Yeah, kind of an odd end. I like that they didn't shove PC is good/bad down people's throats at the end and just kinda left it up to the viewer to decide how they felt about it, though.
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Yeah, kind of an odd end. I like that they didn't shove PC is good/bad down people's throats at the end and just kinda left it up to the viewer to decide how they felt about it, though.
Demon Lizardman
Banned
Eh, very underwhelming, this season to me has had some good points but I found the humor to be very low. Surprised to see PC Principle stay even though he's an ad. Maybe he'll die next season, miss chokesondick didn't stay forever.
The best part of the episode was the opening with PC Principal killing those ads.
I think if anything they should have used the gun show at the ending to kill off an old character, it would have really stamped the season with a memorable note for its conclusion.
Baroquemantic
Member
I think the show said he wasn't an ad, and that they created an ad with him in it to mislead him into thinking he's an ad.
Demon Lizardman
Banned
I thought he was an ad gone rogue.
No, they said he was used by the ads.
Demon Lizardman
Banned
Huh, probably forgot about it, still, there were so many subplots that it feels like it's a cliffhanger to the next season. Whole foods is gone so does that mean that sodasopa are back? Kyle seemed to be dicked around a lot this season, thought he would have his chance to shine again at the end but I guess not.
Also, I thogh Reality would come back to life and save everything but I guess not.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I felt like the season went no where once they introduced this ad conspiracy. Somehow gentrification is bad?
A lot of times, gentrification displaces people from their homes because they get pushed out of the market, so, yes, it can be bad.
tiredheadcrab
Member
This felt a little rushed to be honest. I have a feeling there will be more next season. Overall i enjoyed it and got many good laughs.
Ghost_Messiah
Member
Enjoyed it. The gun pointing jokes were hilarious and it was a decent finale. Though also disappointing. To echo everyone else I also felt it was anti-climactic. Previous episodes constructed this fascinating narrative that kept on ascending and I think a story like that needed a cathartic, satisfying conclusion and this felt too underwhelming and insufficient to be an appropriate finisher to all that. It needed more. I think the very end was where it fell apart. I was expecting some kind of dramatic, explosive ending and instead PC Principal punched Leslie and then it was like the episode was rushing to the end and didn't actually conclude. Those final few minutes were where it faltered.
Overall though pretty amazing season. Enjoyed the hell out of it. Mostly consistent with the last. It genuinely did feel like a South Park movie that was stretched over the season.
Overall though pretty amazing season. Enjoyed the hell out of it. Mostly consistent with the last. It genuinely did feel like a South Park movie that was stretched over the season.
theincredibleone
Banned
The season was great the finale was flat.
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
I don't want more PC Principal. His shtick is old.
Other than him coming back I enjoyed the finale, but it did seem a little underwhelming.
Other than him coming back I enjoyed the finale, but it did seem a little underwhelming.
I just can't get enough of Trey doing the PC Principal voice lol, it's so good.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
They fumbled the ending, could've really been a two parter.
BLOODED_hands
Member
Well, there it goes. If only we all had guns right?
That gun show was dumb lol. Was half expecting Cartman to actually shoot somebody.
That gun show was dumb lol. Was half expecting Cartman to actually shoot somebody.
I thought for sure Kenny was getting shot. Season ended with a whimper. Disappointed.
Eh, Matt & Trey had a problem with satisfying conclusions for a while now, it's to be expected. It was still better than season 18 ending which was completely fumbled.
It was an okay episode I guess. "Purina Gun Show" was great and it seems curious that they are already setting up season 20.
It was an okay episode I guess. "Purina Gun Show" was great and it seems curious that they are already setting up season 20.
ShadowElliot
Banned
I enjoyed this episode, especially with the kids easily getting guns. I knew the Whole Foods wouldn't stay in town, but not this way! Just thought it would be Wall-Mart style. The ending was a bit flat, though. I was expecting someone to get shot in the end. But, Leslie finally got to shut up.
SenorArdilla
Member
Should have been an hour-long special instead of showing it twice. 20 minutes of build-up and a disappointing climax. PC Principal shutting up Leslie was entertaining though.
Calm waterfall
Banned
It was an ok finale, but i was a bit disappointed tbh. I expected much more.
I was waiting until this season was wrapped up to say for sure, but the ads angle sort of threw the final couple of episodes off-track.
It felt like a really random tangent that wasn't connected with the other points they were making throughout the season.
In general, they blew a lot of moments that could have been cathartic by rushing through the ending.
It felt like a really random tangent that wasn't connected with the other points they were making throughout the season.
In general, they blew a lot of moments that could have been cathartic by rushing through the ending.
Ghost_Messiah
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Yeah definitely rushed. There was even foreshadowing to Kyle giving a speech when he had that conversation with Leslie which inferred a wrap-up redemption speech from him was coming (finishing that plot line with him they'd been building all season) and then one never came. Trey and Matt must have been time constrained on this one or something which happens sometimes because of their "6 days to air" release schedule. This one definitely felt rushed and even somewhat unfinished.
The first half felt complete and fully realised and then the second half didn't. It's like the episode didn't successfully conclude.
HeavyMetalLover91
Member
Like others, enjoyed the season and the continuity has been great fun. I think it's time for South Park to go back to one-off random episodes now though. I feel season 18 had the right balance of continuity, minor references rather than a whole arc. Like, I don't know but even for South Park it just felt a bit dumb. Like, what were the stakes? That ads were gonna take over? It feels like they had a cool idea and then didn't know what to do with it. I love the continuity aspect but they should only do it if they actually have it planned out, this feels like it was made up as they went along.
I miss episodes of the kids just being kids, like the Toilet Paper episode, or Good Times with Weapons.
I miss episodes of the kids just being kids, like the Toilet Paper episode, or Good Times with Weapons.
it's been one season after 18 of the 'old' formula, if anything they should keep going with the new formula
timetokill
Banned
Nononono don't shoot grandpa, just literally take care of him
A lot of people seem confused, but Nathan spelled out the entire concept of the season and how it all tied together.
"What is PC but a verbal form of gentrification? Spruce everything up, get rid of all the ugliness in order to create a false sense of paradise? Only one thing can actually live in that world: ads."
The whole premise is whether reality can coexist with the imaginary world that you see in PC discussions, gentrified neighborhoods, or ads themselves.
We saw how reality was killed in order to maintain the illusion that South Park wanted for itself, but also how reality is really not bound by the "laws" of PC culture as they walked right into the PC frat house safe space.
PC, gentrification, and ads all play on our fantasies but are at the same time unrealistic. South Park can't really sustain a Whole Foods, nor do they really feel the way the idealized, fictional "Whole Foods Shopper" does -- and even if they did, they couldn't afford to donate huge amounts to charity all the time. They get a good ego-stroke out of criticizing the police for how they treat the less fortunate, but then when the less fortunate become inconvenient, they agree to look the other way.
What ends up happening is in order to maintain that self-satisfaction and personal self-image, you have to keep pushing down others, so you look for enemies (as you could see with Randy calling his wife a bigot for a harmless statement). And since everyone is doing that, everyone becomes paranoid and is constantly LOOKING for injury so they can get that high ground.
Ultimately the moral comes down to a classic Bill and Ted "Be Excellent To Each Other" thing, and maybe that's a letdown, but it's not like they haven't been pointing at it all season. I thought it was refreshing that they didn't actually kill PC Principal, since he was the only actually genuinely "PC" person there. He wasn't there to "Crush Puss" like his frat buddies, he wasn't there for a sense of purpose and self-superiority like Randy.
And while "PC-ness" can be infuriating in how it manifests in many people as a weapon of its own (like its own gun), some people really are just trying to make the world a better place.
Finally, the tied into ISIS several times this season, and PC Principal's closing statement about "the new enemy" that is "trying to attract our youth" and so on felt relevant to that. "The only thing that distinguishes those who want to kill us from those who don't, is that we have the burning desire for social justice." Basically that deep down we love and respect each other, as the people of South Park learned when they finally dropped the pretense and told each other what they felt over the barrel of a gun.
Anyway, I loved this season. I can't wait for the next one.
A lot of people seem confused, but Nathan spelled out the entire concept of the season and how it all tied together.
"What is PC but a verbal form of gentrification? Spruce everything up, get rid of all the ugliness in order to create a false sense of paradise? Only one thing can actually live in that world: ads."
The whole premise is whether reality can coexist with the imaginary world that you see in PC discussions, gentrified neighborhoods, or ads themselves.
We saw how reality was killed in order to maintain the illusion that South Park wanted for itself, but also how reality is really not bound by the "laws" of PC culture as they walked right into the PC frat house safe space.
PC, gentrification, and ads all play on our fantasies but are at the same time unrealistic. South Park can't really sustain a Whole Foods, nor do they really feel the way the idealized, fictional "Whole Foods Shopper" does -- and even if they did, they couldn't afford to donate huge amounts to charity all the time. They get a good ego-stroke out of criticizing the police for how they treat the less fortunate, but then when the less fortunate become inconvenient, they agree to look the other way.
What ends up happening is in order to maintain that self-satisfaction and personal self-image, you have to keep pushing down others, so you look for enemies (as you could see with Randy calling his wife a bigot for a harmless statement). And since everyone is doing that, everyone becomes paranoid and is constantly LOOKING for injury so they can get that high ground.
Ultimately the moral comes down to a classic Bill and Ted "Be Excellent To Each Other" thing, and maybe that's a letdown, but it's not like they haven't been pointing at it all season. I thought it was refreshing that they didn't actually kill PC Principal, since he was the only actually genuinely "PC" person there. He wasn't there to "Crush Puss" like his frat buddies, he wasn't there for a sense of purpose and self-superiority like Randy.
And while "PC-ness" can be infuriating in how it manifests in many people as a weapon of its own (like its own gun), some people really are just trying to make the world a better place.
Finally, the tied into ISIS several times this season, and PC Principal's closing statement about "the new enemy" that is "trying to attract our youth" and so on felt relevant to that. "The only thing that distinguishes those who want to kill us from those who don't, is that we have the burning desire for social justice." Basically that deep down we love and respect each other, as the people of South Park learned when they finally dropped the pretense and told each other what they felt over the barrel of a gun.
Anyway, I loved this season. I can't wait for the next one.
D.Lo
Member
Maybe just me after reading early responses in this thread, but I loved the ending!
The whole gun joke is classic Trey, designed to piss off everyone.
And the PC=gentrification thing, not perfect but a petty good analogy.
PC Principal was too good to kill too, great (permanent?) edition.
The whole gun joke is classic Trey, designed to piss off everyone.
And the PC=gentrification thing, not perfect but a petty good analogy.
Yep, nailed it.
PC Principal was too good to kill too, great (permanent?) edition.
PC Principal for the late game save! Happy they're keeping him on. No idea how next season will play out if the final moments are anything to go by. Glad they kept pushing the message that everyone needs to stop curling up into their own little gated community and listen to one another up till the end of the season. One side winning over the other would have been a disappointing and reductive outcome. Gun jokes were great - I wonder if they'll have a part next season where guns are great until the first shot is fired and everything descends into pandemonium. The Whole Foods bit was also great if for nothing more than the unexpected confrontation between it and Randy.
Ziltoidia 9
Member
This so much, I've been noticing this all year in our politics. Everyone wants to feel like they are true true morality figures.
Demon Lizardman
Banned
I think Matt and Trey do better when the focus on seasons with a bit of a continuing plot but not much of one like this season. It's clear they were getting tired of making fun of PC and wanted to make fun of ads, instead what happened is they tried to find a way to connect them but all they did was kind of weaken everything.
Kind of a failure on their part. Good season, not the best imo, but I want them to go back to trying again next season or just going back to their old formula which is fine.
Kind of a failure on their part. Good season, not the best imo, but I want them to go back to trying again next season or just going back to their old formula which is fine.
I dunno, last season was kind of like this one too. They had several storylines that kept being revisited, most notably the Randy is Lorde thing. I liked this season's continuity a lot more than last season's, though.
Eh... I think this is easier on them than expecting stand alone episodes every week. But I didn't think that episode was all that great. I don't know what message they were getting across with it all.
I just think the build-up to having ads be the big bad in all of this was unsatisfying. And Kyle never got any resolution or acknowledgment for being so deceived and being led on like Jimmy was. It kinda just ended.
I just think the build-up to having ads be the big bad in all of this was unsatisfying. And Kyle never got any resolution or acknowledgment for being so deceived and being led on like Jimmy was. It kinda just ended.
perfectchaos007
Member
Yeah that ending was underwhelming given the 10 episode build up. Hopefully they go back to nonsequitur episodes next season.
Speedydonut
Member
An African-American flips a turtle over on it's back. A trans-gender Filipino comes and sees the helpless turtle baking in the sun. What color is the Filipino's father?
Spieler Eins
Member
So all the buildup for nothing. They really can't come up with funny overall stories anymore to put their commentary into. Even if they couldn't come up with a new villain, still many older ones would have been a fit for sending ads. I know they hated Crab People because it was a half baked idea from them back in the day, but even that was much funnier than nothingness like this and just shows the drop in quality/creativity of the new seasons, despite some chuckles. I guess PC princicple is an entertaining enough new character, but also not really in a ,,hilarious" sense.
Hoping at least the second game will deliver like the first, which was way better than the seasons after 10.
Hoping at least the second game will deliver like the first, which was way better than the seasons after 10.
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