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[Markitron]

A little bit? The reaction from comics fans towards the films is overall quite a bit more positive than Trek fans to these movies though...

I can't speak for comic book fans, but I assume they get a little more leeway as the stories are being changed from one medium to another. Star Trek has no such excuse for it's genre being changed.

 

[JeffZero]

Everyone else?

That's how Star Trek 09 worked.

Frankly, as a lifelong Trekkie I'm sick and tired of a couple of hundred thousand fellow Trekkies trying to pretend they should matter more to the bottom line than the seven billion non-Trekkies.

 

[Salsa]

I hope the new series isn't anything like this. This does not inspire confidence in me at all.

I bet it won't

i'd honestly bet the new series is even thought from concept to be more in line with what these movies arent, in terms of Star Trek, and bank on the public who's been complaining about these

these films are succesful but i'd be willing to think they'd want to go for both audiences and have something for everyone in the different iterations

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Kirk was riding a motorcycle in the first (Abrams) one. Even had a Fast and Furious moment when he was a kid driving that car.

Change the music to more epic choir music to tell you "DEEP DRAMA!" and people would probably be less negative with the trailer.

This is what I keep saying. The trailer is basically a little more jokey than usual and has a different music choice than what they normally fall back on. But otherwise, looks just like 09 and Into Darkness to me

 

[Frog-fu]

Eesh. Not a great trailer. Pretty bad actually. Could still be a great film, but nothing I've seen in those 90 seconds indicates that.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Frankly, as a lifelong Trekkie I'm sick and tired of a couple of hundred thousand fellow Trekkies trying to pretend they should matter more to the bottom line than the seven billion non-Trekkies.

I'm just happy I finally have a goddamn tag-team partner on this shit.

 

[JeffZero]

Think about this trailer and what gets the general public to buy movie tickets.

1. Star Power
2. Sex
3. Violence
4. Comedy
5. Thrills

All things which are inherently not what Star Trek is at its core, all things that filled the trailer. Thus they are filler.

I think it's just the way you worded the whole piece, man. It just...

...man.

In any case, I'd disagree with comedy not being core Trek, at the very least. And I'd probably argue that violence and thrills matter a lot more to Trek's myriad creators than we tend to think.

 

[Salsa]

Everyone else?

That's how Star Trek 09 worked.

oh I dont know

I really like Star Trek 09 and I've always loved Star Trek

I think there was enough there if you were open enough to it knowing it's the only sorta thing you were gonna get with that budget

there was enough for it to still be Star Trek and for one to get excited about a big budget take on it and all

this seems to have lost like, all of that, to this point. And even if it didnt the surprise of it and the "fresh" take on the characters already got old

not that im surprised

 

[JeffZero]

I'm just happy I finally have a goddamn tag-team partner on this shit.

Swing by the TrekBBS someday. There are like eleven of us.

Spoiler

Versus eleven hundred.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I really like Star Trek 09 and I've always loved Star Trek

Then you're not the people I'm talking about.

Star Trek 09 wasn't aimed at Star Trek fans (although it obviously had them in mind and took care not to leave them in the cold) - it was aimed at everyone else. And that's why it worked as well as it did and led Paramount to the point where getting the Fast & Furious guy and spending 200 mil on it is a no-brainer. Because it's viable in a way the series has never been theatrically.

And it's viable because 09 wasn't aimed at already-hooked Star Trek fans. It was aimed at people who weren't.

 

[CSJ]

Spock wearing a jacket with, what's that.. USS Franklin?
I don't think there's really much canon about that ship.

 

[Markitron]

Frankly, as a lifelong Trekkie I'm sick and tired of a couple of hundred thousand fellow Trekkies trying to pretend they should matter more to the bottom line than the seven billion non-Trekkies.

This is how I felt when Trek 09 came out, as I thought that film was a good compromise between being Star Trek and being more commercial. Into Darkness and (it seems) Beyond, have strayed too far into generic Sci-Fi action/fantasy.

 

[Salsa]

Then you're not the people I'm talking about.

the people you're talking about you can't aim for cause you ain't gonna hit them even with fuckin Hawkeye reflexes

im a big star trek fan <> I went to a con like, once, and I didnt dress up. So I aint that either

ultimately we agree tho, I think


edit: think I read your first comment as refering to huge star trek fans rather than everyone else

eh you get my point. I certainly think there's room for this for people who looooooooove star trek if they're the least bit realistic about it, and that up to this point it, like you said, didnt leave those people in the cold

seems they're straight up leaving them now is what im saying

 

[Hagi]

The biggest problem the last film had was stupidly trying to pander to Trek fans and failing in the worst way possible. This film seems to just going for broke and just letting Lin and co make a fun romp. Hopefully it turns out okay and Vin Diesel has a cameo in the final act reminding Kirk about the importance of family before flying away in his 1970 Dodge Charger.

 

[Sephzilla]

You would think that after multiple Star Trek movies they'd learn that wrecking/blowing up the Enterprise doesn't work as a tension building device anymore.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Then you're not the people I'm talking about.

Star Trek 09 wasn't aimed at Star Trek fans (although it obviously had them in mind and took care not to leave them in the cold) - it was aimed at everyone else. And that's why it worked as well as it did and led Paramount to the point where getting the Fast & Furious guy and spending 200 mil on it is a no-brainer. Because it's viable in a way the series has never been theatrically.

And it's viable because 09 wasn't aimed at already-hooked Star Trek fans. It was aimed at people who weren't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02LgdXVkXgM

 

[HUELEN10]

Spock wearing a jacket with, what's that.. USS Franklin?
I don't think there's really much canon about that ship.

Wow, GREAT find!

:O

 

[lastplayed]

Spock wearing a jacket with, what's that.. USS Franklin?
I don't think there's really much canon about that ship.

Would be nice to see some other Starfleet ships that aren't either space debris or trying to attack them.

 

[Sephzilla]

Then you're not the people I'm talking about.

Star Trek 09 wasn't aimed at Star Trek fans (although it obviously had them in mind and took care not to leave them in the cold) - it was aimed at everyone else. And that's why it worked as well as it did and led Paramount to the point where getting the Fast & Furious guy and spending 200 mil on it is a no-brainer. Because it's viable in a way the series has never been theatrically.

And it's viable because 09 wasn't aimed at already-hooked Star Trek fans. It was aimed at people who weren't.

Weren't Wrath of Khan, Voyage Home, and First Contact all viable theatrically?

 

[enzo_gt]

Looks pretty freaking bad. =[

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Good to see the Enterprise is gonna get wrecked third movie in a row.

 

[Future Foundation]

I can't speak for comic book fans, but I assume they get a little more leeway as the stories are being changed from one medium to another. Star Trek has no such excuse for it's genre being changed.

Wasn't that one of the hallmarks of Trek, that it could be different genres and not limit itself?

 

[Markitron]

Weren't Wrath of Khan, Voyage Home, and First Contact all viable theatrically?

Depends on how you define it. They did reasonably well at the time IIRC, but Trek never had theatrical success on that level till the '09 film.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Weren't Wrath of Khan, Voyage Home, and First Contact all viable theatrically?

Not to the extent 09 & Into Darkness were. I never said the series wasn't viable before, just that it's never been AS viable as it is right now.

Wasn't that one of the hallmarks of Trek, that it could be different genres and not limit itself?

EXACTLY.

 

[Salsa]

Star Trek has no such excuse for it's genre being changed.

lol

going for this budget and wide of an audience appeal is as big a change as a completely different format

 

[Sephzilla]

Good to see the Enterprise is gonna get wrecked third movie in a row.

Third movie in a row? It's more than that if you count the movies before the reboot.

--Enterprise D gets blown up in Generations
--Borg Assimilate most of the ship in First Contact
--The Sona beat up the Enterprise E pretty good in Insurrection
--Troi rams the Enterprise E into Tom Hardy's ship in Nemesis
--JJ Enterprise gets beat up a bunch in Trek 09
--Takes a boatload of damage during Into Darkness
--Seemingly gets blown up in Beyond

The Enterprise getting beat up/destroyed has been done 7 straight movies. Insurrection is the only movie in this list where the damage the Enterprise takes is somewhat minimal.

 

[TyrantII]

Frankly, as a lifelong Trekkie I'm sick and tired of a couple of hundred thousand fellow Trekkies trying to pretend they should matter more to the bottom line than the seven billion non-Trekkies.

Canon kills.

 

[JeffZero]

Hell, the franchise is currently viable enough that we're finally getting a new show. Now mind you, I'd attribute 51% of that to Trek's staying power in the streaming space. But another 48% of it regards these movies.

(The remaining 1% is fans like me never, ever, ever shutting up. Ever.

Ever.)

 

[Markitron]

lol

going for this budget and wide of an audience appeal is as big a change as a completely different format

I don't see your point. The 09 film had a big budget and mass appeal without managing to offend all Star Trek fans.

 

[Salsa]

we were always gonna get a new show eventually

we'll always get a new show

 

[Instro]

The biggest problem the last film had was stupidly trying to pander to Trek fans and failing in the worst way possible. This film seems to just going for broke and just letting Lin and co make a fun romp. Hopefully it turns out okay and Vin Diesel has a cameo in the final act reminding Kirk about the importance of family before flying away in his 1970 Dodge Charger.

Vin should show up as a Klingon.

In all seriousness, I don't so much mind what they do with the film franchise if the TV show is more of a typical Trek outing. I doubt that will happen of course, but maybe.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Holy shit that looks awful.

I quite liked the first Abrams Star Trek...

Oh well.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Watching that trailer, I miss JJ's shiny new aesthetic. This looks kinda washed out.

 

[Dcube]

...the hell was that? I'd like to think I give anything a fair chance but that trailer hurt.

 

[JeffZero]

we were always gonna get a new show eventually

we'll always get a new show

I like the way you think, I won't deny it. Opposite sides of the fence re: this trailer or not, I'll take anyone as an ally who has optimism like this.

And I agree that it's probably a realistic statement, too. But the number of fans deadpan-convinced ENT was the absolute end is staggering.

 

[Salsa]

I don't see your point. The 09 film had a big budget and mass appeal without managing to offend all Star Trek fans.

oh I agree then

I thought your comment was saying that the film actually did change the series genre

which, it did, in a way. It aint no longer about crew and intergalactic politics as much as it is about action and setpieces

was saying that the change to that budget and public grabbin was always gonna go hand to hand with that, in the same way that you always lean into that if you're turning a book or a comic into a blockbuster

in that way it's similar to it being adapted from a different medium

 

[TyrantII]

Depends on how you define it. They did reasonably well at the time IIRC, but Trek never had theatrical success on that level till the '09 film.

Pretty sure Voyage Home is still the best performing Trek film adjusted for inflation. Baby wheels did it.

 

[Grimsen]

Sooo, Cardassians enslave the crew plus a bunch of Andorians (who do martial arts!), and Kirk and co end up repairing an old ship to escape and be awesome?

I'm in.

 

[Sephzilla]

I like the way you think, I won't deny it. Opposite sides of the fence re: this trailer or not, I'll take anyone as an ally who has optimism like this.

And I agree that it's probably a realistic statement, too. But the number of fans deadpan-convinced ENT was the absolute end is staggering.

Which is sad because seasons 3 and 4 of Enterprise are legitimately some great Star Trek

 

[Maintenance]

Someone must be making a shitton of money repairing the Enterprise, that's gotta be the most profitable job in that universe.

Best fictional jobs: selling NOS in the F&F universe, repairing the Enterprise.

 

[jrush64]

Looks pretty great. As someone who's in the everyone else crowd and enjoyed Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness, very much looking forward to this.

 

[lastplayed]

Third movie in a row? It's more than that if you count the movies before the reboot.

--Enterprise D gets blown up in Generations
--Borg Assimilate most of the ship in First Contact
--The Sona beat up the Enterprise E pretty good in Insurrection
--Troi rams the Enterprise E into Tom Hardy's ship in Nemesis
--JJ Enterprise gets beat up a bunch in Trek 09
--Takes a boatload of damage during Into Darkness
--Seemingly gets blown up in Beyond

The Enterprise getting beat up/destroyed has been done 7 straight movies. Insurrection is the only movie in this list where the damage the Enterprise takes is somewhat minimal.

TMP and Final Frontier are the only movies where the Enterprise didn't get a whacking.

 

[JeffZero]

Which is sad because seasons 3 and 4 of Enterprise are legitimately some great Star Trek

They're the reason I rate ENT so highly, yeah. They're two terrific seasons.

A lot of folks only seem to like 4, and a few only like 3, but I'm hard-pressedo to find anyone who made it past the first two seasons and didn't have SOMETHING positive to say about the last two.

 

[Sephzilla]

TMP and Final Frontier are the only movies where the Enterprise didn't get a whacking.

It's really sad the movies lean on that crutch so much to build tension. TOS and TNG were able to make plenty of tense situations without resorting to blowing up the ship every movie. The only time in the movies I felt it really worked was Wrath of Khan

They're the reason I rate ENT so highly, yeah. They're two terrific seasons.

A lot of folks only seem to like 4, and a few only like 3, but I'm hard-pressedo to find anyone who made it past the first two seasons and didn't have SOMETHING positive to say about the last two.

IMHO season 3 felt like the writers tapped into some of the DS9 greatness with the overarching storyline for the entire season. Season 4 felt like they found the TNG magic.

 

[The Faceless Master]

i can't even be upset at this. they picked Justin Lin so can i really be shocked that he took space to the extreme?

 

[Salsa]

I've always kinda sided with the whole "canon kills shit" grant morrison type of argument, in some ways

I want a star trek anthology series

 

[JeffZero]

IMHO season 3 felt like the writers tapped into some of the DS9 greatness with the overarching storyline for the entire season. Season 4 felt like they found the TNG magic.

Spot. On.

 

[Tookay]

TMP and Final Frontier are the only movies where the Enterprise didn't get a whacking.

Voyage Home!

But that's because it was being rebuilt off-screen....

 

[KarmaCow]

Happy 50th anniversary!

 

[LuciusAxelrod]

TMP and Final Frontier are the only movies where the Enterprise didn't get a whacking.

Wasn't the ship not even in The Voyage Home? They had a Bird-of-Pray since the Enterprise got destroyed in Star Trek 3.