It's amazing that's the character people get all protective over.
"Oh you know, that classic cultural staple, The Mandarin! Tony uses science, but Mandarin uses magic! These are complex and valuable themes that are so important to get right!"
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Spider-Man: Homecoming |OT| MCU's Sweet 16 - SPOILERS
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"Oh you know, that classic cultural staple, The Mandarin! Tony uses science, but Mandarin uses magic! These are complex and valuable themes that are so important to get right!"
thecouncil
Banned
From arriving at Liz's house to getting out of the car at the school, that was all great Keaton.
Civil War is only good in the sense that you are already familiar with most of Its characters form other better films and that it was better then Batman vs Superman while covering much of the same subject matter.
Spiderman gives you a quick refresher at the begining and covers every key plot point over the course of the film.
Its fun as fanservice but its a busy film like iron man 2 with a tired group of actors and a script that refuses to acknoweledge any of the issues to do with why they Cap and Tony were fighting in exchange for more "personal" motivations inspired by a villan that falls completely flat.
Spiderman gives you a quick refresher at the begining and covers every key plot point over the course of the film.
Its fun as fanservice but its a busy film like iron man 2 with a tired group of actors and a script that refuses to acknoweledge any of the issues to do with why they Cap and Tony were fighting in exchange for more "personal" motivations inspired by a villan that falls completely flat.
That's amazing. But for all its flaws, if there's one idea about Snyder's DC movies that were worth exploring, it's the notion of how much stuff like aliens and space gods would shatter and impact the beliefs of people around the world. This is just a very hidden way of doing it.So there's a new religion in the MCU?
That sign on the right in Korean translates to "Asgard Church"
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
So there's a new religion in the MCU?
That sign on the right in Korean translates to "Asgard Church"
Plus it says it in English right underneath.
This was a perfect MCU movie, still focused on the main hero, but didn't fall into the trap of Iron Man 3 or Guardians 2 where if feels oddly disconnected from the rest of the marvel universe. Other heroes exist and interactions are a give at times, but you can still create a story with great characters and villains with those interactions. Loved it. Michael Keaton was incredible. So much menace in the car scene.
My one criticism is I thought the action was relatively weak, there was not a single action sequence that stood out as being something special. The only thing ASM2 did better then this film was the action set pieces.
My one criticism is I thought the action was relatively weak, there was not a single action sequence that stood out as being something special. The only thing ASM2 did better then this film was the action set pieces.
Went last night for a second time. Man, this movie is just great. My main problem with most of the recent superhero flicks are that they get worse in hindsight. During the movie it feels enjoyable, but after I let it marinate a bit I realize the movie wasn't that great. The more I think about Spider-Man, the better I think it is. I may see this one a few more times.
So there's a new religion in the MCU?
That sign on the right in Korean translates to "Asgard Church"
That's a great spot. Fairly certain that will come up in Ragnarok, too.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Peter's not at the point where he can fight like ASM Spidey (even Raimi Spidey seemed to become combat specialist overnight), but I think they did a pretty good job of making the fights tense and exciting without the amazing acrobatic choreography. Can't wait till he gets to that point but I liked the Ferry scene especially with him rushing to web everything together, that moment was big on spectacle for sure. I also really liked how Vulture actually fought like a bird protecting its nest at the end.
Master Yoshi
Member
Loved this movie more than I thought possible, but can we talk about Karen? I really hope Karen isn't here to stay. Peter uses his genius and his Spidey sense to assess situations, not an AI built by Tony Stark.
He's still 15 and he's still learning. Dude can't be the best hero ever from the word 'go'.
Besides, without it, he'd go some really long stretches talking to absolutely no one.
Zoe
Member
So there's a new religion in the MCU?
That sign on the right in Korean translates to "Asgard Church"
On a tangent, it irked me seeing them eat Thai food with chopsticks.
if you're interested in the MCU, you 100% cannot skip CW
Agreed. Saying otherwise is laughable.
MisterAnderson
Member
Do NOT skip Civil War...
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I was very disappointed in it, but so much happens that's important to the larger MCU that it's a must watch. And the fights are fun.
Except the last one, where I was waiting for the movie to be over.
Twig and Berries
Member
Zoe
Member
That's really common in US Thai restaurants
None of the Thai restaurants here give you chopsticks!
CosmicGroinPull
Member
I should've realised Zendaya was going to play Peter's love interest, with the number of promo clips they did together on youtube.... >.>
Twig and Berries
Member
Pai Pai Master
Banned
How ._. it's the most intense and personal battle in the entire MCU
Was Toomes actually planning on letting Peter continue to date Liz and then they just have the most uncomfortable relationship in the history of man?
Because that would have been amazing.
Because that would have been amazing.
I assume he would have expected Peter to disengage afterwards but still funny to think about.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
It looks stupid.
It's redundant after the previous battles.
It requires Tony to be a complete rage machine. Tony is not Wolverine and it's not set up well that he would go over the edge.
Plus, it came at a point where the movie had worn out its welcome.
I realize it's a minority opinion, but Civil War is a mid-tier MCU movie for me. I had a lot of problems with it. I still liked it, but with a ton of caveats. I honestly think Avengers 2 was better, and people shit on that.
Iron Man - WATCH - necessary in setting the tone and Tony Stark as a character
Incredible Hulk - SKIP - I like it more than most people, but it's ultimately skippable. Bruce Banner was hired to recreate the soldier syrum that made Captain America. Fucked up and made him the Hulk. Some other shit happens. Done.
Iron Man 2 - SKIP - the movie kind of meanders a lot. It barely introduces Black Widow, turns James Rhodes into War Machine, and suggests Tony's dad had something to do with SHIELD. Beyond that, it's pointless.
Thor - SKIP - How necessary this is is dependant on your interest in Thor in Avengers. It's otherwise skippable.
Captain America: First Avenger- WATCH - this sets up too much of Cap's character and future storylines. It's uneven, but worthwhile in the end.
The Avengers - WATCH - No excuses.
Iron Man 3 - SKIP - I genuinely love this movie, but again, skippable for the sake of this marathon.
Thor: The Dark World - SKIP - Again, wholly depends on your interest in Thor and Loki, and while it does set up important stuff for Ragnarok, it's skippable for now.
Captain America: The Winter Soldier - WATCH - Mandatory viewing.
Guardians of the Galaxy - WATCH - While it's uneven in a lot of ways and seemingly distant from most else going on, it sets up a lot of important cosmic shit going forward.
Avengers: Age of Ultron - WATCH - Not the best movie but it does a LOT of work in terms of world-building and setting up future stories. It goes beyond just new characters, it also sets up shifts in the political landscape.
Ant-Man - SKIP - it's a good fun movie, and there's a short bit of set up, but for the sake of this marathon, it's skippable. Retired Ant-Man who thinks the Stark family are dicks trains new Ant-Man. Return and watch dependant on your feelings on the character in Civil War.
Captain America: Civil War - WATCH - Integral to the state of things going forward.
Doctor Strange - SKIP - Like Ant-Man, it's a solid enough movie and introduces some fun ideas. But it's necessity will depend on the character going forward.
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - WATCH - I like it more than the first film, and while not wholly related to the happenings on Earth, it sets up important character bits that will be relevant going forward.
That sounds like a you thing
More_Badass
Member
How? It has nothing to do with being a "complete rage machine" and everything to do with humans acting irrationally due to emotions. Anyone, not just Tony, could have reacted like that.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Tony was already on edge for the whole movie. Then he watched Bucky brutally kill both of his parents, with Bucky standing right beside him. And Steve, one of his closest allies, had held that truth from him for years. He snapped and if you don't think that's a reasonable response then I dunno what to tell you.
it's not redundant because the previous battles didn't have the weight of this battle. the airport scene was them fighting with kids gloves on whereas the final battle they're out for blood.
also it's set up really well that Tony would lose his shit after finding out Bucky killed his mom. they even set up that he had a troubled relationship with his dad and his regret at how their last moment together played out. you see how he would have wanted that moment to play out and since he's way younger it's established that this moment and his parents' death stuck with him throughout the rest of his life. so when he says "I don't care, he killed my mom" it really hits because of how it's set up. he also only mentions his mom. like, if there's one reason that would make any person become a complete rage machine it'd be finding out how your parents really died for the first time, being forced to watch them get brutally murdered, while being in the same room as the person who killed them. all of that was perfectly logical.
also disagree that the movie had worn out its welcome but that's entirely subjective so :shrug:
they do everything in their power to make Tony 'off balance'
-the guilt from Ultron
-the breakup with Pepper
-his view of Steve breaking the team apart
-watching the man he's been hunting choke his mother to death with his bare hand
-realizing Steve knew about this and kept it from him for years
after all that, it's super easy to buy that an already-emotional man like Tony would lose it
Snyder would have had an actual church scene. In yo face.
AKA the best part of Iron Man 3.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
In an alternate universe, he would've successfully brainwashed Peter and together go on to build an anti Stark empire using alien scraps.
Just got back from this. Film was great and definitely the best spider man film. Holland absolutely kills it as Parker. I still slightly prefer Garfield as Spidey though. Easily the funniest of all the films. Keaton was great as the vulture and the scene in his house was amazing. I can't wait to see where they go next.
Ys that shit was not belivable at all.
Bunch of Jennifer Connelly haters that's who. Ya got my sword.
At least people will be talking and debating this movie. It's not a bad thing in this case.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
You're going to get a lot of personal opinions, but I wouldn't skip Ant-Man. Such a fun little movie.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Opinions, how do they work?
CW Spoilers galore:
Typing this out, it seems like I hate this movie, and I don't. But it's definitely a movie that the more I thought about, the less I liked. And one of the MCU movies I'm not interested in rewatching.
Yes, it's very important to the overall MCU story and yes, it's fun (with caveats) but like I said, mid-tier for me.
CW Spoilers galore:
Tony's turn didn't work for me, and by that point I was quite restless and ready for the movie to be over. I get the intellectual reasons why it works, but it didn't work emotionally for me. Maybe it's because he's Mr Quip and flirting with Aunt May earlier, I dunno. Maybe it's because I didn't like the resolution of the Airport fight, or maybe it's because the movie was all over the place prior.
The fight itself looks incredibly dumb.
FWIW, I didn't find Steve's actions to really work for me either. Again, they sound right on paper and didn't work on screen. The two primary heroes acting out of character really brings the movie down for me.
I already said I know it's a minority opinion, but by the time the last act came, I was tired of the movie. The other third-act bits-- the revelation that Zemo just wanted to kill the other Super Soldiers, and Steve and crew all ending up in jail-- also really didn't land with me.
The fight itself looks incredibly dumb.
FWIW, I didn't find Steve's actions to really work for me either. Again, they sound right on paper and didn't work on screen. The two primary heroes acting out of character really brings the movie down for me.
I already said I know it's a minority opinion, but by the time the last act came, I was tired of the movie. The other third-act bits-- the revelation that Zemo just wanted to kill the other Super Soldiers, and Steve and crew all ending up in jail-- also really didn't land with me.
Typing this out, it seems like I hate this movie, and I don't. But it's definitely a movie that the more I thought about, the less I liked. And one of the MCU movies I'm not interested in rewatching.
Yes, it's very important to the overall MCU story and yes, it's fun (with caveats) but like I said, mid-tier for me.
moltonasty
Member
Agree, worst aspect of the film for me by far.
Like, yeah, she was funny I guess. But it's just not what I want from Spidey. The whole Tony Stark idolization I can accept due to Peter's age.
Nevermind.
Civil War drops down my list over time. But that final act is one of the best moments of the MCU. It had a ton of character emotion rather than another giant object in the sky crashing down.
I didn't have a problem with it.. but with Homecoming, I can't believe they did that trope again.
that's probably the crux of the issue here, that you didn't like the movie and wanted it to be over before it was over not that the characters' motivations weren't sound. nobody was acting out of character.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Good on paper, poorly portrayed on screen.
Nah Cap and Iron Man portrayals are the main reasons why the MCU became so successful. They played their character incredibly well and convincing with every movie they're in.
nah it was fine on screen it just seems like you had already checked out
which is fine btw, just calling it like it is
Don't
100% disagree. IM3 explores the psyche of Tony Stark and his reaction to his near death experience in Avengers, which explains his actions in creating Ultron.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
The need to dismiss a dissenting opinion as somehow invalid is pretty insulting.
Just calling it like it is.
Just calling it like it is.