of selling physical copies of games alongside selling them digitally with PS+ subs.
Why throw away what brought you success is beyond me.
Pc day one will kill all the secret sauce console only optimisation because games have to be made with weak hardware in mind without even any direct io storage
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Bullshit ..... Just like the rest of your secret sauce nonsense.yes it isproven that 1060 is equivalent to ps4 speed despite being about 2x raw faster. That's what coding to metal on ps4 did
What?, the 1060 has matched, and even beaten the OneX sometimes in comparisons, nevermind PS4.yes it isproven that 1060 is equivalent to ps4 speed despite being about 2x raw faster. That's what coding to metal on ps4 did
Not at all. Look at god of war... 1080p original settings is about 45fps on average on 1060. Should be at least 60 on 1060 if it was twice the power.Bullshit .....
If I'm sure Square-Enix and Falcom will bring everything to PC, I don't know if I'll ever need a PS5.Definitely holding off on a PS5 now. Almost regret buying a Series X at this point. I literally don't play on the console anymore these days. It's more of a backup in case my PC shit's the bed.
Oh god.....Not at all. Look at god of war... 1080p original settings is about 45fps on average on 1060. Should be at least 60 on 1060 if it was twice the power.
ps4 = 2TF = 35fps
3080 - 30TF... not 500fps. (more like 150)
It's was always like that. The hardware scales only up to some point and it's not 100% used on pc
Stuart360 depends on the game. But usually it is not 2x faster
I am trolling you a bit. Of course we do not multiply fps x15 ....Oh god.....
K. Whatever. I'm definitely not having a tech discussion with you.
You are totally right if that makes you happy...
No way dude. That is patently false. gtx 1060 is at the gtx 980 level which can run witcher 3 at nearly maxed settings minus hair works at 60fps, ps4 version is medium settings at an unstable 30fps.yes it isproven that 1060 is equivalent to ps4 speed despite being about 2x raw faster. That's what coding to metal on ps4 did
Well like you said, it depends on the game, and i'd guesss a PS exclusive that has been coded for one machine, and designed to push that console hard, yeah there may be stuff like that. For a lot of multiplatform games though, a 1060 can match the OneX.Not at all. Look at god of war... 1080p original settings is about 45fps on average on 1060. Should be at least 60 on 1060 if it was twice the power.
ps4 = 2TF = 35fps
3080 - 30TF... not 500fps. (more like 150)
It's was always like that. The hardware scales only up to some point and it's not 100% used on pc
Stuart360 depends on the game. But usually it is not 2x faster
Erhmm... nope. Playstation ecosystem =! Playstation console.So you agreed with me lol. Is the exact same thing I just said.
Well like you said, it depends on the game, and i'd guesss a PS exclusive that has been coded for one machine, and designed to push that console hard, yeah there may be stuff like that. For a lot of multiplatform games though, a 1060 can match the OneX.
Putting 'Xbox OneX vs GTX1060' on Youtube will bring up a ton of comparisons.
Plus its more like 45-60fps on 1060, with it hanging around the low 50's most of the time -
Technically yes the 1060 should be able to 60fps the game no problem on 'Orig settings'.
Yes, but at what cost? If the console becomes an after-thought is it really PlayStation at that point?Rip PlayStation for potentially selling more than ever?
Nah. the 1060 is running god of war at 2x framerate. And thats like the worst port ever.yes it isproven that 1060 is equivalent to ps4 speed despite being about 2x raw faster. That's what coding to metal on ps4 did
A good game is a good game no matter the brand logo it boasts.Yes, but at what cost? If the console becomes an after-thought is it really PlayStation at that point?
Can we now put to bed the cope that Sony were only releasing GoW, HZD etc on PC in order to entice PC owners to then buy a PS5 to play the sequels? Now that everyone has heard it from the horses mouth, that argument no longer holds water. Thanks for confirming Jimbo!
I'd second this but Shawn Layden was the one who started this PS games on PC initiative so it's probably a collective vision of Sony's unfortunatelyJim Ryan needs to go.
Sony just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about NeoGAF culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is on ResetEra, where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over on NeoGAF, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the NeoGAF public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase a PlayStation 5, nor will they purchase any of Sony’s games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.
Sony, publicly apologize and make all first party titles EXCLUSIVE or you can kiss your business goodbye.
Your obsession with Japan doesn't make much sense.Sony pretty much reminds me of Microsoft now... corporate, profit first focus with western blockbuster type games taking center stage. I see the uniqueness of Sony with games like gravity rush, Ico and Shadow of the Colossus slowly disappearing. Sony is pretty much a western company now. Jim Ryan is someone who will make shareholders happy, at least in the short term, but the uniqueness of the Sony brand is being diminished overall.
It's a bad port. All "big" pc games in the last year have been pretty bad honestly.Not at all. Look at god of war... 1080p original settings is about 45fps on average on 1060. Should be at least 60 on 1060 if it was twice the power.
ps4 = 2TF = 35fps
3080 - 30TF... not 500fps. (more like 150)
It's was always like that. The hardware scales only up to some point and it's not 100% used on pc
Stuart360 depends on the game. But usually it is not 2x faster
I can’t be here?I’m really wondering why you’re still here.
That’s the only ecosystem they have. What else do they have that ties you to use their products when you will be able to play the games and use the services anywhere? Do you think Netflix has an ecosystem? No they don’t..Erhmm... nope. Playstation ecosystem =! Playstation console.
Playstation ecosystem = Playstation console + PS plus + PSNow + games + Playstation PC + Playstation accesories (VR headset, gamepads, etc).
If the ecosystem relies entirely on the Playstation console, then the whole equation falls off when they "kill it" (somewhere in the far future), and the so called "ecosystem" wasn't a strong one to begin with.
If, for any reason, Microsoft decides that there will be no "next xbox" in hardware (as we know it today), they could still add an "xbox mode" to every single Windows PC with certain hardware specs and call it a day, because they have the "xbox ecosystem".
Heck, for years Apple didn't give a f*ck (and still doesn't) if you install macOS on a hackintosh (being them a hardware vendor first and foremost), because they know that their software and services (and also the "brand" recognition) are why people stick with them and give them tons of money. They know that if you have a regular PC and install macOS, sooner rather than later you'll wind up giving money to them via an iPhone or an iPad or even software (like Final Cut pro).
...and THAT'S where Sony is trying to get.
I am sorry but your Apple example is weird because you mention the iPhone and the iPad. Both are hardware sold by Apple using a closed ecosystem. Hell, they even got sued by Microsoft and Epic recently because of their walled garden console like appraoch to cellphone eco systems.Erhmm... nope. Playstation ecosystem =! Playstation console.
Playstation ecosystem = Playstation console + PS plus + PSNow + games + Playstation PC + Playstation accesories (VR headset, gamepads, etc).
If the ecosystem relies entirely on the Playstation console, then the whole equation falls off when they "kill it" (somewhere in the far future), and the so called "ecosystem" wasn't a strong one to begin with.
If, for any reason, Microsoft decides that there will be no "next xbox" in hardware (as we know it today), they could still add an "xbox mode" to every single Windows PC with certain hardware specs and call it a day, because they have the "xbox ecosystem".
Heck, for years Apple didn't give a f*ck (and still doesn't) if you install macOS on a hackintosh (being them a hardware vendor first and foremost), because they know that their software and services (and also the "brand" recognition) are why people stick with them and give them tons of money. They know that if you have a regular PC and install macOS, sooner rather than later you'll wind up giving money to them via an iPhone or an iPad or even software (like Final Cut pro).
...and THAT'S where Sony is trying to get.
This is exactly the point I'm trying to make. Why are they making the PlayStation console less relevant and removing incentives to buy one (which they ARE, through several of their actions) if they don't want to sacrifice that revenue? It makes no sense. The only logical answer is that they see their future revenue coming from elsewhere.
Another thing I mentioned is that mid-gen refreshes were exclusive to last gen only. I don't think Sony is going to invest in mid-gen refreshes at this point when software is more important and more lucrative. I can see "slim" versions with updated HD space, etc.. but nothing that would be a significant change to the hardware.
Sony has more or less dominated the market since they came on the scene, yet they've seen companies around them absolutely grow at a staggering rate
Valve
Electronic Arts
Activision
Epic Games
Sony's (not playstation's) entire market cap is 160 billion dollars
EA alone is worth 36 billion.
Tencent bought into Epic Games for a SONG
Sony was really slow to come to grips with being a major software developer on top of a hardware manufacturer. Very slow.
Once they embraced it, they got a taste for the money and have been very successful, but they were slow in realizing other aspects of that like putting games on PC or GaaS to even larger storefronts.
Take2 and CD Projekt are the two most strategic major acquisitions Sony could look to make in order to become the service and software-oriented company they are looking to become and some level of multiplatform i.e. PC and mobile makes a lot of sense, and yes even some support for Xbox and Nintendo platforms.
This idea that by having a game be exclusive that you're going to get system sellers is not all that realistic in the larger scheme of things. There are xbox owners who will never buy ps and ps owners who will never buy xbox. Same goes for Nintendo.
If Nintendo put Mario kart on Xbox and PS5 it would probably outsell the switch versions when combined. Imagine leaving that much money on the table. The thing is, it probably wouldn't greatly impact Switch sales at all. At worse someone who owns a switch and an xbox or ps would buy the xbox/ps version, but they're still going to have their switch.
Obviously you want to promote your console due to royalties, but there is a lot more money to be had here ultimately.
PC WINS comments are getting out of hand and sound strange to me.
PC hasn't been getting any real PC centric games for a long, long time in AAA space (and we're talkng about that here). Not a single game since Crysis from 2007 (15 years ago) was made to be PC only/pc first. Don't mention indies, that's a different game entirely.
It is nice to be able to play more console games on PC, but as an old school PC gamer, I wouldn't celebrate that too much. Just a glance over famous successful pc years tells a lot. Today you can't even imagine playing most of the games you're talking about without a controller, that's how pc centric they are.
Getting very expensive PC to play games designed for console hardware and controllers isn't that hot IMO. Playing some true PC classics like we had in the past would be.
What's with 3P?? ffs they are a platform holder, with actual hw in market, they are a console manufacturer and owner of a lot of first party studios producing software for those consoles, they also publish games like CoD in Japan is the most extreme I can give as an example, they started publishing their own games on PC platform... 3rd party??? WTH
Actually, they do: you can play Netflix even on an android-based fridge if you really want to.That’s the only ecosystem they have. What else do they have that ties you to use their products when you will be able to play the games and use the services anywhere? Do you think Netflix has an ecosystem? No they don’t..
And that was the difference between then and now. Even though games like gravity Rush, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus weren't the most profitable, Sony still made them. They took some of the budget and made games for arts sake and now it's only looking for the blockbusterYour obsession with Japan doesn't make much sense.
Those games didn't perform well and in some cases cost quite a bit (Last Guardian). The home market has shrunk due to the adoption of MOBA and a great number of games that used to perform there no longer do.
Japan is dead as a console gaming region and too much investment in it (i.e. outweighed) just so you can scratch your japan itch makes no sense...
Not to mention “Sony don’t need to do anything! Just keep making great gamez!! Market leader!!!”I find it funny how people didn't see some sort of change coming. Props to Sony for changing with the times and adapting to do what they need to grow the business. Just doing the same old thing never got anyone a new experience.
Anyway, the flip in attitude is no surprising to see, before we saw:
MS: "We are going to publish Day1 first part titles on PC"
Sony GAF: See they are going multiplatform in the next 5 years! This is the last console generation for Xbox
Sony: "We are starting to go multiplatform"
Sony GAF: They don't mean that, they mean PC
Why do people care so much about console hardware anyway? It’s not like the PS2 or PS3 anymore, where you had exotic custom hardware and it was a real treat to play games that were built specifically around its strengths.
Nowadays consoles are just budget gaming PCs, and all game engines are cross-platform and can scale from smartphone all the way to high end PC.
Who gives a shit if a game is exclusive? All that means now is that other people don’t get to play it. It’s not like it makes the game any more special.
Why do people care so much about console hardware anyway? It’s not like the PS2 or PS3 anymore, where you had exotic custom hardware and it was a real treat to play games that were built specifically around its strengths.
Nowadays consoles are just budget gaming PCs, and all game engines are cross-platform and can scale from smartphone all the way to high end PC.
Who gives a shit if a game is exclusive? All that means now is that other people don’t get to play it. It’s not like it makes the game any more special.
Nope. You can't upgrade the featuresets without changing the graphics card architecture.Do you think mid-gen refreshes can still be viable if they keep the same general performance profile as the base consoles, but upgrade the featuresets to support things that RDNA 3 or 4 might support, such as better RT and image upscaling techniques?
Nope. Not gonna happen unless Microsoft does it.Not one like on the op from usual suspects. But they'd be dropping "" if it was Xbox lol.
Interesting turn of events we have. Day one pc launch is what I make of this tho, nothing more.... maybe even switch ports.
This may be the last console generation.
Not to mention “Sony don’t need to do anything! Just keep making great gamez!! Market leader!!!”
Imagine trying to play COD online streaming? Lol i’d love to see the “pro gamers” be forced into that.Currently there seems to exist some sort of "race" towards game streaming.
Amazon, Google, Sony and Microsoft are the companies that want to be the "Netflix" of gaming. They want to push people towards cloud streaming in the long run.
It's cheaper for them to mantain a long running service than to have to convince people every single generation to buy their hardware. Instead, "subscribe yearly to our service and play from the convenience of your phone or smart TV!"
Personally I dislike the idea, but when multiple corporations invest a lot of money towards one goal, it's difficult for the industry to head towards the opposite direction.
Nintendo was always known for not giving a damn for whatever is trending, so there might still be hope.
It feels that way. But that’s not always a bad thing. Ive long felt that way about my IPhones features, but I can’t stop buying IPhones when it’s time to upgrade because it always feel refined even if a little behind tech wise.Once again Sony follows MS strategy.
Makes sense, but if the chip shortages increase the lifespan of the console artificially, I can see them making a slimmer, cheaper version in order to take advantage of that.Another thing I mentioned is that mid-gen refreshes were exclusive to last gen only. I don't think Sony is going to invest in mid-gen refreshes at this point when software is more important and more lucrative. I can see "slim" versions with updated HD space, etc.. but nothing that would be a significant change to the hardware.
Amen to that, my brother. I don't think PC ports are hurting the ps brand at all.Have been saying this for quite awhile as these release windows get shorter and shorter as its just warmer people up to the idea.
They didnt make Playstation PC for 3 year old ports
Destiny is Sony's Minecraft but for people of taste like me.
How am I wrong? What does Sony gain by continuing to manufacture consoles at this point?