lightskintwin
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The problem people have is your complete denial of any western influence whatsoever to it, and that these beauty standards are ONLY an insular Korean thing, despite their current culture saying otherwise.
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South Korea's first black model faces widespread racism
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The problem people have is your complete denial of any western influence whatsoever to it, and that these beauty standards are ONLY an insular Korean thing, despite their current culture saying otherwise.
D1renegade
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Everybody else is jealous of the sun liking us more.
sechsterangriff
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Are you Dan Ryckert? lol
Calling it "authorities" is a bit of a stretch. There were kings and other tribal leaders, and yes, the Europeans did trade with them. Slave traders obviously traded for slaves.
These tribes and kingdoms often warred each-other so they had warriors and prisoners of war which they then traded.
Of course it was far from unusual for the slave traders to eventually go after the tribes they they traded with.
There was obviously a huge gap in technology and warfare, but some tribes did resist. See the story of Queen Nzinga for example.
sixteen-bit
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Ariana Miyamoto, Ms. Japan Universe 2015
Shanks D Zoro
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You mentioned Julie Roberts earlier, a pretty white all american girl. Celebs get that look, the eyes, the facial structure, the nose job. Then these surgeries become popular because that is what the celebs got.
You said you have lived here for six years, I am pretty sure you have heard Koreans talk about western eyes and know exaclty what they mean.
Koreans don't want to look like Julie Roberts, they want to look like Korean celebs who look like Julie Roberts.
travisbickle
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The guy I responded to said Korean's "worship white beauty", I don't agree. And I don't think Korean's have "white people nose" surgery. I think the majority of Koreans get surgery because looks are very important, but they get surgeries based on the looks of other Koreans.
Shanks D Zoro
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First black Korean model. Of course black people have done advertisement, but this seems to be the first time a Korean who is black has become a model. I was confused like you until I read his name and understood.
lightskintwin
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Audible Phonetics
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I find it fascinating reading about peoples experience being black in this country. Don't think I will be ever going. Japan probably first.
A lot of Korean beauty standards come from KPOP idols.
It's true that it's not 100% Western influenced but KPOP idols DO take from Western standards.
Because China is the most diverse country in that region.
There is mo reason to believe the woman didn't react like a teenage girl would with Ed Sheeran was behind the mask.
bengraven
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Staged or not, every time racism in East Asia comes up as a topic, this gif comes to mind.
A friend of mine sent me this on Facebook the other day:
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/8B80Y
Yeah this is a big issue as well.
I've had a Chinese friend who goes to Japan frequently and since she's also fluent in Japanese, she makes it a point to never bring up her actual nationality.
That said, having been to Japan myself (as a minority even) and interacted with people there, I would still recommend visiting the country in a heartbeat. With the exception of this one lazy worker at LaoX, everyone I met was incredibly polite. Although I admit it'll probably be a different story if I maybe went to the less popular areas of the country and if I wasnt lucky enough to surprisingly pass off as a Japanese person for the most part.
Some stories from SK really sound way shittier than the ones I've heard from the rest of East Asia though.
FallingEdge
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If he won a Super Bowl, he would be loved in Korea.
Granted I was only in South Korea for 3 weeks or so during the 2002 World Cup, but I never experienced any of this as a white Australian. It's actually one of the best countries I've visited based on my experiences there, every Korean person I met was incredibly welcoming. They treated me like a rock star, people were stopping me in the street to take photos with them, women were buying me drinks at bars, plenty of randoms gave me lifts back to my hotel after a drunken night, even random people in the street asked if I wanted to use their phone a few times when I looked lost.
From what we were told they hate all Americans, black or white...
Phoenix RISING
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A country where people worship white beauty so much they have the highest rate of plastic surgery in the world, doesn't like black people?
Are we just going to pretend this is not specific to black people? Nothing to do with being homogenous as they would love to live next to white people.
They just don't like black people. Let's stop with the excuses.
Yeah, feel free to make topics about this, but there's not really much "discussion" to be had.
Fixed2BeBroken
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those bars and clubs that flat out refuse foreigners, refuse allllll foreigners fyi. including korean american foreigners.
Principate
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I'm talking about both guy included. You say it's a classic staged reaction, so I'm just asking for confirmation in this particular instance.
Man they are just scared of anything that remotely feels alien, huh?
Shanks D Zoro
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Didn't know that. I guess the one time i went with a Korean American friend we got kicked out of line before he got a chance to be carded.
Messofanego
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There should be protests, really. And work to criticise or outright ban k-hip hop and other cultural appropriation until Koreans start treating black people like humans.
No offense to him but he sounds like a lot of white expats I've met before, they're there to exploit what they claim doesn't exist, so they can tell themselves they're treated better because they deserve it.
I'm only surprised in that Koreans are two faced assholes and usually suck up to mixed raced kids or adoptees if they are attractive/rich/famous. Like Hines Ward or Benson Henderson. Or how that one "dad" came out crying claiming he "lost" his son at the market after he ended up on the US Olympic team.
I guess this dude is "too dark" to let it slide.
Koreans are horrible.
I guess this dude is "too dark" to let it slide.
Koreans are horrible.
Well, whatever the initial reason, it was exacerbated by a hundred years of global Hollywood.
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Ironically, they'll start liking black folks if more black politicians make decisions about their country.
You need a strong intelligent black politician telling them whats what. You had Obama for that, but you need a whole group of them to really sink it in. I doubt they had a good image of Caucasians until europeans came around and made decisions that impacted them directly.
You need a strong intelligent black politician telling them whats what. You had Obama for that, but you need a whole group of them to really sink it in. I doubt they had a good image of Caucasians until europeans came around and made decisions that impacted them directly.
Fixed2BeBroken
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yea, they look for the korean ID. If you pull out a passport, you are kicked out. period. Doesnt matter your race.
Always-honest
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Racism is widespread everywhere. For every openminded rational kind person, there are 100 ignorant dumbasses. In every country.
Laieon
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I've lived in Gyeonggido and Jeollabukdo. Most of my Korean friends are college students (or are finishing up their military service). I've been dating a Korean for the past 2 years. My experience has been the complete opposite of this, the younger generation is significantly more likely to interact and welcome foreigners than the previous generation, who largely ignore us. They tend to be a lot more traveled than their older counterparts and are definitely more exposed to foreign culture.
Those Koreans who are against foreigners tend to be against them for the same reasons as in the west - there's not a ton of jobs available in Korea (especially for younger people) and they see them as a threat (same reason a lot of them aren't exactly looking forward to reunification).
Speaking of Obama, he was insanely well liked here. Donald Trump (a white man)? Not so much.
They will give up. Because the industry will freeze the agency out and they will have no choice if they want to continue to do business.
The reaction doesn't surprise me. What I have often wondered about though is how black fans of Kpop and Korean dramas feel about idolising celebrities and figures that hail from a country where dark skin is so despised. Isn't the aversion towards dark skin far stronger in south Korea than it is in Japan or China? How do you overlook those cultural views in the knowledge that the celebs you idolise likely harbour those very same views (more so because they are in the entertainment industry where there is a special emphasis on appearance)?
cartographer
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An important distinction.
Or even just ask white people whether they want a black American as their neighbor. It will be higher if they are being honest. I remember when I was little and my friend was moving away from the neighborhood. I asked why, "Dad says there are too many black people now."
White flight is a thing.
The racism in Japan is far less apparent than in Korea, hence my disappointment in Korea since even their neighbors are more libral
I can't comment on China though Although I have a friend who went there for 1 year and said that he had great time
Yup.
If white people are being treated as better or equal or only slightly worse than locals, it's because they succeeded in cultural dominance through Hollywood.
Asia have limited interactions and understanding of black people, it's not as excuse to be ignorant but I'm pointing out that the Hollywood halo effect is real.
Culture can change a race perception overtime.
Fixed2BeBroken
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Korea is also influenced by a history of US military presence and anectdotal evidence by the diaspora. 18 years olds of any ethnic background aren't the best ambassadors of a country/culture. And what Koreans hear from relatives who immigrated, primarily to the US isn't so great either.
And it reflects. Having been to orphanages in the Seoul area, a good number of the kids are clearly biracial black. It's fucking heart wrenching. Those kids have a markedly harder future in that society.
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I heard this from a woman who complained about going to Japan and people were angry at her for wearing perfume.
East Asian people hardly need deodorant/perfume so you don't expect people to smell strongly on public transport. I think that's what this is.
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But for real SK has racism issues even with Irish people. And go outside of Seoul and people get legit scared if you're black.
Aquavelvaman
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Okay
Almost all Korean and most Japanese people have a genetic mutation, where they do not have the gene ABCC11. Along with producing dry earwax, it also doesn't allow for sebaceous glands which excrete the oils associated with body odor.
That's cool, generalize and insult an entire race. There's nothing ironic about this post at all.
I have a lifetime of experience of which to draw on.
I love them and hate them. I will sing their praises when I need to, but I'm not going to sugarcoat the bad stuff.
Koreans are two faced. It's cultural.