What they did in 09 or STID is irrelevant. They made this movie partially about how important the crew is to Kirk and didn't actually have the crew do anything.
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Star Trek Beyond (Justin Lin, 2016) - Spoiler Thread
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The crew has always been important to Kirk, that was a big part of Into Darkness. In fact that might have been a deliberate throwback to Into Darkness. I don't know what you expected. The command crew had tons of time and did more meaningful things than recent Trek movies. Now did the redshirts have time besides the alien lady who got murdered? No, but they rarely get time anyway. Kirk's command crew is extremely skilled and really that's all that matters.
orthodoxy1095
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Easily.
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Lots more. Into Darkness hurt me with how dumb it was. Beyond is more lighthearted and has a much smarter script at the same time.
And it has Lin's take on Star Trek vehicle action, which makes for a lot of kinetic sequences.
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It was fun. However, the shaking cam fight scenes and sometimes the editing can get quite annoying, and thankfully those are only minor. Visuals and cinematography was great. Story was good too, although the film has some pacing problems I think. I like it much better than STID, that's for sure. I will need to sleep on the film before I can compare it to ST09.
It had a lighter tone to it. But i wouldn't really call it fun or funny.
I really don't understand what people are finding "smart" to the script. Villain abandoned on planet with ultra convenient fountain of youth tech and mega weapon isn't particularly smart to me.
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Into darkness was one of the worst movies I've seen in theatres.
This was a great movie.
Only gripe I had about the movie was how Uhura kept chilling around with Krall and answered all his questions - when she should've just been replying with her name, rank and serial number like Pike did with whatshisname?
But I guess they needed her to do something and hers was easily the weakest plotline.
But I guess they needed her to do something and hers was easily the weakest plotline.
It's simple, straightforward, makes sense, and doesn't leave the viewer lost in some needlessly complicated web of increasingly unnecessary story beats just because it can.
That's what a "smart" script is.
Also the characters arcs don't retread over their predecessors and the nostalgia pandering is handled in a mature way that doesn't come off as nostalgia pandering.
Jibber Hack
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This was my experience.
I'd say there's plenty of elements that are unnecessary and make little sense. villain motivations, transporter capabilities, magic music, convoluted gravity rollercoaster, etc.
Yeah, I spoke to this earlier, but I just didn't see the arcs that you guys did. I know what they were going for, but in execution it really just felt like Kirk needed some action to snap him out of his malaise. There just wasn't enough to Krall that makes me believe their interaction makes Kirk understand the merit of the Federation's mission.
Heck, even Spock. It just seems like all he needed was Uhura's life to be threatened for him to realize maybe they shouldn't have broken up. I don't find that interesting.
Succinct Verbosity
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Pretty divisive movie, even amongst trek fans. Way more divisisve than Into Darkness, which is weird.
Do you guys think that they should play with the "time travel" aspect now that Ambassador Spock has died?
Like, Spock knowing the future and that forcing him to impact the future and change the outcome?
I just wonder if that could work for explaining Chekov being dead in the next film. Plus it would allow them to play around with other stuff. Maybe Starbase Yorktown really is using the tech that Spock brought back in ST09, and that jump in tech is what brings some new race into the mix that wouldn't have even noticed them before.
I mean, it's a slippery slope... and I personally wouldn't do it. But I could still see a situation where they did it and it worked out well.
Like, Spock knowing the future and that forcing him to impact the future and change the outcome?
I just wonder if that could work for explaining Chekov being dead in the next film. Plus it would allow them to play around with other stuff. Maybe Starbase Yorktown really is using the tech that Spock brought back in ST09, and that jump in tech is what brings some new race into the mix that wouldn't have even noticed them before.
I mean, it's a slippery slope... and I personally wouldn't do it. But I could still see a situation where they did it and it worked out well.
Succinct Verbosity
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Trek should stay far away from time travel for a long time. I'm not saying time travel should be ruled out entirely, but it's something that is way too played out at this point.
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Its logic is internally consistent.
It allows the user to draw conclusions about the characters' thoughts and relationships without making them blaringly obvious.
The characters feel well-realized and their motivations make sense. Krall didn't start as a villain, he started as disaffected and as a man without a place in society. He lost his humanity from the isolation and the alien transformation, and he had a century to put together a way to get off the world and take revenge.
The concessions to the action movie format don't require leaps of logic to be justified, and in fact they mostly feel at home with the rest of the script. The motorbike and "Sabotage" itself don't feel out of place because we already associate them with this version of Kirk. And the use of "Sabotage" is a cheeky call-out to the fact that they are carrying out, well, sabotage, but it's not written on the screen in block letters.
The in-universe plausibility of the events of the movie are consistent with the established (non-Abrams) Trek universe (i.e. no interstellar transporter).
References are made to existing continuity that make sense and expand the world, without reaching too far to tie major events together.
The scriptwriter knew when to fill things in and when to use restraint.
There is no way this is true. It's the day after release at this point.
Please no time travel.
You know what I would enjoy? Borg. Just give me 23 century Borg. Make it so that a ship got lost in our quadrant because of a wormhole and that they target the federation and the enterprise find them..something like that.
I mean I know it won't happen. It will probably be a Klingon movie
but I can dream~
You know what I would enjoy? Borg. Just give me 23 century Borg. Make it so that a ship got lost in our quadrant because of a wormhole and that they target the federation and the enterprise find them..something like that.
I mean I know it won't happen. It will probably be a Klingon movie
hopefully with a good Klingon design and not the one from into darkness
DrForester
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Have to have Time Travel. It's the 4th movie.
2nd movie. Khan
3rd movie. Destroy the Enterprise, get stranded on a planet
4th movie. Time Travel
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You fuck around with time travel and that means no Jaylah.
I'm not playing that game.
I want to see more bants between her and Montgomery Scotty.
I'm not playing that game.
I want to see more bants between her and Montgomery Scotty.
ZeroTheShadow
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It was the worst of the three reboots but it wasn't bad. It was just too by the numbers & the subplots were not developed enough. Here's hoping for a City on the Edge of Forever 4th film.
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I'm guessing the only time travel in the fourth movie will be some kind of time tunnel created by the crash with the Narada. Or there could be stasis involved - some kind of transporter holding pattern like with Scotty in that TNG episode - or some version of the Nexus. Plenty of Trekky ways to bring George Kirk forward that don't involve going back in time.
So can someone explain a few things to me?
1) Krull's soldiers, were they drone robots or actual people? Thought he mentioned he got there and there were drones, but that girl seemed to be his race and helping him? edit: Also the only city/town has like room for 6 people...
2) Was that girl working with him and her crew was made up?
3) So Into Darkness cuts off at the beginning of their deep space mission, and in this one the whole plot revolves around a planet 5 mins from a space station?
That's so disappointing, wanted to see more cool locales.
1) Krull's soldiers, were they drone robots or actual people? Thought he mentioned he got there and there were drones, but that girl seemed to be his race and helping him? edit: Also the only city/town has like room for 6 people...
2) Was that girl working with him and her crew was made up?
3) So Into Darkness cuts off at the beginning of their deep space mission, and in this one the whole plot revolves around a planet 5 mins from a space station?
That's so disappointing, wanted to see more cool locales.
orthodoxy1095
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I feel like with the kinetic energy of the movie, that was an incredibly obtuse and unexplained way to have that change.
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Yorktown was really gorgeous. It was like a utopia out of a JRPG. I really liked seeing a locale that is totally plausible within Trek but would be way too expensive to show on a TV show (or even in the low-budget movies post-Motion Picture).
Tal Shiar Agent
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1) Krull, the Lieutenant, and the Woman are the three surviving members of the Franklin crew. Every other soldier was a drone.
2) See above.
3) Yes. Yorktown was at the very edge of Federation space. All beyond was uncharted.
OfficerRaichu15
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Love how Spock gets made fun of for practically tracking his girlfriend unintentionally.
It's smart because it doesn't beat the viewer over the head with what's happening. It's the Star Trek version of the show and don't tell directive of good cinematography.
Too bad they didn't call Krall's doomsday weapon Krull. That would have been perfect.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Just realized that if Krall was a MACO and fought in the Xindi Incident, then he had to have served on the NX-01 Enterprise when it went into The Expanse. No other MACOs fought Xindi.
TrumanBurbank
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Completely false. Even Devin Faraci who is the KING of Star Trek nerds loves it.
Just saw this and loved it. Really loved the Enterprise callbacks as well, the NX style of the Franklin, phased pulse cannons, spatial torpedoes, polarised hull plating and mention of the Xindi.
What insanely pissed me off though was describing the Franklin as being the first Warp 4 ship when the NX class were Warp 5. If they wanted the Franklin to be first of something then for the time period it should have been first Warp 7 ship, or a Warp 7 prototype given its small size.
I only saw it briefly too but I think the registry number was way too high, even higher than Enterprise. It should've been maybe NCC-100 or thereabouts at most if it was one of the first ships of the Federation Starfleet rather than UE Starfleet.
What insanely pissed me off though was describing the Franklin as being the first Warp 4 ship when the NX class were Warp 5. If they wanted the Franklin to be first of something then for the time period it should have been first Warp 7 ship, or a Warp 7 prototype given its small size.
I only saw it briefly too but I think the registry number was way too high, even higher than Enterprise. It should've been maybe NCC-100 or thereabouts at most if it was one of the first ships of the Federation Starfleet rather than UE Starfleet.
My friend is a big Trekkie fanboy and seems to think the movies are worse because of Pegg's involvement which surprised me since I think he's a great writer/actor normally. Is this sentiment common in the fanbase or is he way off base? (He's also one of the insane people thinking that BVS was a good movie lol)
Aztechnology
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Agreed. The entire premise was a wash for me. All the setups were just so silly, the constant pat you on the back lines, completely baffling deus ex machina usage (especially the music.) It goes way too far too often for suspension of disbelief. I just couldn't really appreciate this movie. So many are saying Into Darkness was worse but at least Khan was solidly developed comparatively.
thequestion
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Agreed. It was also a very dumb movie. I could feel my IQ dropping with every passing minute. It's the Transformers of Star Trek movies.
The best part of the movie was when they used 'Sabotage'. And that sequence, for a Star Trek movie, was incredibly silly and made me embarrassed that I payed money to see this crap.
And why the hell was Bones flying that ship? He's the greatest pilot the federation has, apparently. Damn, this movie.
AmaterasuOni
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This is strange, because Pegg is a huge nerd/geek. And it shows. Beyond's script is like an episode from the original show.
Well, this explains it all.
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