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Spider-Man joins the X-Men?

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Mudkips said:
Marvel:

The X-Men and other mutants have mutant powers because of their mutant DNA!
Spiderman has spider powers because a radioactive spider bit him, altering his DNA!
The Fantastic Four have fantastic powers because radiation altered their DNA!
The Hulk is so hulking because he was exposed to gamma radiation, which altered his DNA!
Cut the 1960`s some slack, man. It`s not their fault.
 
thetrin said:
True, but at least DC has Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison. if Morrison went back to Marvel, and said he was going to rectify all the dumb shit in Marvel over the last couple years, I would go back.

I don't get all the love for Morrision. Most of his stories are convoluted shit that tries to be "deep" to hide its convoluted nature.
 
CygnusXS said:
Cut the 1960`s some slack, man. It`s not their fault.

No.
Whenever Stan Lee comes out and says "LOL it was great! We didn't have to think of origin stories for the mutants and their powers, we just said "IT WAS DNA!".", it pisses me off.
 
If I were a mutant living in the Mavelverse, I would totally claim to have fallen into a pool of nuclear waste or whatever to explain my powers.

That would be kind of an interesting premise for a book, a mutant masquerading as a non-mutant superhero protecting a small town of anti-mutant bigots or something...
 
I'm guessing that this is just a deliberately misleading promotion for the Heroic Age: X-Men one-shot, and not anything more. But we'll find out next week.
 
thetrin said:
True, but at least DC has Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison. if Morrison went back to Marvel, and said he was going to rectify all the dumb shit in Marvel over the last couple years, I would go back.

So? Marvel currently has better writers than DC.

And I like how you're saying all the "dumb shit" Marvel has done as if DC hasn't done lots of "dumb shit" of their own. The Superman comics all last year? Or what they just did to Rucka's Batwoman, one of the best books out of either of the big two? The current Supergirl run for like the first 30 issues?

Marvel did the One More Day crap (though the outcome has been great, making ASM one of the best superhero comics around) and Secret Invasion was a disappointment. I'm sure there's more stupid things they've done. That's what happens when you're a large comic company putting out tons of books.

Both DC and Marvel will continue to do terrible things while also continuing to put out awesome books.

I obviously am a Marvel guy but I don't believe I'm biased. I buy DC books on a weekly basis. I adore most of what Johns touches. Batman & Robin is fantastic Morrison work (though yes, I thought Final Crisis was complete shit). I personally think Marvel has the better talent and better books for most of the past few years. But I love a lot of DC stuff too.

Otherwise, I'd be like certain other people who post here who refuse to look past one company to understand there are other great books out there.

Speaking of:

evil solrac v3.0 said:
Spidey should come over to DC, he would be treated like the hero he is.

Yeah, he'd be treated with the respect he deserves, right? You mean like Batwoman?

Considering how great ASM has been for a long while now, I think most Spidey fans are happy that he's at Marvel.

You always have such a constant anti-Marvel bias in your posts, which would be fine if it weren't for hypocritical posts like that or a couple weeks back, when you called Marvel out on adding volumes together to hit big anniversary issues like #600.

(A couple days later, DC's Wonder Woman #600 solicitation came out.)

In closing: like who you like, but both company's do the same shit. If you don't like new #1's, renumbering, gimmick team members, big events, etc. it's very simple: stop reading super hero comics. Not DC, not Marvel, but in general.

Except Witchblade. Go read that. One of the most underrated books out now.
 
Dan said:
From an outsider looking in, seems like all Marvel has going on is team books and/or characters with claws. Oh, and Deadpool...

Yeah, I don't think either of the two are really "firing" on "all" "cylinders" these days.
 
Just to throw out some more geekery:

I thought they revealed at one point that Spidey's powers were actually or a magical origin? The radioactive spider that bit him was some sort of conduit for a Mayan spider god or something to bless him with spideriness? There was some story arc or something... Or was that just hinted, and not outright stated as the new canon?
 
El_TigroX said:
Not only has he teamed up with the X-Men several times, but he was also part of "The New Fantastic Four" along with Hulk, Ghost Rider and Wolverine back in 1993.

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I forgot Sue Storm wore such a slutty outfit. I think it's when she was possessed or something.

Ri'Orius said:
Just to throw out some more geekery:

I thought they revealed at one point that Spidey's powers were actually or a magical origin? The radioactive spider that bit him was some sort of conduit for a Mayan spider god or something to bless him with spideriness? There was some story arc or something... Or was that just hinted, and not outright stated as the new canon?


That's spider-man noir's origin.
 
Just something to consider guys.

Luke Cage is the warden of Rykers in upcoming Thunderbolts, and on the New Avengers.
Thing is on the FF and New Avengers.
Spidey is on Avengers and New Avengers.
Beast is now on Secret Avengers.

Someone posted that on the CBR boards, which makes sense if this is true. The Heroic Age will truly bring everyone together without any of the angsty separation.

Also:

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Averon said:
I don't get all the love for Morrision. Most of his stories are convoluted shit that tries to be "deep" to hide its convoluted nature.
My problem with him is that his 'depth' comes at the expense of screwing with the characterizations of characters.
 
El_TigroX said:
Not only has he teamed up with the X-Men several times, but he was also part of "The New Fantastic Four" along with Hulk, Ghost Rider and Wolverine back in 1993.

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Is The Hulk wearing a red jumpsuit? Was he working as a mechanic or something?
 
Didn't Spider-Man trash the entire team in Secret Wars?

It's been years since I've read that series, but I seem to remember him almost killing Wolverine and Colossus. Nightcrawler said something about Spidey being more powerful than all the X-Men combined, except the Professor.

Why would he join those wimps?
 
GreekWolf said:
Didn't Spider-Man trash the entire team in Secret Wars?

It's been years since I've read that series, but I seem to remember him almost killing Wolverine and Colossus. Nightcrawler said something about Spidey being more powerful than all the X-Men combined, except the Professor.

Why would he join those wimps?

Was he wearing the symbiote costume at the time? I don't remember but that amplified his powers a lot.

Not that I disagree. Spidey is my favorite character ever.

I really hope that the upcoming Astonishing Spider-Man/Wolverine mini by Aaron becomes an ongoing. It seems like such an obvious choice. DC has Superman/Batman so why not? It would sell incredibly well and whenever Spidey and Logan interact, I love it. Case in point: the fist bump picture above. :lol
 
omg rite said:
Was he wearing the symbiote costume at the time? I don't remember but that amplified his powers a lot.

Before the symbiote. He beat them enough to get away, and then Professor X erased the reason for him trying to get a way from his brain. I believe the X-Men were contemplating joining up with Magneto.

At any rate he didn't "almost kill" anyone.
 
dvdjamm said:
Is The Hulk wearing a red jumpsuit? Was he working as a mechanic or something?

I think that during one of the periods Banner was in control of his Hulk persona. So he dressed like he wasn't a savage.
 
Well, I managed to find part of that Secret Wars encounter, but I'm still missing two pages. It's funny to look back through the Uncanny Underpowered 1980's X-Men.

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Mudkips said:
Marvel:

The X-Men and other mutants have mutant powers because of their mutant DNA!
Spiderman has spider powers because a radioactive spider bit him, altering his DNA!
The Fantastic Four have fantastic powers because radiation altered their DNA!
The Hulk is so hulking because he was exposed to gamma radiation, which altered his DNA!
Altered DNA is the 60s equivalent of nanomachines today. :p
 
superbank said:
Thats pretty stupid if true. Realistically, people would say "Oh shit that guys shooting webs out of his hands! Mutant!" Even if they don't have the x-gene people would lump them together because of the weirdo factor.
Well, there's your problem. :lol Comics operate on a special brand of logic.
 
Seeing on how the real peter parker died long ago and it's just a clueless clone then yes technically he is a mutant since he was "born" with these powers.
 
GreekWolf said:
Well, I managed to find part of that Secret Wars encounter, but I'm still missing two pages. It's funny to look back through the Uncanny Underpowered 1980's X-Men.

swars1.jpg

Spidey is such an awesome and potential powerhouse badass! It's a wonder that he's not always suicidal through all the BS that Marvel puts him throughout the years and tries for the smart alec funny quirky guy instead. It's like there's a team brainstorm meeting scheduled every month for this stuff.

"Gee! How can we make Peter's life anymore miserable today!"
"You mean the childhood raping clone saga and the Green Goblin impregnating Gwen Stacy, Spidey's first love, who eventually bore man-children story arc wasn't enough? You're right!"
 
omg rite said:
So? Marvel currently has better writers than DC.

And I like how you're saying all the "dumb shit" Marvel has done as if DC hasn't done lots of "dumb shit" of their own. The Superman comics all last year? Or what they just did to Rucka's Batwoman, one of the best books out of either of the big two? The current Supergirl run for like the first 30 issues?

Marvel did the One More Day crap (though the outcome has been great, making ASM one of the best superhero comics around) and Secret Invasion was a disappointment. I'm sure there's more stupid things they've done. That's what happens when you're a large comic company putting out tons of books.

Both DC and Marvel will continue to do terrible things while also continuing to put out awesome books.

I obviously am a Marvel guy but I don't believe I'm biased. I buy DC books on a weekly basis. I adore most of what Johns touches. Batman & Robin is fantastic Morrison work (though yes, I thought Final Crisis was complete shit). I personally think Marvel has the better talent and better books for most of the past few years. But I love a lot of DC stuff too.

Otherwise, I'd be like certain other people who post here who refuse to look past one company to understand there are other great books out there.

Speaking of:



Yeah, he'd be treated with the respect he deserves, right? You mean like Batwoman?

Considering how great ASM has been for a long while now, I think most Spidey fans are happy that he's at Marvel.

You always have such a constant anti-Marvel bias in your posts, which would be fine if it weren't for hypocritical posts like that or a couple weeks back, when you called Marvel out on adding volumes together to hit big anniversary issues like #600.

(A couple days later, DC's Wonder Woman #600 solicitation came out.)

In closing: like who you like, but both company's do the same shit. If you don't like new #1's, renumbering, gimmick team members, big events, etc. it's very simple: stop reading super hero comics. Not DC, not Marvel, but in general.

Except Witchblade. Go read that. One of the most underrated books out now.



OH. MY. GOD. the dribble that comes out of your mouth :lol the hell do you know what books i read? and don't try and pull up my weekly list because what I type down and what i end buying at the store are two different things. god almighty!
or maybe i don't like the direction marvel has been in the last 5-10 years and therefore don't bother with them anymore? is that maybe possible? huh? do you think?????

Yeah, he'd be treated with the respect he deserves, right? You mean like Batwoman?

Considering how great ASM has been for a long while now, I think most Spidey fans are happy that he's at Marvel.


are you sure you read comic books? Spider-man and mutants are seen as a menace in the marvel universe because of their powers despite the fact that they have saved the world countless times. if they did the same thing in the DC world, they'd be seen as heroes and worshipped. HOW HARD IS THAT TO COMPREHEND!?!??!?
 
GreekWolf said:
Well, I managed to find part of that Secret Wars encounter, but I'm still missing two pages. It's funny to look back through the Uncanny Underpowered 1980's X-Men.
That was one of my favorite parts of the book. He overhears the X-Men saying they're going to leave the hero side and go start their own faction with Magneto, then Xavier senses Spidey's presence. He jumps in and simultaneously pushes Cyclops away and bitchslaps Xavier across the face before doing what's in the scan you posted. Then he dodges some eye beams from Cyclops and gets away clean before Xavier pulls a memory wipe on him.

Looking back at that series, it seems like Spider-Man has been de-powered some over the years. In Secret Wars he's making dudes look like chumps on a regular basis. Another one of my favorites is when he just about sends Titania into a nervous breakdown over the course of about 45 seconds from beating/clowning her so bad. Just demolishing her. She goes from swinging a 40 ton beam and calling him calling him a scrawny little runt to yelling "it's not fair! stop it! stop it!" And then he throws her out of the fortress through the wall. :lol Gonna see if I can find a scan.
 
wow i had seen some spidey/x crossover stuff but this is something. he owned everyone easily. what happened, he always seems so lame now from what i see. i realize they get depowered all the time but man
 
Htown said:
That was one of my favorite parts of the book. He overhears the X-Men saying they're going to leave the hero side and go start their own faction with Magneto, then Xavier senses Spidey's presence. He jumps in and simultaneously pushes Cyclops away and bitchslaps Xavier across the face before doing what's in the scan you posted. Then he dodges some eye beams from Cyclops and gets away clean before Xavier pulls a memory wipe on him.

Looking back at that series, it seems like Spider-Man has been de-powered some over the years. In Secret Wars he's making dudes look like chumps on a regular basis. Another one of my favorites is when he just about sends Titania into a nervous breakdown over the course of about 45 seconds from beating/clowning her so bad. Just demolishing her. She goes from swinging a 40 ton beam and calling him calling him a scrawny little runt to yelling "it's not fair! stop it! stop it!" And then he throws her out of the fortress through the wall. :lol Gonna see if I can find a scan.

Badass. I must say, absolutely adore this Spider-man!

I must see this!
 
wassamattahwhichoo???

I think it's a great idea, might get me back into spiderman again...or maybe comics altogether!!!
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
Spidey is such an awesome and potential powerhouse badass!

Which is exactly why I loathe the Sam Rami flicks so much. Spider-Man was never portrayed in the comics as some 5'8 Linkin Park reject, who cries more tears than Jan Brady. He's essentially one of the scariest people in the Marvel Universe, with his ridiculous combination of speed, agility, strength, stamina, reflexes and intelligence. Oh, and by the way, good luck trying to even throw a punch, considering the guy has ESP for cripes sakes. He trashes class 90 villains like Rhino without breaking a sweat, while river-dancing on their head and telling 'yo momma' jokes. Deadpool could only dream to be half as cool.

And yeah... Batman wouldn't have a chance in hell of lasting 10 seconds in a broom closet with Spider-Man, even with ten thousand years of prep time.
 
Htown said:
Looking back at that series, it seems like Spider-Man has been de-powered some over the years. In Secret Wars he's making dudes look like chumps on a regular basis. Another one of my favorites is when he just about sends Titania into a nervous breakdown over the course of about 45 seconds from beating/clowning her so bad. Just demolishing her. She goes from swinging a 40 ton beam and calling him calling him a scrawny little runt to yelling "it's not fair! stop it! stop it!" And then he throws her out of the fortress through the wall. :lol Gonna see if I can find a scan.
To be fair, when "Skeeter" fought Spidey she was suffering from a severe lack of self-confidence, stemming from lifelong emotional inadequacies which reemerged following her first battle against the She-Hulk. Those issues of inadequacy were what caused her to lose continuously to enemies much weaker than herself (Spider-Man, for example), and are the very root of her prolonged rivalry with She-Hulk.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
OH. MY. GOD. the dribble that comes out of your mouth :lol the hell do you know what books i read? and don't try and pull up my weekly list because what I type down and what i end buying at the store are two different things. god almighty!
or maybe i don't like the direction marvel has been in the last 5-10 years and therefore don't bother with them anymore? is that maybe possible? huh? do you think?????

Wow, you really need to relax. :lol

First of all, don't call what I say "dribble" because I'm basing it on what I see you say. You rarely EVER buy Marvel books according to what you say in the threads. Now it's understandable that you end up buying them at the store but never list them. But considering you shit on Marvel on a constant basis, isn't it kind of logical for me to then assume that you don't buy Marvel books? You're acting like I based my assumption on nothing at all, when that's simply false.

If you read Marvel books too, that's great. But you shit on the company constantly (and often for things DC also does) so you make yourself look very anti-Marvel. So that's what I assume.

Second of all, why are you arguing with me over what you buy in the store and THEN saying that maybe you just don't like what Marvel does and so you don't bother with them anymore? Can't be both ways. Either you buy Marvel and I'm an ass for mentioning that you don't or you don't buy Marvel, which you just hinted at, and what I said was right.

Of course it's possible that you don't like them anymore. However, you accuse them and make fun of them for things DC does as well. And as a Marvel fan, it's annoying so I'll call you out on it.

are you sure you read comic books? Spider-man and mutants are seen as a menace in the marvel universe because of their powers despite the fact that they have saved the world countless times. if they did the same thing in the DC world, they'd be seen as heroes and worshipped. HOW HARD IS THAT TO COMPREHEND!?!??!?

One of the things that makes Spider-Man Spider-Man is the fact that he's constantly shit on by the world at large yet still continues to be the hero. That's a huge part of what makes the character who he is. You take that away and then he's a different character. The same thing goes for the X-Men.

And that's part of the reason why I like Marvel. Some characters are looked at by society as heroes and embraced in the way you're describing (Captain America, Fantastic Four, etc.) while others are not (X-Men, Spider-Man). And even Spider-Man has a lot of fans in the world who think its unfair that he gets blamed for things.

It's very easy to comprehend. However I thought you were talking about how DC as a company would treat Spider-Man well and not how he was looked at by the world in the DC Universe. The fact that you're actually acting the way you are in the above bolded parts is kind of embarrassing. Chill out.
 
I'll just add that I did like the Spidey/Wolverine stint in Germany. One of my favorite team-up stories. Of course, that in no way suggests this upcoming match up is anything positive.

Also, yes, Spider-Man is fucking awesome...and Cosmic Spidey just took that to levels beyond. In fact, at that point, wasn't he the single most powerful character in the Marvel Universe?
 
G-Fex said:
Seeing on how the real peter parker died long ago and it's just a clueless clone then yes technically he is a mutant since he was "born" with these powers.

Er, what? Are you poking fun at the Clone Saga or do you think that's what actually happened? :lol
 
Looks like Magneto and Savage She-Hulk are in too. What a weird roster.

I wonder if this is another on of Quesada's "genie bottles". Having characters on multiple teams and in multiple books screams of trying to do away with continuity.
 
omg rite said:
Er, what? Are you poking fun at the Clone Saga or do you think that's what actually happened? :lol
I think he's referring to a story arc that had Peter get killed, come back to life, and at someone's eye.
 
I think this one is from the future and is the Hulk's daughter or something.

I think he's referring to a story arc that had Peter get killed, come back to life, and at someone's eye.

He's implying that Ben was the real deal. And Spider-Man had his eye eaten by Morlun during "The Other", Spider-Man didn't do any eating of body parts iirc.
 
Well this is getting interesting. I have a hard time believing this is literal though.

We'll see. Either way, could be fun.

comedy bomb said:
Having characters on multiple teams and in multiple books screams of trying to do away with continuity.

Er, not really sure what this has to do with trying to do away with continuity. And it's not like that's Quesada's goal or something.
 
omg rite said:
Well this is getting interesting. I have a hard time believing this is literal though.

We'll see. Either way, could be fun.



Er, not really sure what this has to do with trying to do away with continuity. And it's not like that's Quesada's goal or something.


Well Spider-Man is in his own titles, Avengers, New Avengers, We Are The X-Men and Spider-Man/Wolverine. How anyone will be able to keep a timeline for all of that seems sketchy at best.
 
omg rite said:
Wow, you really need to relax. :lol

First of all, don't call what I say "dribble" because I'm basing it on what I see you say. You rarely EVER buy Marvel books according to what you say in the threads. Now it's understandable that you end up buying them at the store but never list them. But considering you shit on Marvel on a constant basis, isn't it kind of logical for me to then assume that you don't buy Marvel books? You're acting like I based my assumption on nothing at all, when that's simply false.

If you read Marvel books too, that's great. But you shit on the company constantly (and often for things DC also does) so you make yourself look very anti-Marvel. So that's what I assume.

Second of all, why are you arguing with me over what you buy in the store and THEN saying that maybe you just don't like what Marvel does and so you don't bother with them anymore? Can't be both ways. Either you buy Marvel and I'm an ass for mentioning that you don't or you don't buy Marvel, which you just hinted at, and what I said was right.

Of course it's possible that you don't like them anymore. However, you accuse them and make fun of them for things DC does as well. And as a Marvel fan, it's annoying so I'll call you out on it.



One of the things that makes Spider-Man Spider-Man is the fact that he's constantly shit on by the world at large yet still continues to be the hero. That's a huge part of what makes the character who he is. You take that away and then he's a different character. The same thing goes for the X-Men.

And that's part of the reason why I like Marvel. Some characters are looked at by society as heroes and embraced in the way you're describing (Captain America, Fantastic Four, etc.) while others are not (X-Men, Spider-Man). And even Spider-Man has a lot of fans in the world who think its unfair that he gets blamed for things.

It's very easy to comprehend. However I thought you were talking about how DC as a company would treat Spider-Man well and not how he was looked at by the world in the DC Universe. The fact that you're actually acting the way you are in the above bolded parts is kind of embarrassing. Chill out.



you can't call me out on being a big DC fan(of which i have no shame and don't try to hide) and then you go and push everything Marvel and ignore the bad parts. I used to buy Captain America and the deadpool/cable series.
but now deadpool is all over the place, so i don't like that. don't know what's gonna happen to captain america Steve Rogers and i tried to get into x-men lately but.... a couple of the second coming story arcs and.... nah, not for me. I don't think i like this "dark" path they are taking. still i may only follow the cable book, i change my mind like that.

Thor I like, but because of budget i may not.pick it up. we'll see.
you know that as a customer I have a right to pick up a company's book and decide whether i like them or not.
my beef is you always do this to me where you accuse me of ripping marvel a new one.how biased i am, that couldn't be further from the truth.
I grew up with both companies but i just don't like how marvel does stuff anymore. i don't like it's direction. so that's why i said in jest that spider-man would be treated like a god in the DC world. and he probably would sell a boatload if he were with DC.

dude, it's a forum! it's never embarrasing to call someone out especially when you have the habit of not getting the point of what i'm saying.
face it omg_rite, we're yin and yang. Jacob and smoke monster, monitor and anti-monitor. we're always gonna have this argument.
 
Anticitizen One said:
whats the difference between regular she-hulk and SAVAGE she-hulk?
this one is Thundra and Hulk's daughter from the future(he didn't know about it she took dna from kissing :lol. There's like 3 She Hulks (this one, his cousin, and the red one) and 3 Hulks now (Banner, his son from Planet Hulk, and the red one)

maybe 5? I don't know if that grey kid is his and they keep using Cosmic Hulk lately
also they were hinting some new Scorpion chick was his daughter too so yea, he's getting around

sorry, I read crappy Hulk comics
 
SpiderJerusalem said:
this one is Thundra and Hulk's daughter from the future(he didn't know about it she took dna from kissing :lol. There's like 3 She Hulks (this one, his cousin, and the red one) and 3 Hulks now (Banner, his son from Planet Hulk, and the red one)

maybe 5? I don't know if that grey kid is his and they keep using Cosmic Hulk lately
also they were hinting some new Scorpion chick was his daughter too so yea, he's getting around

sorry, I read crappy Hulk comics

Dude, I've been catching up on all the Hulk stuff. Yeah, it's dumb, but holy shit I love it.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
are you sure you read comic books? Spider-man and mutants are seen as a menace in the marvel universe because of their powers despite the fact that they have saved the world countless times. if they did the same thing in the DC world, they'd be seen as heroes and worshipped. HOW HARD IS THAT TO COMPREHEND!?!??!?
The x-men? Possibly, but seeing as how meta humans aren't openly embraced, im leaning towards doubting it. Spider-man is a different measure. He would be regarded as a hero at first kicking the shit out of villains like captain boomerang and the joker, but his luck would catch up with him. Some girl he would be interested in him, and end up getting killed by one of the mentioned villains. Shit would start all over with him like it does in the marvel universe. Hes to much of a smart ass to fit in with the trinity or most of the dc heroes who take themselves too seriously, and would most likely end up forgotten on the outsiders or jsa. Its nice to dream, but i don't see it turning out to well for him there too.
 
This thread reminded me that i have Xmen origins: Wolverine for the PC and made me install it, yeah weird. Is it any good ?
 
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