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[Coffee Dog]

Making superman snap zod's neck is entirely against the concept of superman. He's a better man, an ideal that we should aspire to. Dragging him down to his opponent's level doesn't really have a place in a superman origin story. That is some heavy shit, damn near worth an entire movie by itself. The fact that it will no doubt get glossed over is outright insulting.

Edit:

i think i have no problem with it if it becomes the reason why he has the rule in the first place.

Honestly, while I would still have a problem with it, this would make it much better. Though honestly, I doubt that they would focus on it that much. Too boring for the average viewer.

Edit 2: also, nobody has mentioned the exact nature of the ending controversy in this thread so far so if somebody has a problem with me doing it I'll edit it out, but until then, it's the spoiler thread so sorry.

 

[BootlegSnackz]

Didn't Superman

Spoiler

kill Doomsday

?

Spoiler

I don't think that's totally outside of his scope if he feels like someone can be too dangerous.

 

[sketchsanchez]

Didn't Superman

Spoiler

kill Doomsday

?

Spoiler

I don't think that's totally outside of his scope if he feels like someone can be too dangerous.

did you seriously spoiler tag THAT? Especially in a thread where we're openly discussing a spoiler for a film that isn't even out yet?

LIRL

 

[shira]

Please no spoiler tags.

 

[sketchsanchez]

Making superman snap zod's neck is entirely against the concept of superman. He's a better man, an ideal that we should aspire to. Dragging him down to his opponent's level doesn't really have a place in a superman origin story. That is some heavy shit, damn near worth an entire movie by itself. The fact that it will no doubt get glossed over is outright insulting.

Edit:



Honestly, while I would still have a problem with it, this would make it much better. Though honestly, I doubt that they would focus on it that much. Too boring for the average viewer.

Edit 2: also, nobody has mentioned the exact nature of the ending controversy in this thread so far so if somebody has a problem with me doing it I'll edit it out, but until then, it's the spoiler thread so sorry.

well, just going by what ive heard but it sounds like it he agonizes over it afterward so it sounds like it might be dealt with in the film.

 

[Betty]

Didn't Superman kill Doomsday? I don't think that's totally outside of his scope if he feels like someone can be too dangerous.

To be fair Doomsday killed Superman first... sorta.

 

[Deadly Monk]

It gets worse.

How so?

 

[kunonabi]

Making superman snap zod's neck is entirely against the concept of superman. He's a better man, an ideal that we should aspire to. Dragging him down to his opponent's level doesn't really have a place in a superman origin story. That is some heavy shit, damn near worth an entire movie by itself. The fact that it will no doubt get glossed over is outright insulting.

Edit:



Honestly, while I would still have a problem with it, this would make it much better. Though honestly, I doubt that they would focus on it that much. Too boring for the average viewer.

Edit 2: also, nobody has mentioned the exact nature of the ending controversy in this thread so far so if somebody has a problem with me doing it I'll edit it out, but until then, it's the spoiler thread so sorry.

I can't make a complete judgment without seeing how it played out but if Supes has him in a choke hold it should be possible to prevent him from frying the family without killing him. If have the strength to snap a man's neck you should have the strength to jerk his in a different direction, cover his eyes, or do anything other than murder him. You control a man's head you pretty much control the rest of him. Just from the basic description it seems like a pretty big cop out so that they can have their precious darker, more modern superman. Does Superman even try to peacefully welcome the Kryptonians to earth or reason with Zod at all?

 

[sketchsanchez]

im pretty sure zods starts with the shitting on humanity like immediately

 

[Future Foundation]

THANK YOU! I'm so freaking happy im not the only one who saw this. I could have written 4 pages on the problems the movie had but I wanted to keep it short.

I came out of the theater and tried to voice some of my opinions to some comic book people I know and completely hit a dead wall. lol. They'll join me in the sun in a few months.

And what happens if they still end up liking it?

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

I can't make a complete judgment without seeing how it played out but if Supes has him in a choke hold it should be possible to prevent him from frying the family without killing him. If have the strength to snap a man's neck you should have the strength to jerk his in a different direction, cover his eyes, or do anything other than murder him. You control a man's head you pretty much control the rest of him. Just from the basic description it seems like a pretty big cop out so that they can have their precious darker, more modern superman. Does Superman even try to peacefully welcome the Kryptonians to earth or reason with Zod at all?

Heres something odd. Zod is sentenced to the phantom zone after he tries to perform a coup. During this coup he kills a bunch of kryptonians including Jor-el. The Kryptonian high council sentences him to the phantom zone for his crimes.

Even after Zod kills all those kryptonians the high council don't execute him. They punish him. The entire movie Jor-el keeps talking to Clark saying he will guide humanity to be better, to be smarter and more caring than that of his contemporaries.

Is executing ZOD what Jor-el was talking about? Doubtful. I mean the high council didnt even execute him.

To make matter worse one of zods henchmen laughed at superman and called him weak because of his human morals or having morals at all. Extra hilarious when you think about Superman snapping Zods neck while the kryptonian council didnt.

I think the problem with superman killing someone like that he is he happens to be too powerful anyway, and to make him have the power of executioner is too much unless that is a focal point of the story. Otherwise the implications of superman killing a man because he might do something bad is incredibly scary.

And what happens if they still end up liking it?

Some will falter.

 

[sketchsanchez]

so does anyone else here think a few of the die hards in the man of steel thread, the ones so sure this will be the best thing ever, are gonna go nuts with hate cuz of this?

because i do. i expect some epic meltdowns.

 

[kunonabi]

so does anyone else here think a few of the die hards in the man of steel thread, the ones so sure this will be the best thing ever, are gonna go nuts with hate cuz of this?

because i do. i expect some epic meltdowns.

I get the feeling they will like it anyway. They seem concerned with him kicking ass than a proper treatment of the character. Did Jimmy Olsen actually turn out to be a chick?

 

[Ahasverus]

so does anyone else here think a few of the die hards in the man of steel thread, the ones so sure this will be the best thing ever, are gonna go nuts with hate cuz of this?

because i do. i expect some epic meltdowns.

I too smell meltdowns but I think we'll be just fine with a better movie than returns.

 

[Tookay]

Is executing ZOD what Jor-el was talking about? Doubtful. I mean the high council didnt even execute him.

And that decision leads to a lot of death in this film.

Maybe "being better" requires you to make hard decisions, that nobody else would like to be tasked with.

Also is killing somebody who is in the process of attempting to murder others really an "execution"? Sounds like self-defense of others, which is ethically and legally defensible position for someone to take.

 

[Coffee Dog]

And that decision leads to a lot of death in this film.

Maybe "being better" requires you to make hard decisions, that nobody else would like to be tasked with.

Also is killing somebody who is in the process of attempting to murder others really an "execution"? Sounds like self-defense of others, which is ethically and legally defensible position for someone to take.

Superman has pretty much never agreed with this. Hence the problem.

 

[sketchsanchez]

I think this being his origin movie, his first time so to speak, will allow them to ''get away with this'' to a lot of people.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

If the movie comes up for a reason for THIS Superman to do it in a convincing, emotionally resonant manner that stays faithful to the logic and world-building that precedes it, then it's possible nobody's going to have a real problem with it. Especially if, as pointed out up-thread, this movie is considered the genesis of Superman's "one rule."

I can also see this being argued as a calculated attempt by Goyer/Nolan/Snyder to specifically hit the audience that thinks Superman is boring and outdated by putting him in this sort of moral compromise.

 

[More_Badass]

So can anyone break down all the action scenes?

I know of the tornado, the Smallville fight, the Metropolis fight, the scene on the oil drill, Krypton

So what happens in the scenes? And why is the tornado scene so essential?

And would you recommend this movie for the action?

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

And that decision leads to a lot of death in this film.

Maybe "being better" requires you to make hard decisions, that nobody else would like to be tasked with.

Also is killing somebody who is in the process of attempting to murder others really an "execution"? Sounds like self-defense of others, which is ethically and legally defensible position for someone to take.

Are you familiar with superman?

 

[Currygan]

Zod is killed..already? Eh, feels a bit rushed doesn't it. One of the very few enemies that can punch him in the stomach and already gone

i felt the same way about Lilo and Bal-El in ASS, although the story was beautiful

 

[Sent]

And would you recommend this movie for the action?

Yes.

 

[Tookay]

Are you familiar with superman?

It sounds like you're bringing an outside cultural conception of a character who has developed over decades into a film version who is: a) just starting out, and b) did something that in our own justice system is considered justified.

And you really didn't address the fact that you conflated a "defense of others" with an "execution," two totally different concepts with different circumstances motivating their actions. It's like people who use the word "murder" and "kill" interchangeably.

 

[sketchsanchez]

If the movie comes up for a reason for THIS Superman to do it in a convincing, emotionally resonant manner that stays faithful to the logic and world-building that precedes it, then it's possible nobody's going to have a real problem with it. Especially if, as pointed out up-thread, this movie is considered the genesis of Superman's "one rule."

I can also see this being argued as a calculated attempt by Goyer/Nolan/Snyder to specifically hit the audience that thinks Superman is boring and outdated by putting him in this sort of moral compromise.

great post.

There will be some spirited discussions, thats for sure.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

He did it in the comics. What's the big deal? As long as he doesn't go around doing it indiscriminately.

 

[B.K.]

He did it in the comics. What's the big deal? As long as he doesn't go around doing it indiscriminately.

So Superman becomes the Cobra Commander. No wonder G.I. Joe never could kill him.

 

[sketchsanchez]

So Superman becomes the Cobra Commander. No wonder G.I. Joe never could kill him.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

It sounds like you're bringing an outside cultural conception of a character who has developed over decades into a film version who is: a) just starting out, and b) did something that in our own justice system is considered justified.

And you really didn't address the fact that you conflated a "defense of others" with an "execution," two totally different concepts with different circumstances motivating their actions. It's like people who use the word "murder" and "kill" interchangeably.

I don't think I have the time to point out how silly this post is in the context of...well the movie and the entire embodiment of the character. Maybe tomorrow.

 

[sketchsanchez]

Sure didn't take long for the condescension, huh.

Nice edit.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

So what about Lois and what happens to Faora?

 

[CitizenVectron]

Superman has pretty much never agreed with this. Hence the problem.

That's because Superman (as a character) is an idiot who values ideology above pragmatism, which makes him somewhat of a zealot. Better to kill one man and save millions than to keep letting the bad guy live. Better to doom yourself to a life of guilt and regret and be the dark knight (so to speak) than to let others suffer so you can feel righteous.

 

[Tookay]

I don't think I have the time to point out how silly this post is in the context of...well the movie and the entire embodiment of the character. Maybe tomorrow.

Well-reasoned post.

 

[Face it Tiger..]

So Zod & the gang don't go into a Negative zone?

 

[Skilletor]

He did it in the comics. What's the big deal? As long as he doesn't go around doing it indiscriminately.

I read that arc as a kid. Didn't he go crazy after? Pretend he was gangbuster and star doing weird stuff like walking around as Clark, but forgetting his glasses? I remember liking it,but I was like 10.

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

I was really hoping this movie would be good to break the DC curse of only having good Batman films. Please be good.

 

[Sent]

I was really hoping this movie would be good to break the DC curse of only having good Batman films. Please be good.

It'll kickstart DC that's for sure. 100% chance they'll make sequels.

 

[GamerXXX]

pretty negative reviews here, yet so many positive ones which also seem legitimate going around as-well. Everyone has their different opinions, I personally didn't like DK yet some thought it was the holy grail of superhero movies. So i may end up loving MOS even though a few here seemed to not like it too much...

 

[GamerXXX]

Did Henry Cavill do a better job than Routh? I have yet to read a negative review on his performance... I'm sure he didn't match Chris Reeve but hopefully he at least was believable

 

[Sent]

Did Henry Cavill do a better job than Routh? I have yet to read a negative review on his performance... I'm sure he didn't match Chris Reeve but hopefully he at least was believable

I liked him better than Routh. Routh did a good job in his own right though with what he had. If he had a good plot then I'm sure people would've loved him.

 

[kunonabi]

I liked him better than Routh. Routh did a good job in his own right though with what he had. If he had a good plot then I'm sure people would've loved him.

I don't know about that. He did a decent impersonation of Reeve's Supes but his Clark was abysmal. He just didn't bring anything to the table.

 

[Jean Valjean]

I'm bummed by the fact that they apparently made "the Clark Kent disguise" useless...

 

[GamerXXX]

get over it people... Superman snapping Zod's neck is not a big deal, geeezz... You could explain it in many different ways. What if Superman just didn't see a better way of saving humanity? It appears Zod wrecks havoc on humans and would've continued to do so if he would've remained alive? Perhaps superman just made the tough decision to kill Zod to save other humans... to finally end the conflict. It doesn't look like Zod was open to reason in this film and it appears he had strong convictions to do whetever he was doing so was superman just gonna keep on fighting him forever? and perhaps see humans die? This is the way i look at it and it makes sense if you get away from this superman BS that he's s saint... no, he has to make tough decisions and this was one of them..

 

[Sent]

I don't know about that. He did a decent impersonation of Reeve's Supes but his Clark was abysmal. He just didn't bring anything to the table.

Yeah I meant as Superman, as Clark /shrug.

Jean Valjean I'm bummed by the fact that they apparently made "the Clark Kent disguise" useless...

In the movie? He doesn't use his "disguise" until the very end. He shows up publicly as Superman and isn't out of the suit until the end. Before he shows up though he's just Clark (and his various aliases for working) and there is no notion of "Superman."

 

[GamerXXX]

'Okay Zod, i won't kill you cause i'm supposed to be a Jesus Christ figure, so we can continue fighting foerever.. if humans die in the process, so be it.. '

i'm perfectly okay with this ending.. makes sense. Let's try and distance Superman from Jesus Christ, he's no Jesus... I know some think he is, but he isn't.

 

[clay_ghost]

Any links to the DC universe? Its there a Arrow or batman cameo or even plastic man?

 

[Sent]

Any links to the DC universe? Its there a Arrow or batman cameo or even plastic man?

Links to the rest of the DC universe? Yes.

 

[clay_ghost]

Links to the rest of the DC universe? Yes.

Good , i am in now. Will watch as long as its better than green lantern.

 

[Sent]

Good , i am in now. Will watch as long as its better than green

Light years ahead of GL.

 

[More_Badass]

Anyone?

So can anyone break down all the action scenes?

I know of the tornado, the Smallville fight, the Metropolis fight, the scene on the oil drill, Krypton

So what happens in the scenes? And why is the tornado scene so essential?

 

[Sent]

Anyone?

Too hard to break them down, or I'm too lazy to.