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[DeafTourette]

Good, someone did it

This has the same weird visuals/camera work I DETEST in Discovery. And it looks to be heavily "character relationship" focused instead of episodic and objective focused. So even more of what I don't want in Trek. SNW is about as far over in that direction as I can take. None of the characters are particularly interesting looking as well. Even stacking the cast with Holly Hunter, Paul Giamatti, Tatiana Maslani, and Oded Fehr ain't gonna help because all the new characters are the most punchable smug mofos I've ever seen.

Came back to say ....

That was DS9 almost 30 years ago

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Everyone involved in these recent series is a reprehensible human down to their core. I absolutely consider even Patrick Stewart to be worthy of that contempt, what a horribly empty man he became in his later years, and what a better mercy it would have been for his legacy if he'd died at 55 or 60.

This is a legitimate question but what do you find so reprehensible about Patrick Stewart? Is it because he's admitted socialist or something like that?

 

[Ozzie666]

Not interested in this one. However, I do enjoy Strange New Worlds.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

This is a legitimate question but what do you find so reprehensible about Patrick Stewart? Is it because he's admitted socialist or something like that?

Not particular political views, which are a given -- just how utterly vapid he became over time.

He was one of the main problems with the later TNG films, for what it's worth. Even in First Contact, the absurd action bits of him fighting the Borg queen in a physical little battle were mentioned as something he had pushed for in general, just as he pushed for more romantic content etc for his character (that horrific Insurrection film that committed the cardinal sin of letting actors drive it) etc. The sad realization I had to face long before STicard was that Stewart was once a phenomenal actor, but precisely because Picard is very much not him.

Star Trek: Picard's failures can be closely laid at his feet. He didn't want to return to the old character, the old scholarly diplomat; he wanted an adventure, something exciting, something that would shock or surprise a fan of the original. This is embarrassing, just as his acting on Picard was thoroughly discrediting. Even in Season 3, there were precious few moments where I would rate him as even passable, and he never can close to remembering his original character at all. I actually questioned if he was on the cusp of a Bruce Willis-like gradual dementia the whole time. Utterly awful that he put his failures on screen, we could have remembered him better.

 

[Avid Reading Horse]

Well I wish Patrick Stewart continued good health, but yeah he went to shit after TNG proper.

At least William Shatner never became the villain. In hindsight they should have killed off Picard in Generations and just had JTK take command of the Enterprise E

 

[Days like these...]

This literary genius's life's work is to destroy everything he touches. There aren't enough photon torpedoes in the Federation to match the damage Kurtzman, Abrams, and the rest of those idiots have inflicted on us and on the franchises we once loved.

I'm sorry I know this is waaaaaaay of topic but who the hell is cutting this man's hair. Fucking atrocious and unforgivable

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm sorry I know this is waaaaaaay of topic but who the hell is cutting this man's hair. Fucking atrocious and unforgivable

 

[jason10mm]

Came back to say ....

That was DS9 almost 30 years ago

Having started re-watching DS9, while they do have more of a focus on Sisko dealing with interpersonal squabbles, there is still an actual plot to each episode. Plus that show in particular was outside a lot of the Federation rules and customs, a far cry from the deck of a starship, the FLAGSHIP no less. TNG also had moments of interpersonal conflict and it was almost always a model for clear headed and rational resolution.

Then there is the INTRApersonal stuff, where every character shows up with 10 tones of personal baggage. It isn't just Troy with a controlling mom or Spock with a bit of cultural clash, it's a pilot who is borderline non-functional with blatant psychoses on display, WTF is that person doing flying the ship? Voyager was probably the most egregious example in "the old days" of a crew thrown together with vastly differing temperaments, backgrounds, and pre-existing issues, but even those guys seem like a harmonious family compared to a lot of the modern stuff.

I liked TOS, where the (original) doc is clearly an alcoholic but no one says anything about it because they are professionals

 

[Kadve]

Star Trek™: Starfleet Academy

There is a Place in the Galaxy where legends are born. WELCOME TO STARFLEET ACADEMY. Cap

www.gog.com

Really confused for a second...

 

[Lord Panda]

Dying at the female Jem'Hadar. You just know some melt decided this man-made species of drug-addicted Male soldiers needed female representation.

Jokes aside, I wouldn't be surprised if she and the other Jem'hadar no longer depend on ketracel-white (like in Star Trek Online). Which would go towards explaining why she has been hitting the Federation Buffets so hard.

 

[Facism]

Jokes aside, I wouldn't be surprised if she and the other Jem'hadar no longer depend on ketracel-white (like in Star Trek Online). Which would go towards explaining why she has been hitting the Federation Buffets so hard.

Yeh I feel like if it wasn't for the usual thoughtless slop that trek pushes these days.

its completely rational that the jem'hadar could be free of their need of the white to live, and that instead of being bred for war, growing from embryo to adult in a matter of days, genetically predisposed to violence and changling worship, that they've been re-engineered to breed and live like other humanoid species.

That would be great. Not holding my breath though, that it isn't just someone who decided the jem'hadar need women just because

 

[jason10mm]

Yeh I feel like if it wasn't for the usual thoughtless slop that trek pushes these days.

its completely rational that the jem'hadar could be free of their need of the white to live, and that instead of being bred for war, growing from embryo to adult in a matter of days, genetically predisposed to violence and changling worship, that they've been re-engineered to breed and live like other humanoid species.

That would be great. Not holding my breath though, that it isn't just someone who decided the jem'hadar need women just because

Now what would REALLY be funny is if she is only female for the first episode, then comes back as a typical male and everyone is like "WHOA, WTF?" and he is like, "Oh, that. Just a reaction to some bad clams I had at a rather sketchy Ferengi street cart a few weeks back. It's passed and I"m all better now."

 

[touchfuzzy]

Not particular political views, which are a given -- just how utterly vapid he became over time.

He was one of the main problems with the later TNG films, for what it's worth. Even in First Contact, the absurd action bits of him fighting the Borg queen in a physical little battle were mentioned as something he had pushed for in general, just as he pushed for more romantic content etc for his character (that horrific Insurrection film that committed the cardinal sin of letting actors drive it) etc. The sad realization I had to face long before STicard was that Stewart was once a phenomenal actor, but precisely because Picard is very much not him.

Star Trek: Picard's failures can be closely laid at his feet. He didn't want to return to the old character, the old scholarly diplomat; he wanted an adventure, something exciting, something that would shock or surprise a fan of the original. This is embarrassing, just as his acting on Picard was thoroughly discrediting. Even in Season 3, there were precious few moments where I would rate him as even passable, and he never can close to remembering his original character at all. I actually questioned if he was on the cusp of a Bruce Willis-like gradual dementia the whole time. Utterly awful that he put his failures on screen, we could have remembered him better.

There is one great scene where he actually acts like Picard, it's probably the best written and acted scene in all of nu-Trek period.

 

[JayK47]

Impossible to satisfy a trekky. But also, so much of the modern Trek is dreck. Strange New Worlds is ok, but has way too much romance in it. I actually enjoyed Lower Decks and was disappointed they stopped doing it. This latest Starfleet Academy looks like it will be worse than everything that has come before it, which is saying something. It looks like a shit cosplay in some fat nerds basement. I will watch it for a good laugh and wish there was a way to rate shows on Paramount +.

 

[jason10mm]

There is one great scene where he actually acts like Picard, it's probably the best written and acted scene in all of nu-Trek period.

It's a well written scene, let down by A. the changeling that SOUNDS like Beverly but is clearly 30 minutes past turning into oatmeal in a bucket, B. a Picard so old that discussions of fatherhood seem....misplaced, and finally, 3 the main culprit, a too close shaky cam and really awkward blocking requiring these two actors to stand really far apart yet also tilted ever so slightly to allow for over the shoulder shots. There is a reason why we have all those "your back is to me" personal conversations on TV, it's to allow for a nice steady camera yet also allow both actors to ACT, say their lines, allow the other actor to REACT, and the audience sees it all. The loss of the "this is a set and you are watching a play" atmosphere in scenes like this really hurt Trek, IMHO, because it's the actors and the reactions that sell the otherwise retarded gibberish they have to spout off. Outright breaking the 4th wall with just how silly Picards life is could have been an AMAZING bit of wordless reaction on Stewarts part, as he comes to grips with just how outlandish his existence is, and how very right Bev was, but it's hampered by the camera work constantly bouncing around like we are the third wheel crewmember in this scene, bouncing from foot to foot because we have to pee.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

There is one great scene where he actually acts like Picard, it's probably the best written and acted scene in all of nu-Trek period.

His acting isn't at its worst here, sure.

But I absolutely despise this plotline. The original relationship between Picard and Beverly always had Wesley as the elephant in the room. Over time, they developed that Picard had taken a kind of fatherly role towards him, but with a little bit of distance only because of how Wesley's father died under his command. It was like a surrogate fatherhood tinged with guilt.

To have Crusher have a son with Picard -- who worked so hard to be a kind of father figure to Wesley -- and then hide it from him is disgusting and reprehensible. It ruins her just as much as that godawful plastic surgery she screwed up her face with.

Then this nonsense of "if you're the son of Jean Luc Picard, you live with a target on your back." This isn't how things actually were on TNG. At all. This is some bizarre fan fiction. Picard went to conferences alone. He went to Risa alone. His life was safe. He was immensely respected even by some of the complex allies of the Federation who are suspicious of all other humans (for example: he was one of the most respected humans to the Klingon Empire). His one actual enemy on the show would be the single weird Ferengi who wanted revenge that Picard killed his son -- but not by killing Picard, actually by tricking him into thinking he had a lost son, the one thing that could really get to Picard!

Which was an episode worth remembering, because the whole plot of it started to reveal (much like Generations) that Picard was yearning for a family after Wesley's story, that he wanted to be a father after all. But all of that is thrown in the trash by this cheap need to have a big conflict between him and Crusher. Like everything on the show, it's written to get characters crying and shouting at each other, not written to actually respect the plotlines and arcs already established.

Or to be more precise, the only reason for the "Picard's son hidden by Crusher" story line is that they wanted to mimic Wrath of Khan here, very obviously, and that was the personal plot for Kirk. So they just said, whatever we'll do that again.

 

[taylor34]

This looks pretty bad. They just don't understand their consumer at all.

Lower Decks is the only thing they put out that actually seemed like true Trek ironically. Strange New Worlds is fine but this last season was awful starting with the space zombies.

It's like they've learned nothing from Discovery which fell off a cliff after not being completely awful the first season.

It seems like the entertainment industry in both movies and games is overran by people who don't know their consumer at all, at least in the US. Which is why some French studio with a low budget made the game of year because they actually made a game consumers want.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

I am kind of surprised that Star Trek is still going.

 

[xandaca]

Then this nonsense of "if you're the son of Jean Luc Picard, you live with a target on your back." This isn't how things actually were on TNG. At all. This is some bizarre fan fiction. Picard went to conferences alone. He went to Risa alone. His life was safe. He was immensely respected even by some of the complex allies of the Federation who are suspicious of all other humans (for example: he was one of the most respected humans to the Klingon Empire). His one actual enemy on the show would be the single weird Ferengi who wanted revenge that Picard killed his son -- but not by killing Picard, actually by tricking him into thinking he had a lost son, the one thing that could really get to Picard!

Thank you. I absolutely loathed this about Picard S3, on multiple occasions characters suggested that life on the Enterprise-D was like an action film (I haven't rewatched, but Shaw definitely does it at least once). I wonder how much of that is revisionism and how much the New Trek writers genuinely believe that's what the series was like - I bet a fair few of them have seen the high-profile action stories like Best Of Both Worlds and otherwise just refer to Memory Alpha - although Terry Matalas is reportedly enough of a fan to have surely known better. The idea that it was all assassins, grenades and non-stop life or death peril is absolutely antithetical to so much of what TNG represented (exploration, ethics, diplomacy, curiosity, etc) even if, being a genre show, it naturally went to the action well occasionally.

Which was an episode worth remembering, because the whole plot of it started to reveal (much like Generations) that Picard was yearning for a family after Wesley's story, that he wanted to be a father after all. But all of that is thrown in the trash by this cheap need to have a big conflict between him and Crusher. Like everything on the show, it's written to get characters crying and shouting at each other, not written to actually respect the plotlines and arcs already established.

It's so painfully obvious that the New Trek writers took Picard's line in Farpoint about wanting to stay away from children as gospel for his character (Picard S1 repeats it) even though his arc through TNG is, as you said, him gradually softening to the possibility of a life beyond duty and a desire to have a family. His interactions with Wesley were the start, but for me it really gets going in 'Family', when he reconciles with his brother and meets his nephew while trying to come to terms with the trauma of his assimilation, then develops further in Inner Light, Lessons, Bloodlines and Generations. It says so much about how New Trek can reference events from canon out the wazoo while being completely ignorant of the nuances and spirit which made Classic Trek and its characters so special. Picard S3 got so much praise at the time, even from people like Rob Burnett, who hates New Trek, and I remember wondering if I was mad for thinking it was making exactly the same mistakes as previous seasons, albeit not (quite) so egregiously as seasons 1 and 2.

 

[Mengy]

I am kind of surprised that Star Trek is still going.

In name only really, faithful Star Trek hasn't been made in a very long time. Although I do feel that SNW is sometimes a close approximation, and Picard S3 did feel like a decent endcap to old classic pre-Kurtzman Star Trek.

 

[taylor34]

And now we know why Star Trek and other shows have gone to crap:

https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-lost-generation/

Hiring not based on merit in the entertainment industry.

 

[jason10mm]

And now we know why Star Trek and other shows have gone to crap:

https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-lost-generation/

Hiring not based on merit in the entertainment industry.

They certainly tried to be progressive AF, which, looking back at TOS with Uhura, Chekov, Sulu, and some of their topics, is in the spirit of Trek. Problem is they forgot to make a show with compelling CHARACTERS and PLOTS. Uhura didn't run around complaining about her race or gender, and other than a few very specific cases which made in-universe sense (the Abe Lincoln meeting, for example) no one treated her any different than any other character whose primary job was to make the MAIN CHARACTERS look good. The writers knew to cloak much of the progressive focus in sci-fi trappings and they rarely engaged in blatant IDpol like is often the case now.

Now there were plenty of articles about the purge of white male writers in the recent few years, which means that experienced folks were getting drummed out in favor of inexperienced people of the favored skin color or gender(s). Now if those new folks actually brought in interesting perspectives to the job it would have been fine, but they DIDN'T. All they knew to write was their personal persecution due to their race or gender, their therapy sessions, and attempts to "get even" against their "oppressors". They didn't live interesting lives, didn't know interesting people, or have interesting stories to tell. It was IDpol over and over and over. And to the shock of NO ONE, the stories they crated were dogshit.

Despite what they say, none of these folk grew up on fantasy or sci-fi, they don't give a shit about these IPs, they seem them as a tool to get at an audience and then chisel away at it. You can see when the writers approach genre with love and you can see when it's just the set dressing added to their story of personal woe in order to secure funding.

 

[falconhoof]

And now we know why Star Trek and other shows have gone to crap:

https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-lost-generation/

Hiring not based on merit in the entertainment industry.

Time stamped



She talks about the modern writers room

 

[jason10mm]

Time stamped



She talks about the modern writers room

She certainly highlights that IDpol diversity is NOT a strength. Diversity of prior employment, yes. Diversity of education, yes. Diversity of upbringing, perhaps. But you need a 90% shared cultural pillar and just a littttttllllee extra flavor in there for efficient teamwork. For example, if you are writing a show and there is a military component/character, it REALLY helps to have a writer who was in the military themselves, or at least from a military family, to bring that proper perspective. Otherwise the military character is just a stereotype because that's all the other writers know. But that writer also needs to share a lot of other attributes with the rest of the writing team otherwise they just get marginalized and ignored because that's what ALWAYS happens when cultures clash.

 

[AJUMP23]

And now we know why Star Trek and other shows have gone to crap:

https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-lost-generation/

Hiring not based on merit in the entertainment industry.

What do you mean "now" You had to have your head in the sand to not see it happening. I work in an industry that spoke about nothing but minority retention and hiring. Whole departments dedicated to race based policies.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

 

[Lord Panda]

Sod off, that can't be real. I refuse to believe that's real.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Wow, all I see here are heterosexual relationships.

 

[falconhoof]

I had a quick scrub through their premiere stream.

I like how the head writer went straight to talking about the haters.

 

[AJUMP23]

It looks like utter trash. And the marketing is terrible. I doubt Paul Giamatti can save this.

 

[Mengy]

Sod off, that can't be real. I refuse to believe that's real.

Sadly, it is all too real. I feel so bad for my beloved Star Trek.

A new official trailer came three days ago and it only has 65K views, I don't think there's much hype for this show at all!




The comment section is priceless though!!!

 

[jason10mm]

All I got out of that premier is that GOD DAMN has Strange New Worlds been underutilizing the Uhura actress's, uh, deflector shields!

and good grief, is Holly Hunter a midget?

there is like a foot height difference between her and the Lower Decks VO chick.

About the only thing in Academy that stirs ANYTHING in my cold dead heart is this girl, though she throws out the same girlboss nonsense they all do.

whatever race she is, I hope those DSL's are a core feature

Ahh, I"m just being mean. This show is soooooo clearly "not meant for me" that I'll just totally ignore it. I've no doubt that the hundreds of millions spent on it and all those "man in charge" scripts they tossed in favor of this will be totally rewarded by the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of diverse new fans they will get...right, RIGHT?!?!?

 

[Warspite]

Sod off, that can't be real. I refuse to believe that's real.

No seriously that cant be real.

 

[negator2vc]

Sadly, it is all too real. I feel so bad for my beloved Star Trek.

A new official trailer came three days ago and it only has 65K views, I don't think there's much hype for this show at all!




The comment section is priceless though!!!

Amazing, they didn't even bothered to fix the aspect ratio of the older series they injected at the end of the trailer.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[Lord Panda]

A bit late Elon - we've already made those jokes a million times

 

[clarky]

Sadly, it is all too real. I feel so bad for my beloved Star Trek.

A new official trailer came three days ago and it only has 65K views, I don't think there's much hype for this show at all!




The comment section is priceless though!!!

"Safe Space 9" lmfao

 

[AJUMP23]

Anyone watch this yet?

 

[clarky]

Anyone watch this yet?

Killing myself is higher on my list of to do's.

 

[AJUMP23]

Killing myself is higher on my list of to do's.

I haven't watched it wither I just want to know how you suffered.

I guess they are trying to target ST to the kids.

 

[clarky]

I haven't watched it wither I just want to know how you suffered.

I guess they are trying to target ST to the kids.

Suicide by Nu trek, a fate worse than death.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Does anyone know why they've made 14 new Star Trek shows since Discovery?

They must be working right? People are subscribing to Paramount because people like Star Trek: Glee?

 

[jason10mm]

I just saw a clip where some recruit (a tubby one, of course) comes up to Picardo and says "I think I swallowed my com badge!". Then he admonishes another cadet for getting what sounds like space herpes.

If he's a prominent character and keeps it up, I might watch the show just for him.

 

[clarky]

Does anyone know why they've made 14 new Star Trek shows since Discovery?

They must be working right? People are subscribing to Paramount because people like Star Trek: Glee?

14? You jest sir.

 

[Saber]

Anyone watch this yet?

No but I watched a video with a veteran whos supposely got the first look and it and...well its kinda of surreal.
I dont even think kids would watch this crap honestly.

 

[jason10mm]

14? You jest sir.

If you count by season, we have Strange New Worlds x3, Picard x2-3 (when did that start?), Lower Decks x4, Section 31, now this...he's not far off.

 

[Z O N E]

90210 in space.

 

[clarky]

If you count by season, we have Strange New Worlds x3, Picard x2-3 (when did that start?), Lower Decks x4, Section 31, now this...he's not far off.

The last season of Picard was ok I guess. Not worth the suffering through the TV version of AIDS that was the first two season though.

I want to get home from work at 6pm and stick and episode of Buffy in the wank bank then watch the TV genius that was TNG. Is that too much to ask?

 

[AJUMP23]

Suicide by Nu trek, a fate worse than death.

Sounds about like the worst way to go.

 

[Revolutionary]

Does anyone know why they've made 14 new Star Trek shows since Discovery?

They must be working right? People are subscribing to Paramount because people like Star Trek: Glee?

The Alex Kurtzman (Star Trek producer) mentality is quantity over quality. Even a Star Trek feature film starring an Academy Award winning actress ends up being this pile of shit:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9603060/

All nuTrek is basically just more content for Paramount+ to endlessly advertise, but the actual viewership is very low.