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[AbortedWalrusFetus]

but shouldnt spock have emerged from the same place that Nero did? which was around where romulus used to be right?

Spock's ship showed up 25 years later in time. Why would it show up in the exact same place as the other ship, but not the same time?

 

[Anerythristic]

Not a nitpick but a vent. The Romulan "mining vessel" was easily the worst ship design I have ever seen. It was designed to look scary with form and function thrown to the wind, I don't understand the octopus tentacles, it did not look Romulan in design at all.

Loved the movie.

 

[LCfiner]

I don't think that Spock's ship was supposed to be near the Kelvin encounter because the dude talking to Nero says "we've reached the coordinates you calculated" or something very similar.

so it's a new place. I just don't buy that it's anywhere near Vulcan for reasons I said before.

anyway, it's something that didn't bug me the first time since we're supposed to associate "lightning storm" with Nero's ship. but, like lots of elements in this script, if we start to ask detailed questions, things break down.

heh, still liked the movie. hopefully the sequel has a more solid script.

 

[Kintaro]

Not a nitpick but a vent. The Romulan "mining vessel" was easily the worst ship design I have ever seen. It was designed to look scary with form and function thrown to the wind, I don't understand the octopus tentacles, it did not look Romulan in design at all.

Loved the movie.

In addition to that, it was never shown in the best light to really see what it looked like. In most scenes, it was like this big claw blob thing.

 

[DarthWoo]

Not a nitpick but a vent. The Romulan "mining vessel" was easily the worst ship design I have ever seen. It was designed to look scary with form and function thrown to the wind, I don't understand the octopus tentacles, it did not look Romulan in design at all.

Loved the movie.

I haven't seen the comic, so I don't know what the ship was supposed to look like initially, but according to the Wikipedia entry for the prequel comic,

Spoiler

Nero's crew stole a bunch of Borg tech from a Romulan research facility after the destruction of Romulus, and had also assimilated several other ships from varying races prior to going into the past.

It's possible that it looked quite different before all that.

Edit: And a vent of my own: I saw the toy versions of the hand phasers a couple weeks before the movie and thought to myself, "jeez I hope they don't actually have this flipping barrel mechanism." Lo and behold, they do. Of course, the toy packaging says the settings are Stun and Vaporize, because you obviously can't have a kid knowing what Kill is.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

The death of George Kirk prevents Jim Kirk's brother from being born too, although I'm not sure if Samual Kirk is supposed to be older? I don't remember.

I'm not sure it's made clear in TOS whether he was supposed to be older or younger; Memory Alpha doesn't say one way or another.

It DOES have some interesting relevant information, though, about how the character was intended to be in the movie. That kid young Kirk yells to when he drives by? That was supposed to be Sam, but they cut out all his other scenes and dubbed in a different name for Kirk to yell, so it no longer is.

Who's to say it isn't the Mirror universe, eh? Maybe Spock grows a beard as a memorial to all his dead Vulcan homies. Maybe the Federation turns dark and evil during their military reprisal on Romulus for Nero's actions.

I know you're not exactly serious with this quote, buuuut in the series we've seen what's supposed to be the same Mirror Universe in the 21st, 22nd, 23rd, and 24th centuries. A bit different than the world of this movie.

I think the alternative timeline is a complete stroke of genius.

How many people would be worried about going to see a film with a forty year backstory? This means people can go, having seen Star Trek or not, and they can follow it perfectly. In two years they can go and see the next one.

You don't need to be invested in the franchise.

All of this would still be the case with a group of new characters, though. This movie takes place chronologically after Enterprise, but it doesn't matter if people don't even know of that show's existence to understand this movie. If they'd set a movie in 2450 based on characters of the Kelvin-B, they'd still have free reign. They could do anything with the characters, nothing would be expected, and the style of ships and interiors could be anything without clashing with existing material. And doing something like the destruction of Vulcan would be even more meaningful, since we wouldn't still have the old one left around in the previously established universe. If it was a well-made movie, it too would draw in the large non-Trekkie crowds this one is. Buuuuut JJ seems to love 80s-ish movie Trek, so this is what they went for.

only issue I have with the pre-ordained for greatness bit is it appears in this new timeline many of the events that shaped Kirks life never happened.

There is no Tarsus IV and Kodos The Executioner and things like that.I know its overly nitpicky but it just makes it too Pre-destined to be the Legend.

This. It should be surprising that he ends up anything like the other Kirk at all.

I don't know about no one knowing about Romulans. Pike said the planet's out there, meaning they probably even knew where it was.

There was supposed to be a war with the Romulans in the mid 22nd century, but without the Romulans using visual communication so they didn't know what they looked like. After that (in the Prime universe) they kept to themselves for about a century.

I always wanted to see a non-Starfleet Star Trek show, but that would make fan heads explode.

Ehh. Fans don't seem to have a problem with DS9, the show where half the characters aren't Starfleet. And it's not non-fans who have evidently made it profitable to have a series of books that focuses on a Klingon ship.

Question. Why does this film's time travel create an alternate reality but First Contact's didn't?

Because. Trek hasn't ever been consistent with this, so it's really a matter of author intent.

One interesting point about the new timeline: if (more likely when) we see Klingons in subsequent movies, I imagine they now have the freedom to make them look like whatever they want. Wasn't there some kind of bullshit explanation in a DS9 episode to explain why the Klingons in the TOS and TNG eras look so different? I kinda hated that they felt the need to retcon an explanation for what ultimately was just a special effect make-up decision, and whatever the reason they gave presumably needn't exist in the new timeline.

The DS9 episode where they went back and interacted with an old TOS episode briefly brought the issue up, because having Worf and 60s-style Klingons in the same room and not mentioning it would've been too weird. It was then Enterprise which had a two-parter in season 4 which explored the issue further, so that should still be the case in either universe. However, by the end of the Enterprise stuff it was basically left open that only some Klingons were affected and a fix (at least of a cosmetic nature) should be available in the future, so it's completely possible to interpret it as either a reason for the 60s-style Klingons or something that would've been taken care of near-immediately and still leaves the 60s-style Klingons just a makeup issue. Basically they left an out for anything between Enterprise and TNG to show Klingons either way and have it be acceptable.

2. It DID create an alternate universe. Enterprise hinted on this a bit, and the "Shatner-verse" books go all out. The attack by the Borg freaked out mankind, and that's what led to them becoming more militaristic and forming the Terran Empire, from the popular Mirror Universe episodes of TOS, and DS9.

It's worth noting that "Shatnerverse" episode was later contradicted by the Mirror Universe Enterprise two-parter--written by Shatner's own co-authors. In the Shatner books it's basically made to be that in one reality Cochrane decides to come clean about the Borg, so Earth and Vulcan become militaristic. In the Enterprise episode it's clear Earth has been that way for quite some time, and Cochrane leads an attack on the Vulcans when they land on Earth.

On another note... are Memory Alpha and other wikis now going to have to double up on their Kirk, Spock and other key crew member entries to reflect the "prime" timeline versions and the revised timeline versions? Oh what a tangled web...

Already happening. If you visit, say, the Kirk page, it will have a links at the top like "If you want the Mirror Universe version of James Kirk, click here." and now also has "If you want the version of James Kirk from the alternate reality caused by Nero, click here."

It would sound a bit cleaner if we had a decent short name for all these variations. I know the original was supposed to be "Prime" and that's how old Spock was credited in the movie, but for actual products releases they've gone with "Original Spock". I think I read somewhere on trekmovie.com that in some early lists the new universe was referred to as "Alpha", but I haven't seen that used again.

I'm going off of what we've been given. I'll assume that the newly designed Enterprise and Kirk being born in space were not affected by Nero's arrival until I see evidence to the contrary. Also another thing that doesn't seem to be affected by Nero's arrival: Stardates. They're different.

You could look at this one in different ways. After all, we only know of the fakey sounding Stardates going from TOS time through Nemesis time. Since this movie takes place before TOS with time travel from after Nemesis, it's possible the system changed during the unseen times. But I'm just taking that as a retcon we're not supposed to take too seriously, as a way of making things easier to understand. You or I may get the significane of the Jellyfish claiming to be from Stardate 64414.2, but for everyone else just saying something like 2387.24 makes sense.

I'm not going back through 4 pages of this, but are people bitching about the change to the phaser pistols?

What I was most surprised was that the way it flips around to have a different red or blue front was actually in the movie, and not just the toy's way of handling different settings.

That black hole and the destruction of the Kelvin was just the "out" the writers needed to make Kirk have the daddy issues they wanted him to have. to give him a simple character arc.

It's interesting to note that when asked about their favorite Star Trek books, one the writers mentioned was Best Destiny. I read this to see where they were coming from, and there's a book where a teenage Kirk has serious daddy issues with a live dad. He's basically pissed that he's away all the time and appears to love Starfleet more than his family.

Also, does the loss of Vulcan weaken the Federation against the Klingon Empire. I smell a sequel!

It's certainly a big blow to the Federation, but it's not like Vulcan was exactly cranking out a bunch of military equipment.

Nitpicking is all well and good, but this is the worst kind of semantic argument and no one can ever win.

That's what makes it a great topic for argument!

Nothing in Star Trek is just random writers? Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner wrote stories. My point isn't that they don't meticulously retain a consistent universe, but that they have always added to that. There wasn't ever a single vision for how things pan out. There should be no problem 'touching' the prime universe - every other movie has - what makes the new one so special that it shouldn't be allowed to?

There's nothing sacred that prevents adding something new. It's when things seem contradictory or changed without reason that we go cross-eyed.

Nitpick. When Uhura picked up the distress signals from the Klingons...did she just keep that information to herself or something before telling her roommate? It was certainly not known to Pike so I assume no one in Starfleet picked it up? Why the fuck would you keep something like that to yourself?

I didn't think she kept it to herself, it was just that pieces of information A, B, and C were clues that didn't end up in the hands of someone who would recognize them as a pattern until Kirk.

 

[BorkBork]

Another bit of nitpicking, but the red matter was originally used to turn the supernova into a black hole, correct? How would that save Romulus? They would have no sun, and no sun means instant negative two hundred degree temperature on everything in the solar system.

 

[DarthWoo]

Another bit of nitpicking, but the red matter was originally used to turn the supernova into a black hole, correct? How would that save Romulus? They would have no sun, and no sun means instant negative two hundred degree temperature on everything in the solar system.

I got the impression that it wasn't Romulus/Remus' star that went supernova, but that it was just a nearby star that was just having an extraordinarily large supernova. I think Spock mentioned that it was threatening more than just Romulus. He said that the destruction of Romulus was "unthinkable" probably implying that the supernova expanded more quickly than anyone anticipated.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Another bit of nitpicking, but the red matter was originally used to turn the supernova into a black hole, correct? How would that save Romulus? They would have no sun, and no sun means instant negative two hundred degree temperature on everything in the solar system.

I don't think it was the star specifically in the Romulus system that went nova, it was one elsewhere that just kept going and going (it wasn't a normal supernova). Depending on the direction it was coming from, it wouldn't necessarily have taken out the Romulus star first.

 

[Phoenix]

I personally think that the bridge design was more of an aberration than engineering with respect to design consistency. The shipyard, the shuttle bays, heck even the transport shuttle interiors look completely "contemporary naval". Only the bridge is white, glossy and smudge-free. They must have like ten officers just windexing that whole place every two hours... actually that's probably what those other extras were doing. :lol

I wasn't trying to say that the bridge fit more - just that there was a design disconnect between the two. They just didn't look like they fit together. I too agree that the bridge was the one that seemed to just be 'all over the place' from a design perspective.

One Star Trek design thing that I have never understood is why the helm and navigation functions sit and there is this whole army of people in the back standing around. This was personified more in TNG. Does being tired and pissed off from standing help your weapons officer fire better?

 

[LCfiner]

I also posted this in the official thread but it fits better here.

Real science gripes about Star Trek, by Discover Magazine

lots of stuff we've talked about and more that we haven't. (typical Hollywood, though.)

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/08/ba-review-star-trek/

 

[BorkBork]

I wasn't trying to say that the bridge fit more - just that there was a design disconnect between the two. They just didn't look like they fit together. I too agree that the bridge was the one that seemed to just be 'all over the place' from a design perspective.

One Star Trek design thing that I have never understood is why the helm and navigation functions sit and there is this whole army of people in the back standing around. This was personified more in TNG. Does being tired and pissed off from standing help your weapons officer fire better?

It looks cooler when consoles they're standing at explode and they get thrown all around.

 

[Fun Factor]

This thread needs to be bumped.

This is one of the worst movies in Trek history.

 

[BorkBork]

This thread needs to be bumped.

This is one of the worst movies in Trek history.

That's one of the worst nitpicks in this thread.

 

[DrForester]

This thread needs to be bumped.

This is one of the worst movies in Trek history.

 

[The Librarian]

This thread needs to be bumped.

This is one of the worst movies in Trek history.

It's not one of the worst, but there are better Trek movies out there.

 

[jett]

This thread needs to be bumped.

This is one of the worst movies in Trek history.

I thought this was the best movie in Trek history.

Then again I'm not a trekkie, so I guess this movie was made for the likes of me. I did enjoy TNG when I was a kid though.

 

[The Librarian]

I thought this was the best movie in Trek history.

Then again I'm not a trekkie, so I guess this movie was made for the likes of me. I did enjoy TNG when I was a kid though.

The plot and the villain keep this movie from being the best Trek movie.

 

[Fun Factor]

I thought this was the best movie in Trek history.

Then again I'm not a trekkie, so I guess this movie was made for the likes of me. I did enjoy TNG when I was a kid though.

You see I don't understand where this fun & exciting action this Trek movie is supposed to deliver that stands it apart from the other films?
The fight scenes & setups for them are so fucking lame that it could come out of any shitty Roland Emmerich or Micheal Bay summer movie.

The characters use one liners & cheap jokes to get laughs out of the audience. Completely unsatisfying resolution to the movie, villains & cheap DEM plot devices throughout.

Then there is there is the whole clusterfuck of the plot thing going on in the movie.

 

[karasu]

I thought they all did pretty good impersonations of the original cast.

 

[MisterHero]

The plot and the villain keep this movie from being the best Trek movie.

 

[VisionaryQuest0]

I've been meaning to ask, what episode is that from and what was the context? I laugh every time I see it.

 

[Fun Factor]

I've been meaning to ask, what episode is that from and what was the context? I laugh every time I see it.

Some gas or space beams makes the crew turn on each other & become all paranoid.

 

[The Librarian]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/DrForester/DaxSlap.gif[/i[/QUOTE]
Mind telling me why that is slap worthy?

 

[LCfiner]

The plot and the villain keep this movie from being the best Trek movie.

agreed. I really liked the movie but it's behind 3 or maybe 4 other ST films for me. Those two flaws are the main things holding it back.

 

[The Librarian]

agreed. I really liked the movie but it's behind 3 or maybe 4 other ST films for me. Those two flaws are the main things holding it back.

It's four other Trek films for me (though, I haven't watched them all in awhile): 2, 4, 6, and 8.

 

[MisterHero]

Mind telling me why that is slap worthy?

Sometimes I don't care about the villain. He'd be more important if he was the major threat of the movie. To me, Nero more represents "SHIT HAPPENS and we have to fix it before time is out!" than any meticulous attempt at villainy. The impact of his altering the timeline and the crew having to find themselves together was the priority of the story, in my opinion.

Being the Enterprise's first mission in this new continuity I wouldn't even expect him to be the the most cerebral or the most lethal (though killing 6 billion Vulcans is close I think).

The gif is just funny.

 

[DrForester]

Being the Enterprise's first mission in this new continuity I wouldn't even expect him to be the the most cerebral or the most lethal (though killing 6 billion Vulcans is close I think).

The gif is just funny.

6 billion is weak...

 

[Speculator]

In response to ppl complaining about Kirk's (or the filmmakers) obtuseness by jettisoning the door from his escape pod on the ice planet without caution or knowing the makeup of the atmosphere...just came back from my 2nd screening and the computer does label "Delta Vega(?)" a class M planet...means its habitable (to an extent).

 

[StUnNeR H2K]

The next film will be the true test... This film was great, but it's going to be extremely hard to follow. I think judging the characters and those who played them right now maybe a bit premature since they hand't fully come into the roles we remember them from originally.

Lets see if they call pull off a "Dark Knight" like sequel... if they can Star Trek will really have it made.

 

[Brannon]

True, M class is a liveable planet, but it seems the only qualification is not having the atmosphere destroy you in an instant.

 

[laserbeam]

The real nitpick with Delta Vega is its supposed to be outside of the Galaxy and it wasnt ice world!

They even said they picked it so Trekkies would be happy with it but its not the same planet!

 

[Phoenix]

True, M class is a liveable planet, but it seems the only qualification is not having the atmosphere destroy you in an instant.

Class M worlds just mean that you can breath the air and probably drink the water. These are planets suitable for colonization and can support a human colony without the need for domes, pressure suits, or frequent trips from food and water transports. Outside of that, a Class M world could be one big ball of ice, desert, or giant ocean.

Basic classes

Class-D small, rocky planetoid
Class-H generally extremely dry, sometimes habitable; breathable?
Class-J gas giant
Class-K uninhabitable environment but terrestrial gravity; breathable?
Class-L small, rocky terrestrial planet with O2-Ar atmosphere
Class-M Earth-like planet with O2-N2 atmosphere
Class-N environment for some Federation species

Full list and description

Star Trek Planet Classifications

In the fictional Star Trek universe the Planet Classification System is a system developed by the Federation to categorize planets by many factors, such as atmospheric composition, age, surface temperature, size, and presence of life. The planetary classes are designated by the letters A through Z (however U, V, and W are not used). Only a few have been mentioned in the Star Trek canon, the most common visited worlds being Class M or Earth-type planets for the obvious reason that advanced humanoid life will most likely exist there. There are three temperature zones within a solar system, and depending on the star's size, classification, and its energy output, these regions will vary in size:
The hotzone is nearest to the star, planets within this region absorb a tremendous amount of the star's direct energy, and are usually too hot to contain life.
The biozone (or ecozone), is at just the right distance from the star for planets to have temperatures that support most forms of life.
The coldzone is the region past the biozone, where planets are too far away from the star to support an ecosystem. These planets are usually frozen rocks or gas giant worlds.
In our real world (and present time), only 3 planet types exist, those of our own solar system: Terrestrial, Jovian and Icy
Class A Geothermal

Very young planets, Class A worlds are less than 2 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 1,000 to 10,000 km. They are located in the biozone or coldzone regions of a star's solar system. Their surfaces are partially molten and may feature active volcanoes. Their atmospheres, if any, are primarily hydrogen. Class A planets cool over time to evolve into Class C worlds. They almost never have life forms. Example: Gothos
Class B Geomorteus

Young planets, Class B worlds are less than 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 1,000 to 10,000 km. They are located in the hotzone region of a star's solar system. Their surfaces are partially molten and may feature active volcanoes with an overall high surface temperature. Their atmospheres, if any, are extremely tenuous, with few active gases. They almost never have life forms. Example: Mercury (Sol I)
Class C Geoinactive

Class C worlds range in age from about 2 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 1,000 to 10,000 km. They are located in the ecozone or coldzone regions of a star's solar system. Their surfaces are geologically inactive, with usually cold temperatures. Their atmospheres, if any, are usually frozen upon their surface. They almost never have life forms. Examples: Pluto (Sol IX), Psi 2000
Class D Asteroid/Moon

Most asteroids and planetoids fall under Class D. They are commonly found orbiting planets as moons. They range in age from about 2 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 100 to 1,000 km. They can be located in any temperature region of a star's solar system. Their barren surfaces are geologically inactive, covered with craters, and have normally freezing temperatures. Their atmospheres, if any, are tenuous. They almost never have life forms. Examples: Luna (Sol IIIa), Regula, Rura Penthe
Class E Geoplastic

Class E worlds are younger than 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 10,000 to 15,000 km. They are located in the biozone region of a star's solar system. Their surfaces are molten, and have high temperatures. Their atmospheres are primarily hydrogen with other reactive gases. Class E planets cool over time to evolve into Class F worlds. Life forms, if any, are Carbon-based. Example: Excalbia
Class F Geometallic

Young planets, Class F worlds range in age from 1 to 3 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 10,000 to 15,000 km. They are located in the biozone region of a star's solar system. Their surfaces are actively volcanic. Their atmospheres primarily contain hydrogen compounds. Class F planets cool over time to evolve into Class G worlds. Life forms, if any, are silicon based. Example: Janus VI
Class G Geocrystaline

Young planets, Class G worlds range in age from 3 to 4 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 10,000 to 15,000 km. They are located in the biozone region of a star's solar system. Their surfaces are still crystalizing. Their atmospheres contain carbon dioxide and other toxic gases. Class G planets cool over time to evolve into Class N, O or P worlds. Life forms, if any, are primitive single-celled organisms. Example: Delta Vega
Class H Desert

Class H worlds range in age from 4 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 8,000 to 15,000 km. They are located in the hotzone, biozone or coldzone regions of a star's solar system. Their surfaces are barren, hot, and arid, except in the coldzone where they can be covered with empty tundra. Their atmospheres may contain heavy gases and metal vapors. Life forms, if any, would have to be both drought and radiation-resistant flora and fauna. Examples: Rigel XII, Tau Cygna V, Ocampa, Nimbus III
Class I Gas Supergiant

Class I planets range in age from 2 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 140,000 to 10 million km. They are usually located in the coldzone region of a star's solar system, but can exist in any region. They are solid gas, tenuous, comprised mostly of hydrogen and hydrogen compounds, and may have water vapor as well. Temperatures vary in the cloud layers. They may contain a solid metallic mass core. They also radiate heat. A Supergiant can have hundreds of moons and also water ice rings. Life existing on a Class I is uncertain. Life forms, if any, have to exist in the biozone layers of the upper atmosphere. They may be single-celled organisms, or creatures and plants that would have to be constantly airborne. Example: Q'tahL
Class J Gas Giant

Class J planets range in age from 2 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 50,000 to 140,000 km. They are usually located in the coldzone region of a star's solar system, but can exist in any region. They are solid gas, tenuous, comprised mostly of hydrogen and hydrogen compounds, and may have water vapor as well. Temperatures vary in the cloud layers. They may contain a solid metallic mass core. They also radiate some heat. A Gas Giant can have dozens of moons and also water ice rings. Life existing on a Class J is uncertain. Life forms, if any, have to exist in the biozone layers of the upper atmosphere. They may be single-celled organisms, or creatures and plants that would have to be constantly airborne. Examples: Jupiter (Sol V), Saturn (Sol VI)
Class K Adaptable

Class K planets range in age from 4 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 5,000 to 10,000 km. They are located in the ecozone region of a star's solar system. They have rocky, barren surfaces with only trace amounts of water. Their atmospheres are thin, mostly carbon dioxide. Life forms, if any, are limited to single-celled organisms and algae. Class K planets are suitable for human colonization through terraforming. Examples: Mars (Sol IV), Mudd, Son'a Prime
Class L Marginal

Class L planets range in age from 4 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 10,000 to 15,000 km. They are located in the ecozone region of a star's solar system. They have rocky, barren surfaces with little water. Their atmospheres are oxygen/argon with a high concentration of carbon dioxide. Life forms, if any, are limited to plant life. Class L planets are suitable for human colonization with some terraforming. Examples: Indri VIII, Vaadwaur Prime, Borg Prime* Terrestrial planets conquered by the Borg are usually forcibly terraformed into Class L worlds as a result.
Class M Terrestrial

Class M planets range in age from 3 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 10,000 to 15,000 km. They are always located in the ecozone region of a star's solar system. Their surfaces are comprised with a relatively thin tectonic layer floating on a molten rock mantle, usually with active volcanoes present. Class M planets have an abundant amount of water necessary for life to exist. Their atmospheres contain oxygen/nitrogen with other trace gases. Life forms are almost always present, flourishing as extensive plant and animal life. Usually a sentient race is also present. Class M planets are also called Minshara Class, a Vulcan term. Planets with more than 80% surface water fall under Class O or Class P. Examples: Earth, Vulcan (40 Eridani A), Cardassia Prime, Risa, Bajor
Class N Reducing

Class N planets range in age from 3 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 10,000 to 15,000 km. They are usually located in the ecozone region of a star's solar system. Class N worlds are barren and rocky. Their surfaces temperatures are usually high due to an intense greenhouse effect. Water exists, but only as vapor. They have extremely dense atmospheres containing carbon dioxide and sulfides. Life forms, if any, would have to be extremely adapted to such a harsh environment. There may be single-celled organisms living in the upper layers of atmosphere. Example: Venus (Sol II)
Class O Pelagic

Class O planets range in age from 3 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 10,000 to 15,000 km. They are always located in the ecozone region of a star's solar system. Class O worlds have an extreme abundance of water covering more than 80% of their surface. They have Class M-like atmospheres, with oxygen/nitrogen and other trace elements. There is almost always life, however almost all of it is aquatic plant and animal life, with little land masses to evolve surface creatures. Sentient races evolving on such worlds may be aquatic in nature. Example: Argo
Class P Glaciated

Class P planets range in age from 3 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 10,000 to 15,000 km. They are usually located on the extreme edge of the ecozone region of a star's solar system. Class P worlds have an extreme abundance of water, however much of it is frozen in ice, covering more than 80% of the surface. They have Class M-like atmospheres, with oxygen/nitrogen and other trace elements. There is usually hardy plant and animal life surviving in the tundra. Examples: Exo III, The Breen homeworld
Class Q Variable

The environment of a Class Q fluctuates because they orbit an variable output star. These planets range in age from 2 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 4,000 to 15,000 km. They are usually located in the hotzone or ecozone regions of a star's solar system. Surfaces range from molten to water and/or carbon dioxide ice due to the variable output of the star they orbit. Their atmospheres range from tenuous to extremely dense. Life, if any, would have to rapidly adapt to sudden changes in temperatures. Examples: Genesis Planet, Remus (Romulus B)
Class R Rogue

Class R planets that do not orbit stars. They range in age from 2 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 4,000 to 15,000 km. Surfaces are usually barren however some may be temperate due to geothermal venting. Atmospheres tend to be filled with volcanic outgassing. They are not believed to support life, however some may have animal and non-photosynthetic plant life. Examples: Dakala, Founder's Homeworld
Class S and T Ultragiants

Class S and Class T planets are super gas giants. They range in age from 2 to 10 billion years old. Their diameters range in size from 10 to 50 million km (Class S) and 50 to 120 million km (Class T). They are usually located in a solar system's coldzone, however they can be in any region. Their surface is tenuous, composed of hydrogen, and hydrogen compounds. They radiate considerable heat and tremendous gravity. The atmosphere varies in temperature, pressure and composition at different layers. There may also be water vapor present. Life forms may only exist as single-celled organisms if any exist at all. They may have hundreds or thousands of moons, some of which may be terrestrial planets of Class M, O and P. Examples: N/A
Class X, Y and Z Demon

Classes X, Y, and Z are reserved for planets referred to as "Demon" worlds. They are usually hostile to humanoid life because they contain turbulent, sometimes volcanic environments with atmospheres filled with toxic and corrosive gasses. They range from 10,000 to 50,000 km in diameter, and can reside in any region of a star's solar system. They generate thermionic radiation, and exhibit very high surface temperatures. Life forms, if any, will probably be silicon based or mimetic in nature, as experienced on Demon class worlds of the Delta Quadrant. Example: Tholian Homeworld (Class Y)

 

[Fun Factor]

Another nitpick, why the fuck a drill & black hole???

Can't starships just scorch an entire planet? They pretty much do that regularly in the TV series. A few photon torpedoes in the atmosphere & all life is extinct on a planet.
Even in an Enterprise episode, they were testing there laser beam on a moon & it nearly sliced it in half & that was like a hundred years (?) before this timeline.

Why didn't the Romulan ship just unload on the planets & pretty much kill everything on it.
They instead have to freaking drill, DRILL, a hole to the center of the planet & drop red matter that will slowly create a black hole? WTF, it's like it's from a bad James Bond villain plot.

 

[Eteric Rice]

Another nitpick, why the fuck a drill & black hole???

Can't starships just scorch an entire planet? They pretty much do that regularly in the TV series. A few photon torpedoes in the atmosphere & all life is extinct on a planet.
Even in an Enterprise episode, they were testing there laser beam on a moon & it nearly sliced it in half & that was like a hundred years (?) before this timeline.

Why didn't the Romulan ship just unload on the planets & pretty much kill everything on it.
They instead have to freaking drill, DRILL, a hole to the center of the planet & drop red matter that will slowly create a black hole? WTF, it's like it's from a bad James Bond villain plot.

Because it's a mining ship? I dunno.

Also, black holes in the center of a planet > photon torpedos.

 

[Fun Factor]

Because it's a mining ship? I dunno.

Also, black holes in the center of a planet > photon torpedos.

A mining ship... that can take out 40 freaking Klingon Birds of Prey & every Startfleet ship thrown at it?

In fact, bah, why the hell did they stop attacking Earth & start chasing Spock?

Spoiler

They FIRST capture him & send him in a moon for him to watch his planet be destroyed. They then just up & leave him to do whatever, like mission accomplished no need to bother him anymore. Next off on their shit list: Earth.

Yet when they try to destroy Earth, they are dead set on killing young Spock, fire everything my ass.

 

[Jokergrin]

The real nitpick with Delta Vega is its supposed to be outside of the Galaxy and it wasnt ice world!

They even said they picked it so Trekkies would be happy with it but its not the same planet!

Alternate Timeline lol

 

[XiaNaphryz]

A mining ship... that can take out 40 freaking Klingon Birds of Prey & every Startfleet ship thrown at it?

Ship from the future probably helps somewhat. It's quite clear you didn't like the film compared to the general populace, so I doubt you're going to get anywhere here with everything mostly discussed already.

 

[Spotless Mind]

You see I don't understand where this fun & exciting action this Trek movie is supposed to deliver that stands it apart from the other films?
The fight scenes & setups for them are so fucking lame that it could come out of any shitty Roland Emmerich or Micheal Bay summer movie.

The characters use one liners & cheap jokes to get laughs out of the audience. Completely unsatisfying resolution to the movie, villains & cheap DEM plot devices throughout.

Then there is there is the whole clusterfuck of the plot thing going on in the movie.

Pretty much how i feel. I enjoyed a lot of the performances, but they were saddled with such a cringeworthy and mind numbing screenplay. It was seriously Transformers level dialogue.

 

[DarthWoo]

This is sort of off topic, but I was rewatching bits of Star Trek VI due to nostalgia, and I just had a huge nitpick about the final battle.

Why the heck were there no other ships around Khitomer while the Enterprise and Chang's Bird of Prey were duking it out? Here's a major peace conference with the dignitaries and leaders from several major empires, and there's no fleet orbiting the planet just in case? Even if nobody wanted to intervene in the fight, at least they'd be there to wonder why the heck torpedoes are flying out of nowhere at the Enterprise.

 

[Solo]

Oh god, as a non-ST fan (outside the new film), why did I enter this thread? :lol Now I know what a LOST or Star Wars or 24 thread must look like to an outsider!

 

[laserbeam]

About the earlier mention of the Mirror Universe. The Focal Point where the Mirror Universe turns evil is First Contact.

Picard and Crew basically are the ones who militarize the universe. Earth when they learn of the borg become very Militant and begin the Terran Empire to prepare for the day when they encounter the Borg.

 

[Silent Death]

It's not one of the worst, but there are better Trek movies out there.

There is only one Trek movie that is better, WoK. This movie soundly beats all other. Even First Contact, which people on this board seem to think it was the best thing since sex with a green chick.

 

[DrForester]

A mining ship... that can take out 40 freaking Klingon Birds of Prey & every Startfleet ship thrown at it?

In fact, bah, why the hell did they stop attacking Earth & start chasing Spock?

Spoiler

They FIRST capture him & send him in a moon for him to watch his planet be destroyed. They then just up & leave him to do whatever, like mission accomplished no need to bother him anymore. Next off on their shit list: Earth.

Yet when they try to destroy Earth, they are dead set on killing young Spock, fire everything my ass.

Oh that's easy. They not only had their drill destroyed before they could dig deep enough into Earth, Young Spock just ran off with the Red Matter.

 

[Freshmaker]

About the earlier mention of the Mirror Universe. The Focal Point where the Mirror Universe turns evil is First Contact.

Picard and Crew basically are the ones who militarize the universe. Earth when they learn of the borg become very Militant and begin the Terran Empire to prepare for the day when they encounter the Borg.

Hell of a retcon.

 

[Silent Death]

About the earlier mention of the Mirror Universe. The Focal Point where the Mirror Universe turns evil is First Contact.

Picard and Crew basically are the ones who militarize the universe. Earth when they learn of the borg become very Militant and begin the Terran Empire to prepare for the day when they encounter the Borg.

No you are wrong. In the Mirror Universe Cocrahn(sp) killed the Vulcans when they landed. Humans were violent and militaristic even before Vulcans showed up. First Contact had nothing to do with the Mirror Universe.

 

[DrForester]

About the earlier mention of the Mirror Universe. The Focal Point where the Mirror Universe turns evil is First Contact.

Picard and Crew basically are the ones who militarize the universe. Earth when they learn of the borg become very Militant and begin the Terran Empire to prepare for the day when they encounter the Borg.

That's the Shatner-verse explanation (And a good one I think) but hardly an official one.

 

[laserbeam]

That's the Shatner-verse explanation (And a good one I think) but hardly an official one.

Your right.

Thinking about it heres where the Mirror Universe may have split. Kirk saves Edith keeler and the Nazis win WWII and the rest is History.

 

[MC Safety]

This is sort of off topic, but I was rewatching bits of Star Trek VI due to nostalgia, and I just had a huge nitpick about the final battle.

Why the heck were there no other ships around Khitomer while the Enterprise and Chang's Bird of Prey were duking it out? Here's a major peace conference with the dignitaries and leaders from several major empires, and there's no fleet orbiting the planet just in case? Even if nobody wanted to intervene in the fight, at least they'd be there to wonder why the heck torpedoes are flying out of nowhere at the Enterprise.

Wasn't the location of the summit top secret?

I can't imagine having a huge fleet there would be conducive to a secretive meeting.

 

[DarthWoo]

Wasn't the location of the summit top secret?

I can't imagine having a huge fleet there would be conducive to a secretive meeting.

I don't know how secret it could be. Among the guests were the President of the Federation, Chancellor of the Klingon Empire, some Romulan guy, and a lot of top brass. There should at least have been the ships they came on there patrolling.