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[Callibretto]

how were the movies villains? fight scenes decent?

I won't be seeing this until its out on netflix, spoil me, I dont care!

Vulture is great, but I think he don't have as much scenes in the movies as Green Goblin or Doc Octopus in their movie. in Spider-Man 1 and 2, you get the full origin story of the villain, they are the focus of the movie as much as Spider-Man himself.

in Homecoming, you got short prologue of Vulture origin and you move forward to Vulture already established. Spider-Man himself don't have the personal connection to Vulture early on, so you don't get the same kind of personal drama Green Goblin and Doc Octopus get.

Homecoming's focus is mostly on the character Peter Parker, you get to see him doing all sort of thing and in various situation that is just fun to watch.

it's a great movie.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I loved Spider-Man 2, but I always hate the aspect that Peter can subconsciously lose his power randomly and he can totally shut off all his power when he decide to stop being Spider-Man to the point that he need glasses again.

I mean I buy it from a similar angle as like someone whose sex drive maybe had a quiet stretch for a bit because they can't get in a good headspace, or an artist who goes through a dry spell where they just hit a block and hate everything they do.

 

[Slayven]

I loved Spider-Man 2, but I always hate the aspect that Peter can subconsciously lose his power randomly and he can totally shut off all his power when he decide to stop being Spider-Man to the point that he need glasses again.

Me too, his body was mutated, you can't unthink a mutation

 

[sackboy2197]

Cause they wete doin that shit in that man's warehouse apartment

Yes it's fucking dumb

Thanks, I thought maybe I was missing something there.

 

[Number_6]

Oh, and I also liked the bit where Happy reveals that Tony is building Cap a new shield. So he's forgiven him?

Maybe they were referring to the weird prototype shield that appeared in Iron Man 2 and was unceremoniously used to prop up the particle accelerator.

The ups and downs of her career throughout the trilogy shaped her character. She ended the trilogy a much stronger woman than she was in Spidey 1.

Umm, what? Exactly how? I see absolutely nothing to indicate this.

Like was it because she went from serving burgers in a diner in 1 to serving cocktails at a lounge in 3? Which is heavier??

The Importance of Being Earnest helps shed light on MJ's arc from her being betrayed by Peter and the acceptance of all the things that have occurred. Her growth is more about accepting these things happen and they're, well, trivial. Then Spider-Man 3 just shits on it, so, ya.

So, it's not okay to exclude specific mention of Uncle Ben and expect the audience--who are there to see Spider-Man (again)--to already know what's up with Spidey's origin and motivations, but it is okay to expect the Spider-Man viewing audience to know about a totally unrelated play and rely on it to clue them in on Mary Jane's development? Lol, sure dude.

 

[Inferno313]

So, it's not okay to exclude specific mention of Uncle Ben and expect the audience--who are there to see Spider-Man (again)--to already know what's up with Spidey's origin and motivations, but it is okay to expect the Spider-Man viewing audience to know about a totally unrelated play and rely on it to clue them in on Mary Jane's development? Lol, sure dude

The idea is called intertextuality and is a fairly basic concept in any college-level film or literature course. Using another work as a lens through which to explore character or theme is not uncommon or ground-breaking stuff. That's the stuff that makes a work richer. I can't believe we're treating that as a bad thing, y'all are off your rocker.

 

[Deepwater]

Can you imagine how strong this Spidey would be once he reaches his peak physical development? I wonder if they're going to have Tom Holland wear platforms like RDJ in his shoes to simulate growth (cause @ 21 he's pretty much done growing). Otherwise it's gonna be hard to convey a fully grown adult super hero if they keep his portrayal at his natural height. If that's their prerogative. Marvel/Sony might just want to keep him a kid for all the movies they currently have planned for him.

Unless, of course, they pull an Ultimate Spidey and have him killed off relatively young and replace him with Miles

 

[HStallion]

Can you imagine how strong this Spidey would be once he reaches his peak physical development? I wonder if they're going to have Tom Holland wear platforms like RDJ in his shoes to simulate growth (cause @ 21 he's pretty much done growing). Otherwise it's gonna be hard to convey a fully grown adult super hero if they keep his portrayal at his natural height. If that's their prerogative. Marvel/Sony might just want to keep him a kid for all the movies they currently have planned for him.

Unless, of course, they pull an Ultimate Spidey and have him killed off relatively young and replace him with Miles

I'd guess just have Holland bulk up a bit more as he is still pretty slim. Nothing crazy but even 10 more lbs of muscle would work.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Maybe they were referring to the weird prototype shield that appeared in Iron Man 2 and was unceremoniously used to prop up the particle accelerator.
.

The words Happy uses is "Cap's new shield."

It's maybe less that Tony has forgiven Cap, and more likely that he's preparing for when he may need Cap's help anyway. Don't forget that Tony kept the burner phone at the end of Civil War, in case Steve and the other on-the-run Avengers were still needed.

 

[MugiwaraCole]

That'd make a Sinister Six movie a little hard.

No it wouldn't. Spidey has a ton of villains.

And there's any number of reasons why he might come back.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

I loved Spider-Man 2, but I always hate the aspect that Peter can subconsciously lose his power randomly and he can totally shut off all his power when he decide to stop being Spider-Man to the point that he need glasses again.

I honestly had this issue since I saw SM2.
I literally told my friends after the movie "he lost his powers due to sadness".

It was dumb then, it is dumb now.

Also, is just me or the little blonde girl that said goodbye to Liz at the end was Gwen? I think she had a couple of extra scenes.

 

[More_Badass]

Me too, his body was mutated, you can't unthink a mutation

The human body is freaking weird. It can give you symptoms just because it thinks it's sick or due to stress

That was relatively believable IMO

 

[BronsonLee]

The words Happy uses is "Cap's new shield."

It's maybe less that Tony has forgiven Cap, and more likely that he's preparing for when he may need Cap's help anyway. Don't forget that Tony kept the burner phone at the end of Civil War, in case Steve and the other on-the-run Avengers were still needed.

I wanted Tony to throw the phone in the garbage and burn the letter mid-Cap monologue

Fuck that nerd

 

[DeathyBoy]

I wanted Tony to throw the phone in the garbage and burn the letter mid-Cap monologue

Fuck that nerd

I wanted Cap to throw Tony in the garbage and tell "Tony Stank."

 

[Number_6]

The idea is called intertextuality and is a fairly basic concept in any college-level film or literature course. Using another work as a lens through which to explore character or theme is not uncommon or ground-breaking stuff. That's the stuff that makes a work richer. I can't believe we're treating that as a bad thing, y'all are off your rocker.

I'm not saying it's bad at all. I'm saying if an audience can get this, then surely they can remember Spidey's origin and not need to explicitly see it again.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

Oh, and I also liked the bit where Happy reveals that Tony is building Cap a new shield. So he's forgiven him?

I don't think Tony has forgiven Steve, but he knows that if and when shit hits the fan (as Tony himself had a prophecy of in AoU) he'll definitely need to call up Cap & Co. to help, so it doesn't hurt to have some new hardware on hand to equip them when the time comes.

And we all know what's coming, so he'll definitely be making that call pretty soon.

 

[BlazinSkatinAxel]

The words Happy uses is "Cap's new shield."

It's maybe less that Tony has forgiven Cap, and more likely that he's preparing for when he may need Cap's help anyway. Don't forget that Tony kept the burner phone at the end of Civil War, in case Steve and the other on-the-run Avengers were still needed.

The old one is in Iron Man 2. The new shield is the one from Civil War that Cap left with Tony.

 

[Shaanyboi]

The old one is in Iron Man 2. The new shield is the one from Civil War that Cap left with Tony.

Again, the words used are "prototype for Cap's new shield." The shield he has always had (save for a brief bit in Cap 1) is the vibranium shield, so presumably, this new shield is something else.

 

[Sami+]

The ups and downs of her career throughout the trilogy shaped her character. She ended the trilogy a much stronger woman than she was in Spidey 1.

lol, what? I rewatched Spidey 2 like two or three months ago and she's easily the weakest link of that movie. Just an absolutely horrible person whose most pronounced character moment was literally ghosting her fiance at their wedding without saying a fucking word and then going to Peter's. Like, I literally couldn't get over how shitty and insensitive of a thing that was to do to someone.

Literally all she does in the entire trilogy is kiss Peter, complain, get kidnapped, and kiss Peter again. In that order.

I honestly had this issue since I saw SM2.
I literally told my friends after the movie "he lost his powers due to sadness".

It was dumb then, it is dumb now.

Also, is just me or the little blonde girl that said goodbye to Liz at the end was Gwen? I think she had a couple of extra scenes.

You'd be surprised lol.

It's a bit exaggerated of course, but even professional athletes can be WAY off their game if their mind isn't in the right place. Once Peter's powers started to fuck up you could feasibly say the placebo effect would start to snowball things especially considering how shitty his life was at that point and how depressed he had become because of Spider-Man.

 

[darkhunger]

Also, is just me or the little blonde girl that said goodbye to Liz at the end was Gwen? I think she had a couple of extra scenes.

Thats Betty Brant.

 

[my name is ed]

Getting spider powers is believable. Losing them is not. Get over it nerds!

 

[gutter_trash]

this one of the most important scenes of the movie

 

[Foxtastical]

Getting spider powers is believable. Losing them is not. Get over it nerds!

Wait, is this sarcasm or something?

 

[Shaanyboi]

this one of the most important scenes of the movie

Spectacular did their take on this too.

 

[flkraven]

What if I could do the opposite, and subconsciously gain super powers randomly...

 

[BronsonLee]

What if I could do the opposite, and subconsciously gain super powers randomly...

bitch this ain't The Secret

 

[Wiped89]

The words Happy uses is "Cap's new shield."

It's maybe less that Tony has forgiven Cap, and more likely that he's preparing for when he may need Cap's help anyway. Don't forget that Tony kept the burner phone at the end of Civil War, in case Steve and the other on-the-run Avengers were still needed.

My reading of that line is:

The plane was full of old artefacts from previous battles being moved. I think the new shield was being worked on, and then work was stopped when Civil War happened. Then it was put into storage, hence being lumped in with all this old stuff now and only reaching protoype stage.

 

[Albino_Yeti]

this one of the most important scenes of the movie

Tom Holland sold the shit out of that scene. His panicking cries were really authentic sounding.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

The wife and I decided on checking it out tomorrow evening when AMC has their cheap stubs member tickets. All this good buzz is nice for a change.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Tom Holland sold the shit out of that scene. His panicking cries were really authentic sounding.

Yep, probably one of the most convincing depictions of a hero realizing the mortal danger they're in. He fucking killed it in this movie throughout.

 

[Glass Rebel]

The idea is called intertextuality and is a fairly basic concept in any college-level film or literature course. Using another work as a lens through which to explore character or theme is not uncommon or ground-breaking stuff. That's the stuff that makes a work richer. I can't believe we're treating that as a bad thing, y'all are off your rocker.

The point is that Spider-Man and some of the basic elements that form his character (most notably the radioactive spiderbite, power and responsibility and uncle ben's death) have become staples in popular culture to the point that the mere appearance of Spide-Man evokes them and that anyone depicting the character can expect the general audience to know about those things. Similar to Batman's parents being dead and Superman being an alien.

Intertextuality is fine and dandy when it accentuates the narrative and its themes but it is absolutely ineffective when it is used as a shortcut. Mary Shelley's use of Paradise Lost in Frankenstein is a good example where intertextuality adds meaning to the relationship between Victor and the monster. An extreme example on the other end would Batman v Superman be, where Jesus and King Arthur imagery is grafted on haphazardly.

In the case of Raimi's Mary Jane, the Earest play is kind of a weak parallel to the relationship between her and Peter. It's basically just Raimi pointing at Earnest and going "hey look, double lifes, truth etc.". It does nothing to inform or shape MJ's development or actions.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

Thats Betty Brant.

Aw dangit. Ok.


I loved that they portrayed Peter as a very smart kid.

 

[Dalek]

Tom Holland sold the shit out of that scene. His panicking cries were really authentic sounding.

Yes absolutely. It was very effective.

 

[asagami_]

Thats Betty Brant.

Eh, this is a funny trend, because it also happen with a student who has long white/gray hair. Totally not Felicia Hardy.

I suspect is the subtle way Marvel is trolling Sony.

 

[phanphare]

Eh, this is a funny trend, because it also happen with a student who has long white/gray hair. Totally not Felicia Hardy.

I suspect is the subtle way Marvel is trolling Sony.

it's either her or a blatant troll

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Tom Holland sold the shit out of that scene. His panicking cries were really authentic sounding.

When he succeeds-- one of two or three points in the movie when I cheered a little quiet cheer to myself. (Our 11:30 AM screening was mostly empty).

One of the others was when he asked out Liz.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

When he succeeds-- one of two or three points in the movie when I cheered a little quiet cheer to myself. (Our 11:30 AM screening was mostly empty).

One of the others was when he asked out Liz.

"Come on Spiderman! Come on Spider-Man!"

Teeters on being cheesy but damn if I didn't get emotional.

 

[BronsonLee]

Peter successfully asking out a senior is the biggest victory in the entire movie

 

[Toa TAK]

Peter successfully asking out a senior is the biggest victory in the entire movie

It's not that hard Bronson

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Don't get me wrong. I assumed in the back of my head watching Civil War, and Homecoming Ben Parker is dead.

I just agree it was completely the right decision not to focus on it, and make it the driving force behind Peter's origin. Allowed them to explore other aspects of Peter's character.

Plus, we've already seen it twice on film, not to mention various other adaptions/media, so that aspect has been more than covered, and than some.

What they replaced Ben's death didn't work. It's not about having Ben's death on screen, it's about having something of equal dramatic weight take it's place so you care about the characters and themes. You can see this in effect by comparing Spider-Man 1 and 2 to Homecoming because almost everyone sees the difference in dramatic quality that makes them so memorable.

So, it's not okay to exclude specific mention of Uncle Ben and expect the audience--who are there to see Spider-Man (again)--to already know what's up with Spidey's origin and motivations, but it is okay to expect the Spider-Man viewing audience to know about a totally unrelated play and rely on it to clue them in on Mary Jane's development? Lol, sure dude.

Intertextuality is bad now? I even made that statement as a illuminating point. Even if you actually, ya know, watch the movies you would see the obvious changes in Mary-Jane. The Importance of Being Earnest just makes the movie richer and more on point with the message it's conveying.

 

[Deepwater]

What they replaced Ben's death didn't work. It's not about having Ben's death on screen, it's about having something of equal dramatic weight take it's place so you care about the characters and themes. You can see this in effect by comparing Spider-Man 1 and 2 to Homecoming because almost everyone sees the difference in dramatic quality that makes them so memorable.

Honestly the scene when Tony berates him like an asshole and the scene when he powers out of the rubble were shining moments of dramatic. I'm personally glad they didn't waste time by glossing over another iteration of ben's death. And who knows, maybe they'll introduce it in another movie to tie in with a new villain

It wasn't the same but it was dramatic. I was really worried that he was about to do the final fight with vulture with his original suit and I was freaking out during the battle on the Jet.

 

[Haloid1177]

It's not that hard Bronson

For Bronson it was.

 

[Toa TAK]

For Bronson it was.

RIP BronsonLee

 

[Pai Pai Master]

RDJ made his entire inclusion in the film worth it for the way he steps out of that armor proving to Peter that he really does care. Probably one of my favorite Tony Stark moments in the entire MCU.

 

[Loris146]

RDJ made his entire inclusion in the film worth it for the way he steps out of that armor proving to Peter that he really does care. Probably one of my favorite Tony Stark moments in the entire MCU.

Yeah. That was a good scene ( despite the bad CGI).

 

[Litan]

RDJ made his entire inclusion in the film worth it for the way he steps out of that armor proving to Peter that he really does care. Probably one of my favorite Tony Stark moments in the entire MCU.

That moment when he tells him, "Zip it, adults are talking!" made me realize how much he's grown as a character since IM1.

 

[PSqueak]

. I'm personally glad they didn't waste time by glossing over another iteration of ben's death. And who knows, maybe they'll introduce it in another movie to tie in with a new villain

I think this was part of the brilliance, it's like Marvel and Sony truly understood they were on their 3rd spider-man so they decided to make EVERYTHING radically different with the exception of peter.

Like, they introduced Ned (basically remixing Mile's friend), they made Flash a bully who is also a nerd like peter, "MJ" played like an entirely different character literally, the way they related Liz to the vulture, Younger aunt May that peter is on "first name" terms, Karen, etc.

It was just the right choice, people would have been tired if they had done the same traditional spider-man fare, let alone another origin story.

 

[LotusHD]

RDJ made his entire inclusion in the film worth it for the way he steps out of that armor proving to Peter that he really does care. Probably one of my favorite Tony Stark moments in the entire MCU.

Yea he shut up real quick when he stepped out lmao

 

[Deepwater]

I think this was part of the brilliance, it's like Marvel and Sony truly understood they were on their 3rd spider-man so they decided to make EVERYTHING radically different with the exception of peter.

Like, they introduced Ned (basically remixing Mile's friend), they made Flash a bully who is also a nerd like peter, "MJ" played like an entirely different character literally, the way they related Liz to the vulture, Younger aunt May that peter is on "first name" terms, Karen, etc.

It was just the right choice, people would have been tired if they had done the same traditional spider-man fare, let alone another origin story.

It felt so familiar (as a comic book reader) but so different. It was great all around.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

except not really. the stakes at the end of that movie were the city getting destroyed (as opposed to trying to thwart someone intending to steal some weapons and sell them) and Doc Ock wasn't nearly as grounded as Vulture was. plus the myriad of things Homecoming does better in regards to similarities you're describing. like Rich says Homecoming is just a better Spider Man movie and that counts for a whole lot when you're trying to make a Spider Man movie.

What makes a good Spider-Man movie isn't whether or not Spider-Man matches the comic version. That's not as important as you think. Characters, themes, and how the story works matters. I'm 100% sure if you spoke with Rich Evans about how poor the side characters were and how lifeless the drama was he'd agree. Rich is a big comic book guy. He will look over issues just because he saw nice looking Spidey.