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Soul Calibur III ... PS2 exclusive?

In regards to the scan of the article:

- Just because there are a few screenshots of something currently in development doesn't mean it'll hit sheles.
- Graphically it's even worse than SCII. It could be due to the scans, but those look pretty bland to me.
- I like how the article tried to diminish the value of SCII multiple times (calling it a disappointment, ill-fated number two Soul Calibur, etc), yet Gamepro gave Soul Calibur II a 5 out of 5. I guess that's a way to establish credibility with your readers. Be inconsistent!
- A small preview like this for one of the most highly regarded franchises? Please. Perhaps this is Soul Calibur Online or some other offshoot of the franchise, but if Soul Calibur 3 were to be truly revealed, I believe it would be done in a much more glamorous manner.
 
Wow, using my Ferrio Blockers (Looking past teh b00bies) I have determined that this new chick is pretty cool looking. Maybe it's just the hula hoop of death.

VF5 won't be on the Xbox. Microsoft would lose Team Ninja fealty.

<Patrick Klepek> What influenced your decision to release DOA4 on the PS3?

<Itagaki> Uhhh - I only work on, errrm. . . consoles with - with. . . symmetrical analogue sticks!
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:lol
 
Did I miss something, or are scans of U.S. magazines still not allowed on this forum (AKA, be careful, Salmon)?

Also, this is an April Fool's joke. "Gamepro" is not a real magazine.
 
Everyone can agree that SC II was a big disappointment?

What an asshole. I hate it when people assume everyone else agrees with them. Fuck that article :)
 
Yeah, let's put this on Xenon (bomb! bomb!) or PS3 next year instead of PS2 with 80+ million of users.

Err wait...

I'm glad GAF Forumites aren't running any big companies.

If you dislike Namco's decision - you don't have to buy this game you know.
 
uhh yah. Maybe they misunderstood. Even if Nintendo weren't willing to let Namco use Link in the game the sales for GC and Xbox would combined would still probably be more than PS2 sales.

There seems to be no reason to restrict yourself audience to one console when you've already developed such a solid looking userbase.
 
Wait are we sure that the booming sales of SCII on the GC were directly attributable to Link being it it? Don't multi-platform titles generally not perform well on the GC?
 
Borys said:
Yeah, let's put this on Xenon (bomb! bomb!) or PS3 next year instead of PS2 with 80+ million of users.
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Launch games tend to get pretty high sales though. Look at games like Rogue Squadron, or PGR compared to their sequels this generation. You also get to sell all those copies at $50 or more likely the new $55 or $60 price point.

Sure the PS3 has 80 million potential users, but there are so many games out for the current gen systems that most people are waiting for games to come down to $30 or $20. I assume that has to cut pretty heavily into the developer/Publishers portions of the profits.
 
Well, in all fairness, SC2 wasn't a bad game, but it was a dissapointing sequel to those who'd already spent a lot of time with the DC version. A lot of fan-favorite characters (Mitsurugi, Cervantes) were nerfed, and the balance was totally fucked.

Hopefully, if this is true, they'll use the Tekken 5 engine, and work out the framerate problems that SC2 suffered from.
 
The End said:
Well, in all fairness, SC2 wasn't a bad game, but it was a dissapointing sequel to those who'd already spent a lot of time with the DC version. A lot of fan-favorite characters (Mitsurugi, Cervantes) were nerfed, and the balance was totally fucked.

Hopefully, if this is true, they'll use the Tekken 5 engine, and work out the framerate problems that SC2 suffered from.
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Well, regarding balance, Raphael had a lot to do with totally blowing that out of whack.
 
Dr_Cogent said:
Well, regarding balance, Raphael had a lot to do with totally blowing that out of whack.
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Not to mention that they made Nightmare (1) faster and (2) gave him a 1-frame repel move.
 
SyNapSe said:
Launch games tend to get pretty high sales though. Look at games like Rogue Squadron, or PGR compared to their sequels this generation. You also get to sell all those copies at $50 or more likely the new $55 or $60 price point.

Sure the PS3 has 80 million potential users, but there are so many games out for the current gen systems that most people are waiting for games to come down to $30 or $20. I assume that has to cut pretty heavily into the developer/Publishers portions of the profits.
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Sure (I agree) but PS3 is really a Fall 2006 launch. Namco couldn't wait one and a half-year from now on. PS2 = money. This Christmas, 2005, instant.
 
Is there any chance Kratos from God of War would replace Heihachi in SCIII?
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I maintain that GAFots are totally lost on The Doctrine of Baditude that is Diaper Hetachi fighting bare handed in Soul Calibur 2, but I must admit that Kratos in SC3 is fucking hot.

Hopefully Namco will ditch those McFarlame Toy retards as well.

Still Diaper Hetachi should have had a weapon grab counter. No bad ass bare handed dude versus armed dude fight is complete without the bass ass bare handed dude just stopping the blade with his bare hands, smirking, then owning their bitch ass. WHO'S BAD?!
 
Let's see here. SCII sells well on PS2. That's a given.

SCII sells well on Gamecube, even better actually. Pretty surprising.

SCII sells well on the freakin' XBOX. Now that's an accomplishment.

Namco would be shooting themselves in the foot by limiting this game to just one system. Make it multi-console if you know what's good for you.
 
Why do you guys automatically assume that it is a bad business decision? Perhaps Sony is paying Namco more for exclusivity than they would receive in profit by putting it on the other consoles. And that's just the simplest explanation. There are so many things going on between businesses that we have no clue about.

Anyway, this sucks, especially for fans of good fighting games that don't own a PS2 (or are looking for a technically superior version of it).
 
The end your statement might have ment something if you said that maxi was nerfed, but mitsu and cervy? SC2 was a disappointment, nothing like T4, but not because of the reasons you stated.
 
It's the only current gen system that's going to be selling any significant amount this holiday season, and it already has a massive installed base. Consider SCII to be interactive advertising for SCIII.
 
Hatorade said:
The end your statement might have ment something if you said that maxi was nerfed, but mitsu and cervy? SC2 was a disappointment, nothing like T4, but not because of the reasons you stated.
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Maxi was nerfed, no doubt. You can't argue that Mitsurugi and Cervantes were stronger in SC2 than they were in Soul Calibur though.
 
Are there actually gamers out there who still don't have a PS2? Honestly, I don't understand why everyone is so pissed about this. The PS2's userbase is simply much larger than the other Nintendo's or Microsoft's. SC3 will sell just as well, if not better, on PS2.

Plus, the PS2 is the only console whose default controller works well for fighting games. I use an arcade stick so I don't really care that much but attempting to use the controller S or the GC controller with a fighting game is foolish.
 
I can't see this staying exclusive, if the article is to be believed. Namco made a TON of money having Soul Calibur 2 multiplatform. In fact, it's their single best selling game EVER!

Sony must have given Namco a billion dollars or some obscene figure to keep the franchise on their system.
 
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Ack! Namco's the new Sega. They didn't even need the merger it seems. :/


kpop100 said:
yeah because the whole online model is based on the fact that there is a large user base to subscribe to the monthly service. There are 70-80 million potential players as opposed to systems just starting out. real stupic logic by Sega there!!
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I'd imagine there's only about 10-20 million online capable PS2s. Might as well put PSU on Xbox with those numbers, at least online Xboxers have track record of paying monthly fees.


Borys said:
Yeah, let's put this on Xenon (bomb! bomb!) or PS3 next year instead of PS2 with 80+ million of users.

Err wait...

I'm glad GAF Forumites aren't running any big companies.

If you dislike Namco's decision - you don't have to buy this game you know.
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Or how about putting it on 3 platforms like it's predecessor and reaching 120+ million users? Selling 5+ million units, rather than the 2.5-3 million Tekken usually nets by being PS2 only?

Exclusives are the reason Japanese companies like Capcom, Namco, Konami and Sega have no hope of ever catching up to EA, Activision, THQ or UbiSoft. For awhile it seemed like Namco was heading down the right track (Sega too, or at least Sonic Team) but that's clearly a wash now.


Mihail said:
Perhaps Sony is paying Namco more for exclusivity than they would receive in profit by putting it on the other consoles.
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Sony's paying for 3+ million in lost unit sales? For Soul Calibur?

I dunno who's more short sighted then, Namco or SCEI? :/
 
Mihail said:
Why do you guys automatically assume that it is a bad business decision? Perhaps Sony is paying Namco more for exclusivity than they would receive in profit by putting it on the other consoles. And that's just the simplest explanation. There are so many things going on between businesses that we have no clue about.
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uhh, because it would have to be a pretty significant amount of cash. I can't really think of any reason Sony needs a new exclusive fighting game unless for some reason the VF5 rumors are true.

Even then, as I said it would have to be a big chunk of change. Instead of building on the installed base Namco gained with SCII they would be limiting themselves moving into a new hardware change. I certainly expect PS3 to steamroll the other consoles again, but you never know..
 
Salmon said:
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that scan looks so fake it's not even funny...

so after they get this big exclusive shots and info of the new Namco game they start off by dissing it's predecessor?

the whole first paragraph seems bizarre, and the exclusivity is dumbfounding...

should I believe or does someone credible actually have this magazine IN THEIR HANDS AND CAN CONFIRM?
 
Alcibiades said:
should I believe or does someone credible actually have this magazine IN THEIR HANDS AND CAN CONFIRM?
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I have the magazine sitting right next to me. It is not fake. The article seems very odd and out of place, but its there.
 
Mihail said:
Why do you guys automatically assume that it is a bad business decision? Perhaps Sony is paying Namco more for exclusivity than they would receive in profit by putting it on the other consoles. And that's just the simplest explanation. There are so many things going on between businesses that we have no clue about.
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It better be a lot of money then to destroy all the brand loyalty they built up with the previous iteration in the series. By placing itself on the xbox and Gamecube with exclusive characters it not only established itself as the hardcore fighting game for the platform but it also drew in fans who might otherwise have given it a pass (with unique fighters). Now they're going to throw away that brand equity they've built for some exclusive deal? In business terms this is a bad decision in the long run (IMO). And I serously doubt making it "PS2 exclusive" is going to draw in more than the roughly 600,000 who bought it on PS2 in the first place. Like I said, doesn't make sense unless Sony is throwing a lot of cash at Namco for this (which would be stupid for Sony as this game means relatively little in the game wars, and they already have the hardcore fighters on board this gen with Virtua Fighter and Tekken).

Just seems dumb from both sides. Not like I have anything to gain either way, but, meh. What else is a videogame message board for besides bitching about company business moves?
 
All this arguing over the word exclusive when if anything this generation has proven that the word exclusive has become quite slippery.... I wouldn't be surprised if a deal was struck to simply debut SCIII on the PS2... and that GC and Xbox versions would come a few months later... would that annoy some folks yeah...
 
OH FUCK.

I just realised what the fuck I was reading. Wasn't too keen on this news titbit thing cause I thought... yeah.. cool next gen. PS2 Exclusive?

FUCK YOU NAMCO. I'll wait til next gen before I'll buy another Soul Clibur title. If you pump too many out, the sequelitis will kill interest, especially when it won't be dramatically more visually appealing) fuck game mechanics. SCII was indeed lacklustre. FIghting games don't improve that much.
 
Odnetnin said:
FUCK YOU NAMCO. I'll wait til next gen before I'll buy another Soul Clibur title. If you pump too many out, the sequelitis will kill interest, especially when it won't be dramatically more visually appealing) fuck game mechanics. SCII was indeed lacklustre. FIghting games don't improve that much.
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SCII was lackluster? You're high... as for sequelitis... didn't Soul Calibur II come in 2003?
 
DarienA said:
All this arguing over the word exclusive when if anything this generation has proven that the word exclusive has become quite slippery.... I wouldn't be surprised if a deal was struck to simply debut SCIII on the PS2... and that GC and Xbox versions would come a few months later... would that annoy some folks yeah...
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Yeah, thats what I was saying earlier. RE4 was considered "exclusive" as well. But it's coming to the PS2 anyway, just not at the same time as the GC.
 
SCII was lackluster?
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It's the same sort of sour graping that people accuse the DOA haters of.

The main difference being, there isn't such obvious room for improvement sequel to sequel for the SC series as opposed to DOA which has BIG FLASHING WARNING SIGNS on what needs to be improved.

In the end, it's just the cruel boot of Sony Computer Entertainment crushing fanboy faces for all eternity.

To paraphrase 1984. :lol
 
DarienA said:
SCII was lackluster? You're high... as for sequelitis... didn't Soul Calibur II come in 2003?
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Yes it was. Really bad campaign mode. Lacked the sense of newness and awesomeness of the DC titles. VIsually not much improved (not by sight or wow factor) over its DC sequel (which made a HUGE visual leap from arcade to home console). The gameplay also felt really unfun for some reason and finally, the stages... well... we've seen better.

The time it came out doesn't matter. I feel that SC is one of those franchises that'd be better served on a next gen console. Same with Tekken. I can wait.
 
Odnetnin said:
Yes it was. Really bad campaign mode. Lacked the sense of newness and awesomeness of the DC titles. VIsually not much improved (not by sight or wow factor) over its DC sequel (which made a HUGE visual leap from arcade to home console). The gameplay also felt really unfun for some reason and finally, the stages... well... we've seen better.

The time it came out doesn't matter. I feel that SC is one of those franchises that'd be better served on a next gen console. Same with Tekken. I can wait.
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I'm siding with the "you're high" comment :lol

Hey, can I hit that? :D
 
Are there actually gamers out there who still don't have a PS2? Honestly, I don't understand why everyone is so pissed about this. The PS2's userbase is simply much larger than the other Nintendo's or Microsoft's. SC3 will sell just as well, if not better, on PS2.
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Why are we pissed? Maybe it's because the GC and Xbox versions were better in every way. Their picture quality blows away the PS2's. What really pisses me off is I wanted an xbox360 version with widescreen 720p support. I won't believe this news until I see someone from Namco or Sony confirming it.
 
Sorry PS2 fans, but the PS2 is an outdated, outclassed, piece of shit IMO.

Its graphics are jaggy 99% of the time. The textures muddy usually. Load times fucking suck.

I got rid of my PS2 for a reason, there was nothing I wanted that I couldn't wait for a better version of or I could just live without certain titles.

And now Namco has to go and do this (if it's true that is). Fudge the game if they are going to do this. I will wait for the franchise to appear on the next gen systems.
 
Oh well. Unless Namco seriously revamps the engine I'm not getting this. SC2 was too samey. We'll see how this thing plays.

Funny to see Namco give the middle finger to the nboyz. :P
 
Dr_Cogent said:
Sorry PS2 fans, but the PS2 is an outdated, outclassed, piece of shit IMO.

Its graphics are jaggy 99% of the time. The textures muddy usually. Load times fucking suck.

I got rid of my PS2 for a reason, there was nothing I wanted that I couldn't wait for a better version of or I could just live without certain titles.

And now Namco has to go and do this (if it's true that is). Fudge the game if they are going to do this. I will wait for the franchise to appear on the next gen systems.
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Xbot, please report to the bridge we have more damage control to that is needing emergency maitance! :lol
 
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