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Stacey Dash: There shouldn't be a BET or Black History Month

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The One and Done™;192818396 said:
I agree that BET needs to be banned. It's absolutely terrible.

It does not need to be banned. You can just not watch the channel. I stopped watching it years ago. I miss the BET of the 90s...there was good stuff on there back then.

As for Stacey Dash...she could have phrased her thoughts a hell of a lot better. But I think being incendiary was a deliberate part of the plan (both hers and Fox News's). Some of the things she's said and done over the past several years, including her recent 2-week suspension, come across as suspiciously calculated. She may truly believe some of the stuff she's said, but there's likely some trolling mixed in there too. She knows what she's doing.
 
Oh god, why are people getting so PC'd? Fine, go ahead and argue about integration about black culture and stuff. I admit I don't know all the technicals about that stuff or whether or not black people don't need BET (though ignoring why BET was made is ridiculous; black people having their own channel was and still is a huge thing in the media considering how white everything is). Fine, let people talk about that stuff.

But DON'T every talk about double standards for white people for something like this. If it was about the government giving only black people 1 million dollars where other races (including other minorities) get nothing that is a double standard.

But a freaking holdiay celebrating black people from being able to cope through slavery, to push past from being raped and beaten and murdered 10X worse than today's horrible cop killing (yeah news flash, it is STILL going on and will continue to go on) only 50 years ago? F@ck you. No seriously, the ignorance is just disgusting. Her problem is assuming that there is no need for a black history month, that we have finally settled down and can treat each other like equals. She needs to wake up and see that is bull crap. Even if there is equality, we should still have BHM. It isn't to "embarrass" or "shame" white people or act like blacks are different from whites. It is to honor all the victims of the past. You know, the blacks that were tortured, raped, and murdered while people looked the other way?

I am a white man and to hear the words about BHM is "double standard" and "whites don't get their month"... DISGUSTING. We don't get a month, we get a life. We don't get shot for jaywalking or killed for fun.

Note: I am obviously being general. There are tons of white people in need, have gone through horrible things and died young. They have even been racially discriminated.
 
Best thing BET's done in a while.

(aka: their reaction to Stacey on twitter)
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Can you show me on this calendar where Black History Month hurt you?

I haven't said anything bad about black history month. I just said that people saying that every month is white history month are stupid. Go ask someone on the street who an important historical white american figure is and what he did. You'll see.
 
I haven't said anything bad about black history month. I just said that people saying that every month is white history month are stupid. Go ask someone on the street who an important historical white american figure is and what he did. You'll see.

Poor attention spans don't erase the fact that textbooks are written by white people, for white people, about white people.
 
I haven't said anything bad about black history month. I just said that people saying that every month is white history month are stupid. Go ask someone on the street who an important historical white american figure is and what he did. You'll see.

Every time I spend a dollar of every month, a white historical figure comes to mind. How about a Benjamin?
 
I haven't said anything bad about black history month. I just said that people saying that every month is white history month are stupid. Go ask someone on the street who an important historical white american figure is and what he did. You'll see.

What?

You'd get a ton of different answers...

Betchya though if you'd ask about a black historical figure you'd get mostly just MLK because of how under taught black history is...

Thanks for making my point for me
 
If we're 26% of the general viewing audience how come all Latino characters in movies are gangsters, immigrants or poor farmers?

Honestly I think it's because there's a lot less Hispanic male lead actors and Hispanics watch the movies without complaining so Hollywood doesn't even try.
 
I haven't said anything bad about black history month. I just said that people saying that every month is white history month are stupid. Go ask someone on the street who an important historical white american figure is and what he did. You'll see.
We'll see what exactly? Im a little stuck here.

I mean every month largely is white history month. The vast majority of history taught is about white people and what they did.

Uk curriculum goes:

Romans
Anglo saxons
Tudors
Ww1
Ww2
A bit about slavery.

And in all of these there is a focus on what white people did. Its why for example people mock the idea that were black people in Tudor England despite the fact that it was a massive maritime economy with ports full of people from all over the world.

Black people and lets be entirely fair here most other ethnic minorities are usually invisible to the historical narrative taught in schools and when they are mentioned it is only ever as victims. Eg slavery.

Western history tends to neglect and ignore the black agency and achievements of the past, it is something that needs to change and something that BHM goes a small way in redressing.
 
I haven't said anything bad about black history month. I just said that people saying that every month is white history month are stupid. Go ask someone on the street who an important historical white american figure is and what he did. You'll see.

That there are tons of famous white historical figures. The founding fathers is literally an immediate answer if we are talking about historical figures. As someone else pointed out, stuck on trying to think of someone to say? Pull out your wallet and look on your dollar bills.
 
honestly, I don't think I've ever seen a movie with only white people, except maybe pleasantville. Where's the proof that people of color aren't getting their chance in the entertainment business? Shit, my favorite actors, directors, comedians (and top grossing actors) are black. Will Smith, Martin Lawrence, Samuel L. Jackson, Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, Forest Whitaker, Eddie Murphy, Wesley Snipes in the 90s, Bill Cosby in the 90's and so many more.

Let's go down your list of names. Will Smith's wife is leading the charge behind the Oscars' current lack of nominations for minority actors. Martin Lawrence hasn't done anything of note recently, so it's hard to find recent commentary.

Sam Jackson
"When the Oscar nominations came out that year," he says, "I didn't get nominated, but there was like three people from Bugsy, so my wife and I said, 'Well, let's go see Bugsy.' And we're sitting there, and at the end of it we're like, 'Really? Really?' And she actually cried about it. And I think that was the thing that kind of broke us about the whole Academy Awards milieu and whatever it is."

He continues, "When I did get nominated, bullshit started immediately. All of a sudden there were these phone calls going, 'We're gonna [push] John for best actor and you for best supporting actor because we can't have both of you in the same category. I'm like, 'Okay, whatever that means.' Then, all of a sudden, I start going to these things and people start telling me, 'You were amazing in that movie and I'd really like to vote for you, but [Ed Wood's] Martin Landau's been nominated, like, four times, and this might be the last time he has a chance.' I say, 'Oh, so it's an age thing?' And they go, 'What?' And I go, 'Well, Morgan Freeman's old, too. Is he gonna win?' And they go, 'What?!' I was already cynical about it at that point, so the more things I went to that I didn't win, the more I got it. Martin Landau was winning, and then Raul Julia [a nominee in actor in a miniseries or TV movie category, in which Jackson also was a nominee for Against the Wall] died so it was kinda like, 'Oh, shit, that's it for the Golden Globe — hang that up.' "
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/samuel-l-jackson-hollywood-avoids-real-issues-racism-1434772
"It explains things like the shooting of Trayvon Martin, the problems with stop and search, and is just more poignant," Jackson said.

"America is much more willing to acknowledge what happened in the past: 'We freed the slaves! It's all good!' But to say: 'We are still unnecessarily killing black men' – let's have a conversation about that."

Denzel? The Sony leak literally showed Hollywood executives saying they shouldn't have cast Washington to lead the Equalizer.
“I am not saying The Equalizer should not have been made or that African American actors should not have been used (I personally think Denzel Washington is the best actor of his generation),” wrote the producer.

“Casting him is saying we’re okay with a double [baseball term] if the picture works. He’s reliable at the domestic [box office], safe, but has not had a huge success in years.

“I believe that the international motion picture audience is racist – in general pictures with an African American lead don’t play well overseas,” the producer continued.

Forest Whitaker
“There has been a paradigm shift,” says Whitaker, who won an Academy Award in 2007 for his portrayal of Ugandan dictator Idi Amin in The Last King of Scotland. “We’ve moved a long way, but we’re not at a destination point.”

Chris Rock wrote an entire essay about Hollywood's race problem.

Michael B Jordan
“There’s a lack of a black perspective in cinema. And I think it starts from perception, from the point of view of where the content is being created. You have more black writers and creators, and new developers in content that aren’t just the stereotypes that we’re used to being created or portrayed. The African-American experience is different. There are more genuine portrayals in characters that are diverse that somebody from any walk of life can play,” Jordan said. “I think that’s very important to the growth and progression of black cinema — matter of fact, people of color in film generally. The more opportunities, the more roles that are created, the more of those things you start to see, then you will start to see black actors in cinema, in movies, in television.”

My goal is for my choices and opportunities, as well as those of my fellow actors and actresses of color, to be predicated on our talent, ability and passion and not on false notions of what color an artist must be to play certain roles. I've had the honor to portray Black characters written and directed by Black filmmakers—a privilege that too few actors of color enjoy because of the challenges of Black artistry and access behind the camera. But in addition to those wonderful roles, I also want to have the option to play all kinds of parts with no door closed to actors and actresses like myself.

Grew up watching so many black shows. Martin, Fresh Prince, Keenan and Kel, Family Matters, the Cosby show, In Living Color, the Wayans, Steve Harvey show, Sister sister, Jamie Foxx show, different strokes, and so many more. I think black people are the best entertainers. With all these great shows, many of which are still doing reruns, one would think they own the entertainment industry.

In Living Color, as an example, was literally launched to address a similar problem.

Keenen: They told me that I could do anything I wanted, and that's what set the wheels turning. Saturday Night Live was a show every comedian wanted to be on. I just started thinking if I had the chance to do that, what would I do? I was a child of hip-hop, and no one on television was showcasing it.

Rawitt: You weren't seeing Michael Jackson or Diana Ross or Whitney Houston sketches on SNL. There was a huge faction of pop culture that was being ignored.

David Alan Grier (cast, seasons 1-5): It was in the zeitgeist. Eddie Murphy talked about doing it; every black comic and every young black performer who got over always talked about, "It would be great to do a black SNL." Keenen said, "I'm doing it."

Much like the Spike Lee and Tyler Perry situations you talk about later in the post, those creators look for minority actors because those actors lack as many opportunities as their white counterparts.
 
On a side note, Spike Lee and Tyler Perry don't help the cause when they're purposely only hiring black actors for their projects, even if the part doesn't require it. For example, in NBA 2k16, there's a story mode where your family and your player background is black regardless of what skin tone or race you actually are in real life. I can't stand when shit like that is forced on you. One can consider those actions "racist" too.

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1. They don't only hire black actors! Have you watched films by either person!?

2. Are you seriously claiming that one of only very few games starring black people is racist for not letting you be white?

Christ
 
And funny thing is that BET isn't even blacked owned anymore. Bob Johnson sold the network out to Viacom, which is why BET is so garbage nowadays.
 
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1. They don't only hire black actors! Have you watched films by either person!?

2. Are you seriously claiming that one of only very few games starring black people is racist for not letting you be white?

Christ

Yep. Tyler Perry's last film: The Single Mom's Club
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Before that? Madea Christmas, which also starred Larry the Cable Guy and Chad Michael Murray.

Chi-Raq had John Cusack and D.B. Sweeney. Old Boy starred John Brolin and Sharlto Copley.
 
I find it a strange argument to level at the NBA game since I assume you are fine with all the games where you play as predefined characters.
 
Beautiful Post.

People like to deny that there's an issue saying, "Well I just say X in that movie. How can there be a diversity problem?" They don't realize how much these actors have to fight for representation they do get behind the scenes against tired ass mentalities like in the Sony email. That's not to even talk about how often they have to turn down roles that are almost comically stereotypical (which some backwards Hollywood execs would call "giving a chance" even before starring roles) hoping for something that's quality. Jesse Williams talked in an impromptu interview that even as a light-skinned actor, he is confronted with and turns down so many roles for criminals and other such simplistic nonsense just to keep his own sense of pride.
 
Yep. Tyler Perry's last film: The Single Mom's Club
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Before that? Madea Christmas, which also starred Larry the Cable Guy and Chad Michael Murray.

Chi-Raq had John Cusack and D.B. Sweeney. Old Boy starred John Brolin and Sharlto Copley.
Inside Man stared Clive Owen, Jodie Foster, Christopher Plummer, and Willem Dafoe. Perhaps he doesn't actually watch Spike Lee's movies?

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I'm pretty sure Star Wars TFA was the hit it was because the creative team explicitly sought out new demographics that all of the Lucas era ones basically ignored.

I actually made a point to see it because of that. Regardless of whether I'd like the movie, I wanted to support their efforts.
 
Shes uhh... Actually right? Its the same thing as womens art museums, there isnt any mens art museums. It makes them the other.

Much like affirmative action, stuff like the BET should absolutely not exist. But until there's legitimate equality, these refuges must exist.
 
I'd probably never give Will Smith an Oscar if i was on the committee and as for Leonardo, i will be denying him an Oscar too just for giggles.

Stacy is 50? Holyshit
 
Inside Man stared Clive Owen, Jodie Foster, Christopher Plummer, and Willem Dafoe. Perhaps he doesn't actually watch Spike Lee's movies?

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25th hour was a movie with a white lead who was on screen 95% of the film.

Of course that dude hasn't seen Spike Lee films and it's clear that the poster thinks anyone who doesn't support the status quo is a racist against white people and diversity means anti-white.
 
I think I get the point she was trying to make, but I don't believe it was thought out enough. In an ideal world we absolutely do not need and should not need a BET, or affirmative action or anything else like that.

lets just focus on the BET / image awards versus Oscars topic. If the oscars and Hollywood in general was an equal playground for everyone, there wouldn't be a need for a special black TV channel or a special blacks only awards show.

Once equality really happens in this medium, it makes the others irrelevant by nature and they will go away.
Those are my thoughts anyway.
 
Inside Man stared Clive Owen, Jodie Foster, Christopher Plummer, and Willem Dafoe. Perhaps he doesn't actually watch Spike Lee's movies?

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Gonna go ahead and add Josh Brolin and Elizabeth Olsen as well to the list of white actors he has featured front and center in his movies.
 
I think I get the point she was trying to make, but I don't believe it was thought out enough. In an ideal world we absolutely do not need and should not need a BET, or affirmative action or anything else like that.

lets just focus on the BET / image awards versus Oscars topic. If the oscars and Hollywood in general was an equal playground for everyone, there wouldn't be a need for a special black TV channel or a special blacks only awards show.

Once equality really happens in this medium, it makes the others irrelevant by nature and they will go away.
Those are my thoughts anyway.
I don't think I agree with that. Even in a perfect world we would probably still have channels like BET (probably won't be called BET) that try to tap into specific demographics and interests if capitalism is still a thing in this imaginary setting. Which makes this statement from her even sillier to me.
 
"Why don't black Americans want to seamlessly integrate with white culture after all we've done to break down racial barriers? They're refusing to cooperate!"

-more black kids get shot by white police or vigilantes, while a largely black city in MI is literally being poisoned by their water supply while the local govt does nothing-

Hmm, I wonder why there's some hesitation?
 
25 hour was a movie with a white lead who was on screen 95% of the film.

Of course that dude hasn't seen Spike Lee films and it's clear that the poster thinks anyone who doesn't support the status quo is a racist against white people and diversity means anti-white.
Yup.
Gonna go ahead and add Josh Brolin and Elizabeth Olsen as well to the list of white actors he has featured front and center in his movies.
Yup.

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Lol people are still insisting that BET and the BET awards are a "blacks only" thing.

Anything that doesn't support white supremacy is racist or blacks only.
Prefire made that very clear. He clearly doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about but to him, if something has more than two black people, it's anti-white.
 
Anything that doesn't support white supremacy is racist or blacks only.
Prefire made that very clear. He clearly doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about but to him, if something has more than two black people, it's anti-white.
Yeah anything that doesn't pander to white people is no good apparently
 
On a side note, Spike Lee and Tyler Perry don't help the cause when they're purposely only hiring black actors for their projects, even if the part doesn't require it. For example, in NBA 2k16, there's a story mode where your family and your player background is black regardless of what skin tone or race you actually are in real life. I can't stand when shit like that is forced on you. One can consider those actions "racist" too.

Racism sucks and doesn't make sense. So what we look different?

I'm multi-racial

What a garbage post. Are you mad that the Witcher doesn't let you be a black guy too? And you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what racism is, which in 2016 for someone who is "multi-racial", is pretty fucking sad.
 
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