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Stacey Dash: There shouldn't be a BET or Black History Month
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So do I but I doubt he'll be back.
So it's not calm of me to call you out? Okay
He can only see your post if someone quotes you...
I'm sure you can see more boobs (and other stuff) in Mardi Gras than in a Pride Parade.
uncelestial
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And so was born the Valjean Lafitte Continuum of Public Sexual Flaunting™
The scale runs from "Straight people exposing themselves" (worth 1 Valjean Lafitte unit), to "Gay people exposing themselves" (worth 100 Valjean Lafitte units)
A Link to the Past
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ultrazilla
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No she's not. She's gotta tow the line. 😜
There's a lot of hypocrisy going on with this whole issue.
How so?
excelsiorlef
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Yup
Damn. My wife better look that good at 50.
People just think mindsets like that are X or Y minority groups problems. People that feel this way, feel this way about everything. Don't challenge the white-status-quo.
Period bruv.
Chie Satonaka
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Please explain your position in detail.
excelsiorlef
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Gentleman Jack
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The only difference being that one of these clearly makes you uncomfortable. I wonder why that is.
A Link to the Past
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Monocle
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Every major civil rights victory in history started with the marginalized party making themselves highly visible and raising awareness of their issues. When bigots and bigoted institutions bully LGBT people into staying closeted, tell us our rich romantic and sexual lives are a sick joke and that we're disordered perverts who should be ashamed of who we are, and insist that we should just shut up about the major inequalities we still face (which you seem to be content to sweep under the rug), the very last thing we need to be doing is toning ourselves down because privileged straight people are uncomfortable.And I'm sure there was a need for that at some point, but we are rapidly moving out of the age where LGBT people are despised by society. By continually putting on events where they can feel reaffirmed that they are okay, the community is actually strengthening the myth that they're not normal, that they're the "other". There's a huge gulf between the archaic and offensive philosophy of "don't ask, don't tell" and this:
This is not now we straight people celebrate our sexuality at all. Hell, we don't celebrate it period... we just kinda live our lives, and in a society where LGBT individuals are fighting to be accepted (even after the legalization of same-sex marriage), I don't think flashy rainbow parades and "pride" months are the way to show the bigots you're just like everyone else.
lol
Do you think it's OK that I can be evicted from my apartment and fired from my job because I have a boyfriend instead of a girlfriend? That's still legal to do in some states. Do you think trans people should be made to live in mortal fear because they can't walk down the street of any major city without being jeered at, threatened, or even attacked? I'm sorry but you are very uninformed if you think life is peachy for LGBT people just because we're allowed to marry and mainstream media isn't as openly bigoted as it used to be, and we periodically have pride parades as a direct response to social shaming. Incredibly uninformed.
Please learn more about the state of LGBT acceptance before you say any more toxic nonsense.
Valjean Lafitte
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Profoundly ignorant. Just because I genuinely want to learn doesn't mean I have to stand for insults. Again, I'm done here. I made a remark and was gently corrected by some, "called out" for my "profound ignorance" by overzealous others. There's no point in sticking around for more insults when I have better things to do with my time.
If you genuinely wanted to learn, you'd take the L and not bail out when you're on the cusp of actually getting educated.
So, good, see yourself out.
Queer cooties.
What line would that be and who are the hypocrites. Please explain.
Who wants to catch the gay?! You might end up in a banana hammock at a gay pride parade!
Valjean Lafitte
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me said:
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The "cusp" of actually getting educated? Now you're just being smug.The people who wanted to correct my misinformation have corrected it. This thread is not a "turn Valjean into one of us" thread, it's a discussion about Stacey Dash's remarks.
One of what? Someone who doesn't say ignorant shit about gay people? Or do you think they're trying to turn you into a gay?
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
FFS...
It's just that being gay still sucks a lot in most places. There are still areas of the country where stuff like gay bashing is still a hip thing to do. Unless a gay perisn is in a super progressive area they're still going to get shit on immensly just for being themselves whether they're some 12 year-old girl with a butch look or some old gay man going on a date with his husband.
It's easy to think that people are accepting of gay pwrople as a whole, but there are still plenty of people who are furious about gay marriage being legalized and things as petty as having a trans or gay person/couple on mainstream TV.
Welcome to modern neogaf
A Link to the Past
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Didn't I just see you being profoundly ignorant in the thread about the Oklahoma cop?
Well what exactly are you afraid they are going to turn you into?
Valjean Lafitte
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I know this firsthand from living in such an area. I was called faggot, struck in the face, and nearly beaten up in a Walmart parking lot 5 years ago.
Those are all valid points, and I appreciate that you made them without calling me ignorant or insinuating that I'm some backwoods homophobe who is leaving the thread for fear of "being turned into a gay."
Well then what are you afraid about being turned into? It seemed important enough for you to mention so please elaborate.
Valjean Lafitte
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Bait all you want, but I'm not biting.
EdibleKnife
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Who exactly doesn't it help though? Gay people? It continues because it helps and appeals to many in the LGBTQ community and maybe that's worth more than appealing to those who aren't already down with the cause. There's this show called the Savage Lovecast hosted by a guy named Dan Savage, an outspoken gay advice guru who is sort of divisive depending on who you talk to but has grown into a dude focused on sex education and LGBTQ support. Just this last October, he received a call from a young lesbian who called about being abused emotionally by her family after coming out (~32:40). Her parents yelled at her, ignored her, pushed her to get "fixed" by a pastor to become straight. She contemplated suicide, contemplated the hell her parents assured her she'd be cursed to if she continued her life of sin. Basically a personal hell created by her own parents due to the fact that she likes to sleep with women. And Dan's advice was to look for acceptance elsewhere and not seek it from people who obviously weren't interested. Her story is not unfamiliar among people who choose to come out but would you tell her she shouldn't seek that constant reminder of self worth she needs because someone might be turned off by it?
One phrase and they are turned on by people they thought would love them unconditionally. Again this is just last year and her story is just one of many that occur all the time. People stuck and feeling alone who need desperately to hear about their value in a world that denies them value. People can't and shouldn't wait around for love and acceptance from a world that doesn't want them. If a passionate desire to celebrate yourself, find and commune with those like you and remind yourself of your worth you didn't receive from the hetero-normative status quo turns you or anyone else off, that is something you have to work on. The alternative you could only be suggesting is that instead of showing pride and love for themselves, in the way they desire to they should rather not and just...wait quietly until they spontaneously gain acceptance from a world that is still wholly resistant to the basic idea of them. If pride parades, history months and the like have to continue until the end of time, I say let them continue. They help people. They let people know they're not alone. And you haven't acknowledged that prideful displays of self love can also appeal to people outside of that group, not just turn everyone away. Straight people have been and celebrated along side their non-straight non-cis brothers and sisters with as much vigor as anyone else and they are accepted and loved by the community in kind. If any straight person is turned off by grand displays of self love in a world still focused on tearing them down, maybe they weren't worth the effort of appealing to in the first place.
No one is baiting shit. You posted so I am curious what you are afraid of becoming. If you think someone asking you to elaborate on something you post is bait, then why post it in the first place. If that is how you think and feel then why be a coward about it?
Gordon Shumway
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Always baiting..you're worse than Slayven..
excelsiorlef
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I literally showed you that straight people have parades just like pride and you said it didn't count.
Btw Pride these days have massive corporate sponsors. They're hella mainstream. Like Mardi Gras, literally the same thing.
LaserBuddha
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Asking for additional, clarifying commentary on something you posted is only bait if what you originally posted was already problematic and embarrassing.
Monocle
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Really good post.
what i do?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
Yep! Great post.
I can't get into the thought process of anyone who assumes people connecting and celebrating with their peers means they're anti-you.
Lionheart1337
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LOL, you innocent child...
You're the main source for gaffots to join their ranks.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
I just spent the past hour reading this whole thread and wow...just wow..
First I also really want to know what "One of us" is. I can only speculate that you mean people who say showing off your sexuality at Pride parades is okay. You know what, that's because it is. I've been to Mardi gras and I had the pleasure of seeing a lot of people's expose their upper and lower regions of their bodies. And a few straight people actively having sex in a corner because apparently that's what you do at Mardi gras!
When you have a group of people that has been so minimized for so long I can see why they would come out with all their colors showing, in this case their sexuality. Because that's what has always been on trial for them. That they are not allowed to have their sexuality. They're not allowed to explore it and if they do "they're a faggot and a deviant that God will condemn some day, just you wait and see." That's an actual quote by the way. Stupid bigoted family members :{.
As for as why black people want to have things like BET and BHM is because for a long time we were devoid of it and our children are growing up and not being taught at school about our history and if they are it's a small chapter in a text book and parent's have to teach it to them on their own. I think for children that starts a feeling of separation already. Their peers are being taught all the great deeds that white people did and yes they have done some great things but minorities, yea they did some good things but not worth making too much of a fuss over. It's important to teach our children as much as we can about our history. The good and the bad things like slavery and oppression but poof like magic the bad of our history is being slowly phased out. History has a bad way of repeating itself if we don't learn from out mistakes but it feels like our children are not even getting the chance to learn about our mistakes anymore.
If there wasn't a need for BET and BHM I think it would have fizzled out and became non existing a long time ago. Black people are not building a wall around ourselves and posting signs that say no white people allowed. No, we are still reacting to how society has been treating us for years. A society that says stuff like if you have a black sounding name then of course I'm not going to look at your resume, I mean I can just tell by their name that they must be a thug without ever meeting them in person. A society where in a lot of places we're still the bottom of the barrel. Just because the oppression is not as blatant does not mean it's gone at all.
We're more likely to be killed holding a weapon even if we have a license to carry it. Like the black man that was tackled and beaten up because he had an open carry license and his gun holstered in his belt when he walked into a store other shoppers assumed he was there to rob the store. They tackled him and held him in place for the cops even though he begged them to take out his wallet so he could show them his license. We are usually not given the benefit of the doubt, it's just assumed that we're up to no good. On the other side people rarely blink their eyes if a white person carries a gun in open carry place.
Why are the militants that have taken over government land not being called terrorist? That's what they are but we call them militants it sounds better. And the government hasn't stormed the building they're trying to wait them out and communicate with them. But imagine if these people were black? Maybe someone that's an immigrant of Muslim faith. They would be called terrorist and that building would of been stormed a long time ago. Unleash the hounds on them. It feels like there is always a double standard.
I think this issue is popping up now because older white Americans are becoming more and more terrified that they're losing their grip on the power they once held. We hear them say things like why can't things just go back to being like it was when I was growing up! This isn't my America, because back then a lot of the stuff they're getting called out on was okay back. Do people really not understand why it's okay to have something like Black Power but not White Power? Because White Power has always been a thing. It's the normal we all lived in and still live in. I wonder if you asked people what does White Power mean to them I don't think their first thoughts would be something like a joyous celebration of our culture and history. I think a lot of people would be reminded of White Power in more brutal terms such as slavery and the KKK. When I hear White power this is where my mind goes unfortunately. I don't understand the notion of taking away power from people who at times barely had any and giving it to people who has always had power.
As far as Dash is concerned, please tell me what her appearance has to do with what came out of her mouth. It feels like she's getting a pass because she's hot and willing to show you part of her derriere and a side boob peek a boo.
Please forgive my long winded rantings it's just stuff that bugs me. Especially since I've experienced racism first hand and wanted to air my thoughts.
First I also really want to know what "One of us" is. I can only speculate that you mean people who say showing off your sexuality at Pride parades is okay. You know what, that's because it is. I've been to Mardi gras and I had the pleasure of seeing a lot of people's expose their upper and lower regions of their bodies. And a few straight people actively having sex in a corner because apparently that's what you do at Mardi gras!
When you have a group of people that has been so minimized for so long I can see why they would come out with all their colors showing, in this case their sexuality. Because that's what has always been on trial for them. That they are not allowed to have their sexuality. They're not allowed to explore it and if they do "they're a faggot and a deviant that God will condemn some day, just you wait and see." That's an actual quote by the way. Stupid bigoted family members :{.
As for as why black people want to have things like BET and BHM is because for a long time we were devoid of it and our children are growing up and not being taught at school about our history and if they are it's a small chapter in a text book and parent's have to teach it to them on their own. I think for children that starts a feeling of separation already. Their peers are being taught all the great deeds that white people did and yes they have done some great things but minorities, yea they did some good things but not worth making too much of a fuss over. It's important to teach our children as much as we can about our history. The good and the bad things like slavery and oppression but poof like magic the bad of our history is being slowly phased out. History has a bad way of repeating itself if we don't learn from out mistakes but it feels like our children are not even getting the chance to learn about our mistakes anymore.
If there wasn't a need for BET and BHM I think it would have fizzled out and became non existing a long time ago. Black people are not building a wall around ourselves and posting signs that say no white people allowed. No, we are still reacting to how society has been treating us for years. A society that says stuff like if you have a black sounding name then of course I'm not going to look at your resume, I mean I can just tell by their name that they must be a thug without ever meeting them in person. A society where in a lot of places we're still the bottom of the barrel. Just because the oppression is not as blatant does not mean it's gone at all.
We're more likely to be killed holding a weapon even if we have a license to carry it. Like the black man that was tackled and beaten up because he had an open carry license and his gun holstered in his belt when he walked into a store other shoppers assumed he was there to rob the store. They tackled him and held him in place for the cops even though he begged them to take out his wallet so he could show them his license. We are usually not given the benefit of the doubt, it's just assumed that we're up to no good. On the other side people rarely blink their eyes if a white person carries a gun in open carry place.
Why are the militants that have taken over government land not being called terrorist? That's what they are but we call them militants it sounds better. And the government hasn't stormed the building they're trying to wait them out and communicate with them. But imagine if these people were black? Maybe someone that's an immigrant of Muslim faith. They would be called terrorist and that building would of been stormed a long time ago. Unleash the hounds on them. It feels like there is always a double standard.
I think this issue is popping up now because older white Americans are becoming more and more terrified that they're losing their grip on the power they once held. We hear them say things like why can't things just go back to being like it was when I was growing up! This isn't my America, because back then a lot of the stuff they're getting called out on was okay back. Do people really not understand why it's okay to have something like Black Power but not White Power? Because White Power has always been a thing. It's the normal we all lived in and still live in. I wonder if you asked people what does White Power mean to them I don't think their first thoughts would be something like a joyous celebration of our culture and history. I think a lot of people would be reminded of White Power in more brutal terms such as slavery and the KKK. When I hear White power this is where my mind goes unfortunately. I don't understand the notion of taking away power from people who at times barely had any and giving it to people who has always had power.
As far as Dash is concerned, please tell me what her appearance has to do with what came out of her mouth. It feels like she's getting a pass because she's hot and willing to show you part of her derriere and a side boob peek a boo.
Please forgive my long winded rantings it's just stuff that bugs me. Especially since I've experienced racism first hand and wanted to air my thoughts.
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