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Square's 1/18 Premiere Conference Detailed [Versus, Agito, KH3D, KHBBS:FM, Dissidia]
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APZonerunner said:
I think if the FFXIII team can release their next game (FFXIII-2 or FFXV) by mid-2012, and if Versus actually can ship in 2011 with KH3 released by 2013, S-E definitely would have shown that they have changed the way they operate.
Another title to watch out for would be KH3D on 3DS. Currently it has no release window at all, if they announce at the conference that it will be released by 2012, it will also show that another team is starting to have faster turn around times. KH BbS took 3 years or more to develop on the PSP. Since the exact same team started on KH3D right after BbS, it'll be interesting to see how long they take to deliver a brand new KH experience with all new worlds this time.
Castor Krieg
Banned
duckroll said:
I think it's impossible to have two FF HD titles shipped within one year from each other. If they really push it we will get Versus Dec 2011 in Japan, FFXIII-2 Dec 2012, and FFXV in 2014.
Wazzim said:
I wouldn't be surprised if VersusXIII and FFXIII shared many development philosophies, then after FFXIII got blasted for being boring, long, straight-corridor run they started to re-do parts of VersusXIII already completed.
GoldandBlue
Member
This is what I'm hoping for.MrDenny said:
Oh SE, even a Closed Mega Stream.
badcrumble
Member
Do we have any idea when KH 3D is supposed to come out? If we get release dates on KH 3D and Versus at the January event, it'll at least give us something of a better idea of when KH3 might happen.duckroll said:
Also, you forgot "or FFVIIR" when you were talking about the FFXIII team.
Castor Krieg said:
You just said it's impossible and then basically went on to say it's possible? What? Make up your mind.
Why would you think that when everything Nomura has said about VersusXIII since before FFXIII was even shown to be playable indicated the game was very different from FFXIII? It was designed as a polar opposite in many ways, from gameplay to story.
Pureauthor
Member
duckroll said:
Maybe he meant like 1st Dec 2011 and 31st Dec 2012 respectively.
Castor Krieg
Banned
duckroll said:
Fine, there's 1% probability it could happen. And since you love to be so picky, explain to me how past experiences at S-E make you think they can both come out within 12 months? They will cut development from 5 years to 1-2 years? :lol
duckroll said:
Nomura can stfu for all I care, this is a guy who made convoluted mess that is KH (and yes, unlike you, I play RPGs for the damn story), how can you not take everything he says with huge grain of salt?
As for playable parts - it was when? 2008? You think they couldn't have changed things in 3 years? :lol I love how you comment on "gameplay and story" when we know nothing about any of them.
jett said:
LOL probably after a mega bomb, all the hate they're getting and the profit collapse......someone has finally realized that they can't afford the private theatre bullshit anymore.
About Versus.......is this isn't released in December 2011 in Japan and Spring 2012 in US/Euro it will be a total joke.
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
WHO CARES ABOUT THE CHARACTER SPEAKING?!
Show some gameplay, make a playable demo. Prove this game actually exists.
Er, about Versus, naturally.
Show some gameplay, make a playable demo. Prove this game actually exists.
Er, about Versus, naturally.
duckroll said:
What do you mean nothing? Why are they limiting the stream to 10k people? :lol Frankly, Squeenix's business practices baffle me, between this and their Closed Mega Theater thing it's like they want the first glimpse people get of their games be in grainy, twisted, poorly-encoded handycam'd video quality.
Castor Krieg said:
The cycle between S-E games are growing shorter and shorter this generation. 358/2 Days for the DS was in development for well over 2 years before being released. On the other hand, Re:Coded was development in under a year. Dissidia took over 3 years to make, Dissidia 012 has been in development for a year or so, and will be coming out in March.
There is no reason to believe that with the engine and experience on the hardware in place now, the FFXIII team cannot make a new game in 2 years. Especially if it is a sequel to FFXIII which uses many of the same assets. Sure, it might not happen, but it's definitely not as unlikely as you make it sound. The Versus team is an entirely different team, and they'll be moving on to KH3 once Versus is complete.
That's kinda ignorant don't you think? Your entire logic here is that you don't like the shitty scenarios the guy writes, and therefore whatever he says in interviews cannot be true regardless of his track record of being probably the most honest and straightforward S-E staff in interviews for the last 10 years. It seems extremely fanboyish to go "HAHA THE GUY WRITES SHIT STORIES WHO CARES WHAT HE SAYS!" honestly...
jett said:
It's Niconico Douga. Maybe you're not familiar with the service, but it's a video streaming service like Youtube, except in Japan. When they do live streams for events, the slots are ALWAYS limited. If you want to reserve a slot to get certainty of access, you have to pay for a premium account. All free accounts have to wait until the stream starts and just hope they can get in. Square Enix is circumventing this practice to give priority reservation to Square Enix Members. It is a favor S-E is doing, and you're bashing them for it. :lol
Castor Krieg
Banned
duckroll said:
How can you say that when after coming back to Versus the moment FFXIII was completed (let's say October/November 2009) they are still not able to show gameplay? I get your logic about Closed Theatre, but shouldn't this be exactly the place where they will showcase it? Even recent info says the emphasis will be on videos. Really? After 12 months they are still not able to come out with 5 minutes location demo?
This shows that everyone at S-E, no matter what team, has difficulty creating HD games.
In my opinion it's likely that right now the whole FFXIII team will jump to Versus to help finish it.
Went overboard with Nomura, true, esp. since he made best jRPG this gen - TWEWY.
doubt it, in the interview in Ultimania Omega Kitase and Toriyama said that Wada wants a game from the team out every two years, so they must be working on something and with these strong hints to a sequel of sorts to XIII, I think they must be working on something different. with reusing assets, I think it's very possible that they can make a game in much shorter time period.Castor Krieg said:
edit: also showing videos doesn't mean it's going to be all cutscenes you know, the game is just not playable in this event, nothing unusual about it.
badcrumble
Member
There is no video streaming site but NicoNico Douga and Yoichi Wada is its prophet.DaBuddaDa said:
YouTube? Akamai? Never heard of 'em.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
duckroll said:If you only care about the story for KH, there is no reason to keep playing the games. It's just a convoluted mess of shit. I don't think most people play the games for the story though.
Step into KH-dedicated forums. Bring some holy water.
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
Heh, it's even present here. Every KH thread has a small handful of people taking that shit seriously.Regulus Tera said:
I'm in for every game in the series for the great gameplay and Disney fanservice.
I watch the cut-scenes just to make fun of them.
Castor Krieg said:
I don't disagree that S-E has had a very hard time with HD development with their first flagship titles. What I disagree on is that moving forward, that this will not change at all. Like I said, Versus is a different team from FFXIII, so any experiences the FFXIII learned while developing it would not be something the core Versus team has to share. They would certainly have gotten advice from their colleagues about certain problems they ran into, and how they tackled them, but in the end its still a learning process.
What I'm talking about is the next phase. What the FFXIII team is doing now, and what the Versus team will be doing after they finish Versus. There is no reason to believe that there is no way the team has not learned very valuable production lessons, which will speed up their next game significantly. I don't see why it is out of the question that we will see a game from them out in 2012. This really has no bearing on Versus whatsoever.
As for gameplay. I don't really see the big deal. If Versus is indeed planned for a Dec 2011 release, they don't have to actually have the game playable at a press conference in January. This is a press conference to announce new titles and updates on existing titles, obviously such a conference will mostly be video footage. That's not to say the trailers will not feature extensive gameplay footage. Ultimately that is really all that matters. If they show a bunch of CG trailers, then yes the conference indicates that all their projects are doomed and they should be shipped to a slave mine in Russia or something, I'll totally agree. I just don't think that will be a case at all.
For gameplay demos there are much better venues to offer such hands-on: E3, GC, TGS, and whatever other Versus/Agito events organized by S-E later on in 2011. Note that this conference is held in a cinema hall. It's not the best place to arrange for a bunch of demo booths for the 100+ people attending each session to get their turn to try it out. Aside from the time constrain, there's also the consideration that if they offer Versus on demo, they would have to offer Agito as well, doubling the number of demo stations they would have to prepare and also adding more time to their event. They're already holding the event twice in that day because of capacity concerns, I don't think adding demos to that is even realistic.
Lots of things to consider if you sit down and think about it.
DaBuddaDa said:
Square Enix has never done this, they have no experience in this, no one expects them to. Even Sony doesn't stream their own conferences, they partner with IGN or whatever other media partner with actual experience in streaming and broadcasting to arrange such things. If S-E partnered with a media partner in Japan which offered to put it up for free and design a page for S-E so they could stream it to everyone for free, I'm sure they would have done so. Unfortunately, Japanese media press does not operate that way.
APZonerunner
Member
duckroll said:
I think the key thing about what you're saying here is that you're talking about reusing assets. Re:Coded is a remake of a game that already exists, so that cuts down on things to be developed, and Duodecim is really the "Super" to Dissidia's "Street Fighter" more than a full-on thing. Both of these should have shorter dev cycles by their very nature, likewise for FF4's complete edition - the question is how Square Enix will fare when the time comes to create something 100% new from the ground up. I suppose KH3 - if it's a HD title and doesn't end up on Wii, 3DS or PSP2 where older assets could be more easily reused - will be that first test.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
People can hate on Nomura all they want (or at least that one dude can) but Birth By Sleep is one of the best games of the year.
APZonerunner
Member
duckroll said:
Well, with the 3DS specs falling where they fall, who knows how much of that will wind up being reused stuff from the PS2 titles, or even BBS? That's what I mean; the real test will be, I think, when stuff comes 100% ground up. While they'll have to build an engine and whatnot for KH3D, if they build the engine similarly to the PSP or PS2 KH titles they could reuse assets in the form of touched-up models, locations, textures and all that - which would save them a massive amount of time. Indeed, the single screenshot we've seen is of a location and character models from other games in the series.
About goddamn fucking time, got through end of high school, a levels and 2 years of uni since versus was announced. That is a very long time for people whom don't know, an extremely lengthy period of time. THE reason along with GT5 for purchasing a PS3 at launch for £425, one has already disappointed me a lot however Nomura I love.
Don't give two fucks about the 3DS KH game, will start worrying about the handheld and it's games once it drops in price and the 3rd-4th version releases. Good for some Agito, easily my most anticipated handheld game.
Is he still chubby? Man needs some gym time WADA!
APZonerunner said:
I don't know if I really agree. FF does the same thing. Are you saying that FF4-6 and FF7-9 did not reuse assets between games? Monster sprites, spell effects, backgrounds, stuff here and there were reused as well. KH is the same thing. Every major KH game honestly doesn't have a lot of reuse in terms of actual game design, area design, and the majority of assets which matter. KH, KH2, and KH BbS are the "major" KH entries so far.
KH3D is the next major entry. Nomura has already confirmed that like BbS, the worlds will all be brand new. The tech demo shown featuring Sora and Riku is a tech demo done in a month or so to showcase the capabilities of the system, it does not represent actual game assets. It was way too early for that. Considering KH3D is going to be the same undertaking as BbS, I think it would serve as a very good example of whether one specific team (S-E Osaka) has improved on their development cycle.
HamPster PamPster
Member
Active Time Babble has lead me to believe that the *actual* dev time on XIII was like a year and a half and that issues with the engine and other problems delayed development of the game (although planning and such were still going on)
I have no idea if its true or not but faster turn around times on games wouldn't surprise me.
Don't disappoint me SE! Remember PS1? FF=>non-FF=>FF=>non-FF=>FF=>non-FF
damn those were the days
I have no idea if its true or not but faster turn around times on games wouldn't surprise me.
Don't disappoint me SE! Remember PS1? FF=>non-FF=>FF=>non-FF=>FF=>non-FF
damn those were the days
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
duckroll said:
It sounds as if KH3D will end up being the actual Kingdom Hearts III.
HamPster PamPster
Member
Regulus Tera said:
Maybe Kingdom Hearts III is actually three seperate games O_O
Birth By Sleep
3DS
_____
It will all make sense once you line the covers up. Nomura really is on a different level than us
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
I think they're planning something big and special for KHIII proper.. or at least whatever it is they want the primary team working on it, which is locked up until 2016 on finishing Versus XIII.Regulus Tera said:
But, it does sound like KH3D will at least be a significant side-game, like BBS.
HamPster PamPster said:
I was already saying this when the previous KH "triology" was announced.
Quoting myself:
Btw, Birth by Sleep isn't in the new trilogy, but the previous one (alongside with Days and Coded/Re:Coded).
KH3D will be part of a new trilogy. KH3 should be in this as well, I think. So there's still a 3rd game to be made. Surely a spin-off.
brandonh83
Banned
KingDizzi said:
:lol
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm hyped for dissiada's surprise.
Dead Prince
Banned
we should guess what he'll say. my bet is on a Shakespearian quote.
RustyNails
Member
Kagari said:
When Nomura says that Noctis will speak, he is probably indirectly saying that the entire trailer will be actually voiced, and it means the game is pretty much ready for the first "real" trailer, like FFXIII's trailer at TGS 2008, where they had fully voiced cutscenes and actual gameplay footage (from the demo) for the first time.
Dead Prince
Banned
so there's a possibility of the old footage with voice? ;o and show like 3 second of new area.
paperheart
Banned
Versus better be darn good. I've waited so long, and now it's time for me to cry tears of joy. I'm ready to love a new Final Fantasy again. I really hope that since the trailer will be voiced, that that means that the game will release late 2011. 2012 is too far from now, I need my FF fix next year.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I could be wrong, but I think I remember an article saying that KH 3DS was not KH 3, but that the "3D" stood for something other than "3 Dimensional".Regulus Tera said:
I could be pulling that out of my ass though, gonna look for the article.
andriasang posted a more detailed translation of the interview couple of days ago which is not posted here:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/12/21/fabula_conf_detailed/
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/12/21/fabula_conf_detailed/
Dead Prince
Banned
winter 2011. which is like January 2012. that's my guess for a JP release. really i'm going to import and this time i'm going to learn the language unlike FFXIII which i winged it because the story was so so :lollastinline said: