I love the new SP game and it's one of the funniest games ever made. If there are jokes in the game you don't like then just avoid the game. I don't think anyone is ever going to be forced to play the game, just like no one is forced to watch the TV show. Matt and Trey's humor definitely isn't for everyone, but they are the best at what they do.
you sure about that?
I feel like you hold matt and trey in too high regard, sometimes they fuck up jokes. Or forget what jokes are and just come across mean spirited
How is the use of blackface here satirical in anyway shape or form?
I do, they're clearly socially highly concious, that's the whole point of South Park. They have brought immense attention and criticism to social issues through their art.
Some of you keep referring to this as a "joke" yet nobody's answering my question or explaining how it's funny or even meant to be?
They can't because there is no joke. It's just a mammy fish for no reason but to be a mammy fish.
And why shouldn't they crticize getting offended. Everyone possibly gets offended on every opposite side of any spectrum. Criticizing being offended is a valid social criticism.Yeah, they're so highly conscious about social issues that they tried to normalize a gay slur. They sure brought a lot of criticism towards gay people who get offended over it.
Quantum racism in serious play ITT
Dude dont even try and go there. This dude, I'm not even sure he knows what racism even means.
I got a wall of abuse/text as if I am some racist when in reality I couldnt be further from it, it's all projection and bullshit, dont get dragged in imo.
Yeah.. then I think they need to just shut up now. Making up bullshit to defend racism isn't a good look
Someone just told you about how racism impacts their daily life and why it isn't a joke, and your response was ”please don't say fuck please... why are you angry at me...".
Come on dude. You're really gonna shittalk someone who responded to you seriously like this just so you can dismiss their argument? If you want to talk about being too sensitive...
It's how fish are drawn in South Park and then they pallet swapped it to be a black fish.
This argument fails because Kanye is a different colorI do, they're clearly socially highly concious, that's the whole point of South Park. They have brought immense attention and criticism to social issues through their art.
It's how fish are drawn in South Park and then they pallet swapped it to be a black fish. If anything it's a commentary on how we're all just the same fish regardless of color
Thats not really what is happening. This thread is too sensitive a topic, Race/Religion/Politics in forums is a recipe for disaster, nothing comes across well in text form when dealing with such emotive topics. I hope this thread is locked before it gets even more out of control and we arent even discussing gaming anymore.
Actually they gave it just red lips. It's the same model its just a color swap of the Kanye fishAnd gave it big red lips.
And big earrings.
But keep covering your eyes, it's a great way to enter a discussion.
This is my opinion on this as well.The joke itself is fine, it's just that the depiction of Kanye's mom as a mammy stereotype, in a way that is not meant to satirize the way we handle racial/ethnic stereotyping in real life ala City Wok/the Coon, is of no value, comedic or otherwise. The only thing it can be is hurtful and thus is in uniquely bad taste far different from the satirical purposes in which other stereotypes exist within the series. Unintentional or otherwise, the depiction is racist and is presented free from satire in a way that is uncharacteristic for the series
Actually they gave it just red lips. It's the same model its just a color swap of the Kanye fish
Are you really saying that LGBTQ people should be criticized for being offended by the use and attempted normalization of fag? That episode has been used time and time again (yes, even here on GAF) by non-LGBTQ people to shout down arguments because "South Park said it was okay and it doesn't mean that anymore" or "I'm just trying to take the power out of the word like South Park did".And why shouldn't they crticize getting offended. Everyone possibly gets offended on every opposite side of any spectrum. Criticizing being offended is a valid social criticism.
How is the use of blackface here satirical in anyway shape or form?
Kanye supporting Trump, a nazi sympathizer, is far worse/more offensive/racist than any joke that anyone could possibly tell about his mom. I don't feel one ounce of sympathy for him. Too late for Kanye to be like "I don't support him anymore" either. South Park guys are joking around. Kanye literally said "if I voted I would have voted for Trump"....so stop defending him and whatever kind of person raised him to be that stupid.
I still think Kanye is a great rapper/producer, for what it's worth.
Quantum racism in serious play ITT
This isnt even about gaming anymore.....
Why do you think it's not intentional?
What's with them and this obsession with Kanyes mom.
Oh and of course the South Park defense squad at work.
What's with them and this obsession with Kanyes mom.
Oh and of course the South Park defense squad at work.
Because quite simply it's great fun winding the likes of him (and you) up.
Oh and of course the South Park defense squad at work.
Funny how no one who's defending this can actually explain the satiristical element of this supposed joke.
Kanye's mother died because of complications from plastic surgery that he paid for.
Kanye West is an arsehole who cannot take a joke.
South Park had an episode about him not taking a joke involving a fish.
People who have plastic surgery often end up with fish looking lips.
Kanye is very sore over the death of his mother and still can't take the south park joke.
Kanye's mother is a fish with funny lips.
I hope this helps the hard of thinking process things.
To be clear, Im not saying they should patch it out or something. Im saying its a bad idea that they shouldnt have had to begin with and certainly shouldnt have put in the game (among many other things).
Also, cmon dude, a racist joke mocking someone wanting to make a tribute to their late mother (whose passing significantly impacted their life) isnt really an essential part of the game that only a true mature adult values or something something, is it?
And if a comedian made a joke that shitty live I would sorta hope someone would speak up.
If she was green then it would be more than apparent that she was Kanye's mom because she'd have the same skin colour as him... plus you know, he directly refers to her as mom.
Also by the same logic the joke doesn't work visually because Kanye isn't black too.
Good jokes and racist jokes come from the same place. If you're going to use joke based around minorities you need to be careful with them, especially if you're a couple of white guys. Lindsey Ellis did a great video on Mel Brooks and covers why this line of thought is an issue here.
Beyond that part of criticism is being free to say it's racist and shouldn't be used. That anybody who is okay with this kind of thing should seriously reconsider their view instead of just pretending like it's not intentionally racist or not caring about it because they're not the group being targeted.
Mental gymnastics in defense of unmistakable mammy imagery.
Kanye's mother died because of complications from plastic surgery that he paid for.
Kanye West is an arsehole who cannot take a joke.
South Park had an episode about him not taking a joke involving a fish.
People who have plastic surgery often end up with fish looking lips.
Kanye is very sore over the death of his mother and still can't take the south park joke.
Kanye's mother is a fish with funny lips.
I hope this helps the hard of thinking process things.
Kanye's mother died because of complications from plastic surgery that he paid for.
Kanye West is an arsehole who cannot take a joke.
South Park had an episode about him not taking a joke involving a fish.
People who have plastic surgery often end up with fish looking lips.
Kanye is very sore over the death of his mother and still can't take the south park joke.
Kanye's mother is a fish with funny lips.
I hope this helps the hard of thinking process things.
I mean, like, I don't particularly want to partake in any discussion in this thread, because none of it is particularly constructive, and all pretty toxic (regardless about which stance you take on the whole thing)
FTFYLet me make my racist jokes in peace
I feel like this is no more or less racist than the City Wok/ Mongolian jokes from Stick of Truth.
I understand many people have moved on past South Park's humor, but, is this not just what they do?
Seriously, god damn lmao. South Park has countless racist jokes about Asians and is hardly ever criticized yet this dumb little joke has people on the verge of mental breakdowns. Cannot believe people are still getting so upset about South Park.
Seriously, god damn lmao. South Park has countless racist jokes about Asians and is hardly ever criticized yet this dumb little joke has people on the verge of mental breakdowns. Cannot believe people are still getting so upset about South Park.
What a surprise, a thread full of white dudes saying there's no big deal about blackface. I'm truly shocked.
Lets even things up with some whiteface.