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Spicer: "Even Hitler didn't sink to using Chemical Weapons" (Actually, he did)
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Gordon Shumway
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His daughter is Jewish, and no one handles her like daddy..
I mean, technically, even a knife is a chemical weapon. The blade has all of those chemical elements in them, after all.
What isn't a chemical weapon? ¯\_(ツ
_/¯LookAtMeGo
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But they are not weapons in that context. Just methods of execution.... WAAAAT!?
Why are you people arguing about gas chambers? Spicer was obviously refering to chemical weapons used in a battlefield. It was used as a method of extermination in camps, but as far as I know, it was never used to bomb civilians or soldiers on a battlefield, even though Germany had the means to do so.
It was very similar to the atomic bomb in a way, everybody had it, but nobody wanted to use it in fear of retaliation after what happened during WW1.
It was very similar to the atomic bomb in a way, everybody had it, but nobody wanted to use it in fear of retaliation after what happened during WW1.
Oh man
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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When you convince stupid people that they're actually the smart ones and that they all need to get out and vote for a reality TV show host for President, this is what you get.
2Smashed4U
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Round 2...FIGHT.
Version 3.0
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Up next: bullets are not weapons. Let's discuss that instead of the pervasive gun violence problem we have in this country, or the latest mass shooting.
FinaruDensetsu
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Cause his boss is also a fucking piece of shit moron.
Ha nah. it was used in battle. Already been posted.
triplestation
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haha
WhiteRabbitEXE
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A couple things here.
Firstly, as other have said, the Germans actually did deploy chemical weapons a handful of times during World War II.
That out of the way, even if you decide to arbitrarily split hairs over the definition of a "weapon" -
even if you accept his clarifications that he was specifically talking about indiscriminately deploying chemical weapons upon population centers via airplane -
even if you ignore the antisemetic implications of some of his awkward phrasing -
Illustrating the evilness of Assad's actions through softening Adolf Fucking Hitler by stating that Hitler didn't *specifically* use airplanes to deploy deadly gas (he "only" "just" marched millions into gas chambers and ovens and laboratories and before firing squads and into camps to literally work to death) is remarkably fucking inappropriate. And if you're going to get into bullshit semantic debates to ignore that, well that's remarkably fucking inappropriate as well, and you're going to have to explain why the fuck you thought it was a good idea to chime in to begin with.
Firstly, as other have said, the Germans actually did deploy chemical weapons a handful of times during World War II.
That out of the way, even if you decide to arbitrarily split hairs over the definition of a "weapon" -
even if you accept his clarifications that he was specifically talking about indiscriminately deploying chemical weapons upon population centers via airplane -
even if you ignore the antisemetic implications of some of his awkward phrasing -
Illustrating the evilness of Assad's actions through softening Adolf Fucking Hitler by stating that Hitler didn't *specifically* use airplanes to deploy deadly gas (he "only" "just" marched millions into gas chambers and ovens and laboratories and before firing squads and into camps to literally work to death) is remarkably fucking inappropriate. And if you're going to get into bullshit semantic debates to ignore that, well that's remarkably fucking inappropriate as well, and you're going to have to explain why the fuck you thought it was a good idea to chime in to begin with.
Mass murder prisoners, not free soldiers or civilians. Do you consider electric chair to be a weapon? What about a shooting squad? Lethal injection? In my opinion there's a pretty clear distinction between weapons and methods of execution, but maybe I'm wrong.
According to the Wikipedia article Nazis could've possibly even won in the Normandy had the used the nerve gas that they had, but they didn't in fear of retaliation from the Allies (which doesn't really make sense, since they were already in a war?).
Which, again, makes Spicers comments even more dubious because it seems to implicate that the White House has made the officially drawn the line in the sand in Syria BEYOND HITLER.
Like, wtf.
And then, they've said that even though Assad is beyond Hitler, we still won't be taking refugees.
Trojita
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I find some irony in you saying this while having a username and avatar from an anime movie about a 1950's Japan that was conquered by Nazi Germany.
Just got to see somebody try to defend this. When I pointed out "don't actually use "worse than Hitler" in a proffessionsl context, ever" was a remarkably low bar that you'd have to be exceptionally incompetent to fail to meet and then double down on, the response was "seems like that's just been everyone with that job title for the last 20 years."
I give up on people.
I give up on people.
ElectricBlanketFire
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"Why are you people arguing about gas chambers?"
*proceeds to argue about gas chambers*
Netherscourge
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Every fucking week with this shit show administration.
Now, he's comparing one genocidal murderer to another genocidal murderer and using weaponized murder gas vs. systemic state-sponsored murder gas as a measuring stick for depravity.
And SOMEHOW, HITLER COMES OUT LOOKING BETTER, even though he killed some 1.3 million Jews with HIS gas chambers!?!?!?!?
WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK.
Now, he's comparing one genocidal murderer to another genocidal murderer and using weaponized murder gas vs. systemic state-sponsored murder gas as a measuring stick for depravity.
And SOMEHOW, HITLER COMES OUT LOOKING BETTER, even though he killed some 1.3 million Jews with HIS gas chambers!?!?!?!?
WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK.
King Tubby
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In what world does this seem like a smart thing to say?
Like Spicer I expect a clarification that digs a deeper hole.
We Happy Few?
That's why I said "as far as I know". It may have probably been used in some battles but not widely. Do you have any articles talking about it?
Meh. Is the poison that is used in lethal injections a weapon? Is bullet a weapon? But yeah, maybe I'm getting too hung up on semantics. I'll leave now
I think that that was a pretty stupid comment from Spicer to make, but mostly just because it makes an easy target to outrage on and can be misinterpreted quite easily.SeaOfMadness
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yep and they are missing the point. you can debate about whether a gas chamber is technically a "weapon" or not BUT THAT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER, because the point of the statement was to make Assad sound somehow worse than Hitler using a ridiculously tenuous premise
Chocolate & Vanilla
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Yes sorry, got confused -been almost 20 years since my History A-Level. Have refreshed my memory now.
It was Phosgene gas that was used in grenade form, though as Rawrasaurus said, only in one battle. Have edited my original post to correct it to avoid misinforming.
crowphoenix
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I mean, do they line up outside the thread? Is there a chatroom somewhere that queues them up? They seem to only come in one at a time.
Mass murder prisoners, not free soldiers or civilians. Do you consider electric chair to be a weapon? What about a shooting squad? Lethal injection? In my opinion there's a pretty clear distinction between weapons and methods of execution, but maybe I'm wrong.
According to the Wikipedia article Nazis could've possibly even won in the Normandy had the used the nerve gas that they had, but they didn't in fear of retaliation from the Allies (which doesn't really make sense, since they were already in a war
Stop
Meh. Is the poison that is used in lethal injections a weapon? Is bullet a weapon? But yeah, maybe I'm getting too hung up on semantics. I'll leave now
LookAtMeGo
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Maybe they saw how much people like to call their supporters Nazis and compare this admin to the third reich. This was his chance to deflect that criticism on someone else. Fucked if I know.
Berenstein dimension
hey bro, shooting squad guns aren't weapons cuz they're a used in a method of execution
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"If a nation has chemical weapon stockpiles and uses said chemicals on imprisoned civilians, they don't stop being chemical weapons. If Syria, instead of bombing had exposed detained civilians with the same chemicals, nobody would be calling it anything but "chemical weapons".
I know you're not denying the holocaust, it's just not a good thing to get hung up on semantics over.
I think your concern is pretty misplaced here. Which is rightly raising some eyebrows.Meh. Is the poison that is used in lethal injections a weapon? Is bullet a weapon? But yeah, maybe I'm getting too hung up on semantics. I'll leave now
WhiteRabbitEXE
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No, that was the good dimension we came from. This, the Stain dimension, is the fucked one.
iRAWRasaurus
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I guess there is a difference between bombing and just letting it fill slowly fill a chamber in which civilians such as German Jews and other holocaust victims were placed in.
/s
Saint Gregory
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If it weren't for the thread we're in I'd have no idea which specific member of Team Trump you were talking about.
So the only thing propping your asinine opinion has been shown to be false and you think a "as far as I know" is enough to shield you from the fallout? You look up the articles, you have fingers (I imagine) and access to a computer and "as far as I know" www.google.com still works.
SeaOfMadness
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phew! good to know they have *some* moral decency. I mean using chemicals to exterminate innocent civilians is one thing, but using it against an enemy solider? i'm so glad that's where they drew the line
Host Samurai
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How he can say that in 2017. What an idiot.
BronsonLee
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This is certainly escalating real fast
Spicey really fucked up now
Spicey really fucked up now
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